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    Dream Paragon now downs Elegon 10m Heroic

    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...-blade/Paragon

    Either they are an even more exceptional guild as 10m.

    Or perhaps the 10m/25m balance is still very flawed...

    But perhaps both

    Regardless, gratz to them. A world first is a world first. Would not be surprised to see the raid get cleared very soon.

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    Well.. The only guild at 5/6.
    The other 25 man is 3/6.

    THE NEXT 10 man is 2/6. So i dont think its easyer.

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    The elite of the elite in a 10 man group, boosted by their old members to great gear. Not surprised, but of course still very impressed.

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    Fuck me, im still wiping on 10 elegon normal lol.
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    25 man guilds goes 10 man.

    5/6 while 10 man guilds are 2/6.

    10 mans where never the issue, 10 man guilds were.

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    wonder if they are trying it on harder hard mode version of the last fight??

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    Grats to them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdonde View Post
    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...-blade/Paragon

    Either they are an even more exceptional guild as 10m.

    Or perhaps the 10m/25m balance is still very flawed...

    But perhaps both

    Regardless, gratz to them. A world first is a world first. Would not be surprised to see the raid get cleared very soon.
    Dunno. There are alot more 25m guilds in the top 25 than 10m guilds. Then take into consideration that there are alot more 10m than 25m guilds atm. So if you go by that logic 25m is easier for at least the first 2 bosses.

    I believe they are quite equal tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    I believe they are quite equal tho.
    And where do you get that belief? Have you done both sizes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    And where do you get that belief? Have you done both sizes?
    Question is, have you?

    You don't know either, so shut it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scdogg44 View Post
    Question is, have you?

    You don't know either, so shut it.
    I have, not only from my beta experience, but now my live experience. 10 man is significantly easier this tier as a result of tank dps and healer scaling. You simply need less numbers meaning you have a lot more room to kill fights without proper comp or strategy tuning. Anyone that says otherwise clearly hasn't done the raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scdogg44 View Post
    Question is, have you?

    You don't know either, so shut it.

    25 man dogs is a lot harder than 10 man.

    Thats FACT.

    I bet feng is harder to due to the spreading out of the raid etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    And where do you get that belief? Have you done both sizes?
    I have in tier 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. Personally I think they are quite balanced with some fights favoring some sizes. For example 10 man T11 was way harder than 25 man T11. 10 man T12 was easier than 25 man T12. In T13 some bosses favor one size.

    All in all, if someone points a gun to my head and says ''tell me which size is harder or I'll shoot'' I'd say 10 man simply because gearing up is harder and getting the correct composition can be a difficult task. I admit managing 25 people is difficult but once you are past that the raids themselves are a lot smoother to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodias View Post
    Why do world firsts matter to this community?
    Because 10 mans sucksssss like there is no tomorrow, it's BS.
    Who cares about it, back in Wotlk.... 2 trolls whining on the forums ?

    If 10 mans should be for friends and casuals then why Devs ( suckss ) wanted to kill 25 mans after ICC.... ? They have ruined the " raiding community " and changed so many good-average players into stupid pro guilds jumpers.... searching for easy lootZZzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paraclef View Post
    Because 10 mans sucksssss like there is no tomorrow, it's BS.
    Who cares about it, back in Wotlk.... 2 trolls whining on the forums ?

    If 10 mans should be for friends and casuals then why Devs ( suckss ) wanted to kill 25 mans after ICC.... ? They have ruined the " raiding community " and changed so many good-average players into stupid pro guilds jumpers.... searching for easy lootZZzzzz.
    8/10. Would read again.

    Also, I agree with Asmodias' post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    25 man dogs is a lot harder than 10 man.
    You are the first person i've seen say that, general consensus is 10 man is harder for dogs.

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    Impressive!

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    10 Man is harder than 25 man,

    so it just proves that paragon is way superior compared to other top-end guilds

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