oh please. it isnt that they are 3 days old, its that Blizzards definition of a "subscriber" is different to the notion of someone who is currently playing the game. but you know that, i suspect, and you are just trying to cloud the issue. you picked up on a statement without facts to support it, and responded without any facts to support your response. i called you out on it. suck it up and accept it.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
If you read what i said i said "people" as in actual human beings, not subscribed accounts. There are less than 10 million HUMAN players and we know this because ppl have multiple accounts, some 2 some 3 some 10 some 40.
your wrong. Its impossible for the game to have 10 million people. players have multiple accounts therefore there are less than 10 million ppl playing. When Wow has 9 million subs it will still have less than 9 million players for the exact same reason. Subs =/= People.
Subs = Active accounts under blizzards multiple definitions.
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Not counting subs from Asia sounds dumb to me, why shouldn't they? Without those subs the game wouldn't be at 10m subs, not even half of it.
even with private servers which is very small amount of ppl thats still not going to get you to 10 mil. I dont know the % of ppl with multiple accounts but one of my friends used to have 4 but closed one down i believe and i think he only has 3 right now. Then you got the multi boxers and the botters so yea theres prolly as many ppl on private servers as their are ppl with multiple accounts that are active.
If someone has multiple accounts, each account counts as one subscription I'm sure because each account brings in $15 (US that is). Why wouldn't multiple accounts owned by one person be counted as multiple subscriptions. The issue is the number of subscriptions not the number of players. That would seen obvious.
Activision/Blizzard is a public company regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission and all sorts of US and international laws. Obviously private (illegal) servers aren't counted. Every real account is counted even if someone owns multiple accounts. Your post is simply wrong and quite juvenile.
I love how an 8 year old game can sell more copies of an expansion in 24 hours then any other MMO has subscribers and we can still have a debate about whether or not the game is dead.
WoW is doing just fine.
my post was responding to another post. Jumping in mid convo and criticizing me for somthing when you didnt read the entire couple of posts is juvenile. Read who i was quoting and then what my response was.
i love how no one in this thread mentions WoW being dead except for posters like you who continue to bring up the fact that ppl are saying its dead. Ive seen maybe 1 poster here back in prolly the first 10 pages say that this 2.7 mil decline shows WoW is dead. No one else has even come close to saying that. All we said is that its not a good thing. There have been prolly 10+ posters who have come here and said basically what you are saying.
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If you haven't seen anyone mention or question whether WoW was dying, then I would say you are extremely new to these (or any World of Warcraft Forums). That said, you have nearly 1,000 posts on these forums which makes me wonder how it is possible that you can't remember anyone debating whether or not this game is dying. But yeah, if you really need it, let me know. I'll link you some threads from posters who aren't like me that are discussing WoW being dead.
I don't get it, were you really doubting that the game was/is doing fine? Of course the game is doing just fine. Every WoW fan should know that and if someone said that the game is dead then you should simply ignore and move on. The game can't die over the course of 1 expansion, it's just to big and has to many players to do that.
"Sold more copies then any other MMO's" Well, duh. It had 9.1m subs before MoP, think about it.
However, the game is slowly declining and that's understandable for a game which has been out for 8 years.
Why am I back here, I don't even play these games anymore
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top notch response. first of all, you were the one saying that 10 million people were playing right now, and that the 10 million number was proof of that. i proved that was wrong, using Blizzards own definition of what constitutes a "subscriber". if you cant accept that, its your problem. it doesnt make it bullshit, it just makes it something that you have decided to ignore by sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalala, im not listening".
as for the "go back to school" part, that did give me a chuckle. i know what constitutes a fact. you seem to think that not agreeing with your view means it cant possibly be a fact. who needs to relearn the meaning of fact?
oh, and you finish up with the "fact" that i have predicted the death of WoW a thousand time. i think you will find i havent done that once. feel free to check my post history. hyperbole and lies isnt a strong way to finish your post, i have to say.
oh, and if you do respond to this, see if you can manage it without insults and swearing. its the adult way to discuss things, you know.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
so you will ignore my entire post explaining why the subscription numbers dont tell us how many people are playing, because of that one sentence? you have over eight thousand posts on this forum alone, and you havent come across anyone using an extreme example of a situation to drive home a point? i dont believe that, you dont believe that, at this point what you are doing is "clutching at straws".
i never said that i thought for 1 second that is actually did include 9 million people in that situation. i just pointed out that if it did....WE WOULDNT KNOW. which would make any reasonable person accept that you cant use subscription numbers to calculate how many people are playing. i guarantee you that noone working in Blizzard would do that.
and again you fall back on the "adult discussion" commment. while you swear and rant at me. do you even appreciate the irony of that?
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
....and it doesnt tell us that people included in that report had already left when the report was made. because of the way they do their counting. so we agree that the number is extremely flawed, in several ways. as i said earlier, it astounds me that this is the ONLY subscriber details that Blizzard gives its investors. if i were an investor i would be asking for a lot more, because that number is no use at all. after all, if someone quits on the 1st January, they dont show as a fall in subscriber numbers until july, when they publish the second quarter figures. crazy, imo.
(although, interestingly, if someone joined on 31st March, then they would show as an increase for 1st quarter. increases appear immediately, decreases can take 6 months to show through. do you see now why i dont think people should be relying on this number for their arguments?)
not me. i am well aware that publishing false information in published reports can lead to prosecutions. it doesnt guarantee the number is correct, but it would be a foolish thing for a company to fabricate this kind of information.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams