Originally Posted by
twistedmynd
Mrhavoc12: do not be offended
I was pointed to this thread from the US forums thread (us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6413263607?page=16#315) because of the points you were making, and you called out my video (this video: youtu.be/4HpPUm2XRLY).
Discrediting my entire point because I didn't model penance in my rotation really hurt my feelings, so let me personally correct that for you, or others closely following your posts:
Without making any changes to int, spellpower, mastery, haste, crit, or any other variables in my original video, I'm going to remodel several archangel "rotations"
-(my video demonstrated this) PoH Spam, with no archangel or evangelism: 98,110 hps
-(my video demonstrated this) PoH spam during archangel, PoH spam, 1 holy fire (at 4 stacks evangelism), and 4 smites: 95,263 hps
-using PoH spam during archangel, and building evangelism outside of it with 1 holy fire, 1 penance, 3 smites (in that order to maximize hps): 97,166 hps
-using Holy Fire during archangel and off cooldown, PoH spam during archangel between holyfire, 1 penance soon as archangel drops, and 1 penance at 30.75 seconds in to get to 5 stacks evangelism: 96,182 hps
-using only holy fire and penance on cooldown (total of 3 hf, 2 pen. 2 hf and 2 pen during AA) and poh spam: 97,597 hps
-AA, Pen, HF, 4xPoH, Pen, HF, AA ends, 4xPoH, Pen, 1xPoH: 96,060 hps
What this tells me is that no matter how you model it, you will be at a loss of sustained healing per second if you use archangel rotationally. That and building evangelism should never be done during an archangel, however I would take the small hps loss and build stacks during archangel because waiting until the cd is over to do those spells puts a lot of stress on the other raid healers.
Speaking of those other raid healers, I also posted my the same gear with different classes' aoe rotations here: us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6413263607?page=16#320
Basically, aside from me needing more up to date monk numbers, the healing classes are more balanced and equal than any other expansion release in terms of healing per second.
The logs being linked have nobody supporting them or talking about the decisions they made with spell choices/raid strategy. Generalizations in this thread that are not being backed up mathematically at all. At best, majority of the information being presented here is educated speculation.
So I largely disagree with your rationalization that disc is somehow in a bad place. I'll agree that many abilities clash, but this is because they are not supposed to be stacked up in a sort of rigid rotation for max healing per second.
If you're doing things like:
-working archangel into your rotation and on cd
-maintaining evangelism
-proccing rapture on cd
-using penance on cd
-using inner focus on cd
-using prayer of mending on cd
-maintaining renew on the tanks
-using spirit shell on cd
-making 100% sure not to overlap cd's with spirit shell running
-gaming surge of light procs or borrowed time procs
-fitting in mindbenders or pw:solaces
And struggling from trying to juggle so many things, then stop trying to juggle so many things! It's a very slight dip in healing per second and healing per mana to be flexible with all these many cooldowns. Healers are not dps classes, so why are you playing like one?
Being flexible and adapting to what the situation calls for is what being a priest is all about. Strict rotations (fluid-ness) are for the other healing classes.
"Basically you are constantly bleeding efficiency through clashes in your CDs and that is just frustrating." Don't think of it that way. You can only manage so much before you completely lose any freedom in your spell selection (and even all that is subject to your haste levels). Adjust to the encounter.
-Is my tank about to get wasted? PW: Shield, Innerfocus Gheal, then Spirit Shell.
-Is my raid about to get damaged? Spirit Shell
-Is my raid taking damage? Prayer of Mending, Spirit Shell, Archangel burst if needed
-Is my tank bleeding out damage? Rapture, keep up grace, keep up renew, penance on cd, inner focus on cd, use divine insight and strength of soul if necessary
-Are 2 tanks taking damage? Mending Between them, get renew on both, keep grace on both
-No damage going out? do smites, offensive penance, holy fires, and pw:solace if you took it
-Random damage going out? spot heal with penance, your big 3 heals, and bubble people who are low (you're going to take a hps hit here, but that's okay as long as people are staying alive)
Hopefully this wall of text cheers some people up. Your class isn't broken, and disc is extremely powerful in capable hands.