He obviously doesn't understand that every race has a role to play.
If the Night Elves were defeated during the first invasion = Burning Legion wins.
If the Horde defeated the Humans during the First War = Burning Legion wins.
If the Pandaren do not show that Alliance and Horde need to have peace between each other = Burning Legion Wins.
Like I said, I think Pandaren are a wonderful race, but I haven't played Warcraft for the past 16 years to culminate my journey alongside its heroes with a huge kum-ba-ya sing-a-long around a campfire while I "discover myself" and "why I fight".
I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.
An entire city slaughtered and I'm supposed to care about pandaren mystical evil force problems?
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I've been here 16 years, too, and yet, I disagree. I think learning "Why we fight" is an excellent lesson to learn considering the Burning Legion are getting ready for Round 4, according to Wrathion.
Without the allegiance of the Horde, you will fail in your future wars against the Legion and the Old Gods. Your hatred of the Horde has blinded you to the bigger picture. This was the entire theme of Warcraft III, and it seems, people like you need to be reminded of that lesson. Xilurm seems to understand this, I seem to understand this, quite a few people in this thread seem to understand this. Why don't you understand this?I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.
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Honestly im suprised at how well they fit in the lore, their lore is very well written, at first i was very skeptical about the race but they've grown on me now.
[Spoilers!] Jaina still wants peace, she just can't see peace happening with garrosh as leader of the horde, she was origananlly going to destroy org but kalecgos stopped her from doing that now she is alot calmer, but still commited to removing garrosh from power rarther than mass-genoicde.
Well the perhaps Medivh was WRONG, and the world, this world, still needs Guardians, and always will. Perhaps it is time for the council of Tirisfal to be re-created and perhaps it was a wrong move for the Aspects to give away their immortality.
Arthas was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the Ashbeinger, a Naaru within a blade. Azeroth's heroes were on the verge of becoming the Lich King's most powerful lieutenants.
Deathwing was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the ultimate powers of the Aspects.
Yogg'Saron was defeated with the help of his four Guardians, invested with titan powers.
Perhaps all this happy happy tree shit about the future resting in mortal hands is just happy happy tree shit.
Archimonde was defeated by the Night Elves also sacrificing their immortality.
So far, humanity 0, otherwordly powers 4.
....and leave the pandarens, to their pandaren'ing:
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No, Medivh was right. We, the players, are the guardians and stewards of Azeroth now. We are the ones who have been on the front lines since WoW began.
If you recall, Tirion was a popsicle for most of that fight. The only thing he and the Ashbringer did was to destroy Frostmourne. We, the players, held Arthas off for most of that fight, and we were the ones to land the killing blow.Arthas was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the Ashbeinger, a Naaru within a blade. Azeroth's heroes were on the verge of becoming the Lich King's most powerful lieutenants.
Without us, Thrall never would have gotten a clean shot. Without us, the Aspects would have been killed by Ultraxion while they worked their ritual. Without us to distract Deathwing, the Aspects and Thrall would have been destroyed by the second Cataclysm.Deathwing was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the ultimate powers of the Aspects.
Without us, those four Watchers would have remained under Yogg-Saron's influence. Without us to fight him, the Watchers would have been re-enslaved during that fight.Yogg'Saron was defeated with the help of his four Guardians, invested with titan powers.
And Malfurion would never have had the chance if the Alliance and Horde hadn't stalled the Legion's advance up the summit of Mount Hyjal.Archimonde was defeated by the Night Elves also sacrificing their immortality.
Or perhaps you willfully ignore the most important details of all of those encounters in order to make your skewed point.Perhaps all this happy happy tree shit about the future resting in mortal hands is just happy happy tree shit.
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No, without these godly powers we as mortals would never have been able to finish the fight. We may be Gandalf's hobbits but Minas Tirith was saved by an army of undead, the Balrog was pushed back by magic and the Ring was destroyed by mortals even though it was the Ring's otherwordly powers which at times saved these mortals from failing their mission.
We are glorified vessels, nothing more. We are not capable of finishing a fight to save our lives, that is the job of gods and demigods. So let us war then.
It works both ways which seems to be the point you are ignoring. Without us, those "gods and demigods" would have lost. To use an NPC example, Thrall is a mortal, and without him, no one would have been able to wield the Dragon Soul. Tirion was also a mortal, and without him, no one could have wielded a purified Ashbringer. And now, as we square off against our own negative emotions made manifest through the Sha, Wrathion will equip us with Legendary weapons of our own.
As for your Lord of the Rings example, the final book is all about how necessary it is for Men to unite under the King in order to defeat Sauron. And, more importantly, without Frodo, the Ring would never have been destroyed. You are glorifying one side of the coin without acknowledging the importance of the other side.
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The Pandaren fit perfectly into World of Warcraft.
op clearly hasnt actually quested through pandaria. the pandaren arent against war there against war without purpose there against hatred and violence they will fight but not for those reasons.
the horde and alliance are fighting this war over resources they want to go into pandaria and tear it to pieces that is made evident in garoshes orders. in 5.1 the alliance and horde warships will show up on the beaches of pandaria and jade forest will literally get destroyed in the battle.
varian will be give the high trials by the leader of each race of the alliance and they will name him their king. similar to the trials of Heracles. garrosh in order to try and turn the tides of war will do unspeakable things that makes even the horde turn against them.
at the end of mists varian will lead an army of alliance soldiers and horde rebels and dethrone garrosh then if things go out as wrathion keeps hinting the burning legion or some other dark force will attack us and -hopefully- illidan comes back along with turalyon and alleria and we stand united against the legion @_@
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With would Illidan stand with us, he's been banished by his brother and forsaken by the people he's saved, labeled as a traitor of his race simply because he used demonic powers to defeat demons.
He's a martyr.
If anything Maiev might make a reapearance, although I never truly understood where she gets her powers from to challenge Illidan so boldly at all times. Perhaps they'll give us a Warden class with increased lore surrounding it, after all they made an appearance in Cataclysm.
Although mages would cry havok to another class having Blink.