HoTW hidden nerf

[Maelstrom51]

Paragon got world first 6/6 heroic Vaults by using four feral druids using Heart of the Wild. You didn't expect it to get nerfed after that?

[teddabear]

First of all raidbots doesn't compare classes... It compares specs (there are 23 dps specs). Second their overall dps for 10N currently shows Moonkins on 7th and Ferals on 9th place. See what I did? Statistics are not easy to understand and raidbots isn't the ultimate authority in statistics about raid dps of specs.

If you look at Paragon's screenshot you'll notice Lappé (Moonkin) and Sejta (Guardian). I don't know the other 2 Druids but I bet at least 1 of them is Resto. So it's probably not only about DPS.

In other words you are agreeing that Feral DPS is poor right now. So Blizzard is going to nerf HotW and make it even worse.

[xrayEU]

Paragon got world first 6/6 heroic Vaults by using four feral druids using Heart of the Wild. You didn't expect it to get nerfed after that?

Paragon didn't have any feral driuid on the last fight, they had 2 Balance and 2 Guardian.

[dancm]

In other words you are agreeing that Feral DPS is poor right now. So Blizzard is going to nerf HotW and make it even worse.

I didn't agree with anything you said. Your problem is you like to assume things the way you actually like them to be.

[mikoslav]

Paragon didn't have any feral driuid on the last fight, they had 2 Balance and 2 Guardian.

from what I ve seen on their kill video, they used typhoon a lot, even the guardians, so druids seem to be perfect for high end raiding encounter mechanics, also if current talent system (typhoon for all specs), Paragon would not spend that much time at rag HC as well...

[teddabear]

Your problem is you like to assume things the way you actually like them to be.

No idea what this means.

The correct fix would have been to nerf caster weapons for DPS using HotW. Give Blizzard's history of never admitting their mistakes, if they eventually realize this they will then nerf caster weapons without reverting the ill considered changes to HotW.

[Bigzumzah]

It kind of falls in line with how Druids use to be. Back in the olden days Druids were a jack of all trades that was mediocre at everything/best at nothing. Now we have pure specs that are somewhat competitive. A talent that makes you a hybrid is what it is.. Doing some rudimentary math, it doesn't seem like the nerf is that bad. We found a way to significantly boost the damage more than it was intended to do by equipping a caster weapon and blizz responded to balance it back out. All this does is make the talent even more reliant on a weapon. If anyone should QQ, it's casters since we are going to be rolling on their weapons because its technically in spec.

[teddabear]

It kind of falls in line with how Druids use to be. Back in the olden days Druids were a jack of all trades that was mediocre at everything/best at nothing. Now we have pure specs that are somewhat competitive. A talent that makes you a hybrid is what it is.. Doing some rudimentary math, it doesn't seem like the nerf is that bad. We found a way to significantly boost the damage more than it was intended to do by equipping a caster weapon and blizz responded to balance it back out. All this does is make the talent even more reliant on a weapon. If anyone should QQ, it's casters since we are going to be rolling on their weapons because its technically in spec.

Blizzard has been changing mechanics to prevent even miniscule DPS gains from weapon swaps for quite a long time now. Now all of the sudden they nerf the coefficient by 40% instead of nerfing the weapon swap?

[Bigzumzah]

was just derping around on a training dummy... im not sure if the HotW nerf was that bad... i mean its not insanely OP like before but static for 6 mins on a dummy its doing slightly more than DoC (not executing perfectly but who is?) ... and im reforged into mastery

[baller1308]

My wrath's seem to be hitting for about 15% less now after the realm reset today. Maybe it's just me.

[Deleted]

My wrath's seem to be hitting for about 15% less now after the realm reset today. Maybe it's just me.

eu servers got hotfixed today. spell damage bonus reduced from 500% to 320%.

[Deleted]

Yes it was Heart of the Wild. My mistake for not spelling it out. But damnnnn Blizzard, they nerfed the s**t out of it. Its completely useless now. The numbers don't lie.. Its a shame that these nerds at Blizzard have to hide it.

---------- Post added 2012-10-07 at 06:04 PM ----------

But I don't understand why they don't just acknowledge it in the hotfixes. Why lie about it. 30% less damage then it used to do is a HUGE nerf for a 6 min CD..

It was fucked up. Now it's not. Good change. Ituhippi approves. Huk!

[Deleted]

rip! hotw will be missed.

[mikoslav]

Being a boomkin, in order not to bury HotW as a not-viable raiding talent, I d like to see some buff for it, for example I d love to see tranquility CD reset when I use HotW to go resto for 45 secs. maybe, it would be a bit OP to be able to use tranquility 2 times during a raid, but hey, HotW looks less and less attractive now, so why not buff it in this way?

[Bigzumzah]

Got a couple pieces of gear last night, including the raid finder polearm.. Imma do the dummy test again to see if DoC pulls ahead now. My theory is that HotW is going to be very weapon reliant. Using a 463 spell staff if only going to go so far and I'm sure my guild won't appreciated me begging for caster staves anyway. On a side note.. I noticed that beside wrath, shred was next for damage done (22%ish) followed close by melee (22%ish) and rip dot was about 18%... Is this normal? It was on the spirit binder fight; I was #2 on dps for the fight, on a hunters heels for 1st.

[Heywes]

Personally I thought and still think a spell like this was a step in the wrong direction. If they wanted to let druids do multiple rolls, Why in hells name did they split up the feral tree.

Where is mah like button!

[Ebbikenezer]

Fucking nerds at Blizzard. Trying to balance the game again, GOD DAMN IT!

LMAO, so funny...... reading forums about WoW will make me laugh 98% of the time. The amount of crying that people do when something broken and exploited gets fixed is absolutely astounding.

[Deleted]

rip! hotw will be missed.

Don't be too quick to judge, it's still hitting around 120-150k normal hits on bosses, if my trinkets proc agi it goes up to about 170-180k and crits are still over 300k, it's still a very healthy burst for fights like elegon.

[Deleted]

Its just sad to see that they bring an awesome talent and then nerf it to the ground because they cant design it better. Thats just how wow is i guess:/

[Peacemoon]

With the kind of damage that is being reported it makes you wonder how this was overlooked during the whole of beta? Seemed everyone was all over Dream of Cenarius just because it was all the talk, and people wrote off HoTW without even trying it. I always thought it sounded powerful (and great utility).