[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Rennadrel]

And now I know why Derek Smart is so retardedly famous. His fans are just as fanatical as the hardcore Star Citizen fans they complain so much about.

It's because he is a retard. Then again, that scrub can't program his way out of a paper bag. Maybe he should put his money where his mouth is and actually release his game, but unfortunately he won't because he is too afraid that reviewers will rip his asshole open for being incompetent because he can't make a good game. He talks a lot of shit, but none of it can be backed up.

[Aberrict]

And now I know why Derek Smart is so retardedly famous. His fans are just as fanatical as the hardcore Star Citizen fans they complain so much about.

Come one Waaldo admit it. Derek Smart is the best thing to happen to Star Citizen.

It's because he is a retard. Then again, that scrub can't program his way out of a paper bag. Maybe he should put his money where his mouth is and actually release his game, but unfortunately he won't because he is too afraid that reviewers will rip his asshole open for being incompetent because he can't make a good game. He talks a lot of shit, but none of it can be backed up.

But enough about Chris Roberts.

[Slant]

He was in the studio, he looked at thier computers, he talked to the devs that were there often. How the fuck does that mean he doesnt know what was going on at that branch? Just cus hes from somthingawfull? I hate goons as much as the next but that doesnt mean hes clueless. He may have not had the whole picture, but anyone that has a basic understanding of game design that sits in a studio or a while, talks to the devs over chow, and watchs them work can have a decent idea of whats being done or whats not being done.

Yes, and other than "I saw them redo stuff they did before" I haven't heard an actual assessment based on what people said. All I read was "I saw them redo stuff they did before... so something must be fucked up!"

That's a mighty conclusion, considering how they had to essentially redo lighting and textures in a huge overhaul a year ago, how they resized ships to entirely different classes for whatever reasons, which changes the whole scaling of things inside the ship etc.

We can all agree that SC is a massive undertaking. And if you know something about game development, you'll know that you don't need to tweak much to have it escalate into a whole series of adjustments in other areas. Translate "adjustment" into "redoing stuff they already did before" for comprehension and you'll get my point.

This dude sounds like some snubbed crybaby ranting and painting the picture as dark as he can to discredit it and more importantly, to justify his hissy fit about quitting the game. Cos if you spend what, 200 grand on a game and expect CR himself to wipe your ass everytime you go to the loo and it doesn't happen, you're likely to throw a hissy fit, too.

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The Goons are coming?

Keep Mittens away for the love of all you hold dear.

They've been in SC for a long time. And their high level of sophisticated trolling is still being maintained. You gotta love that abbreviation.



Just remember, don't let them anywhere near game design.

[Rennadrel]

Well it's a good thing the game is going to support private servers, I am sure that will be the method me and about 200 other people that I play games with in a collective group will do, though I don't think all of us are going to be playing SC, but a significant number will. Either way, if that is the kind of childish behavior people have to deal with in Star Citizen, private servers will be the most ideal choice for most players.

[Slant]

It's a bit arrogant to call it "childish" without understanding the context.

[Nirawen]

Come one Waaldo admit it. Derek Smart is the best thing to happen to Star Citizen.

I guess it is useful to have someone you can point at and say 'At least we aren't that bad'.

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3+ years later and nearly 100 mil and they have next to nothing to show for it.
If that ain't scamming, i don't know what is.

Idk how people can defend this crap, but i guess when you spend 200$ on something that doesn't exist you have to, right ?

[Waaldo]

I'm confused here, the streams that people have been posting here are "nothing"? o.O;

Nothing to show other than the things they show.

It's amazing how much yearly games like CoD and Assassins Creed have ruined peoples perception on how long it takes to make a game from scratch. It also shows why, at this point in development, most company keep their games secret. Star Citizen has been a large scale social experiment, and rather big portion of people have ruined the possibility of open development for future titles.

Please keep releasing yearly cash cows, and put in micro transaction, because apparently that's what the people want. Because when a developer actually tries to make a unique and worthwhile game all of the vile fuckwads of the gaming community have to put in their 2 cents of infinite knowledge.

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I'm confused here, the streams that people have been posting here are "nothing"? o.O;

"next to nothing" learn to read, and yeah, for 100 mil and 3 years development, this really is next to nothing

Nothing to show other than the things they show.

It's amazing how much yearly games like CoD and Assassins Creed have ruined peoples perception on how long it takes to make a game from scratch. It also shows why, at this point in development, most company keep their games secret. Star Citizen has been a large scale social experiment, and rather big portion of people have ruined the possibility of open development for future titles.

Please keep releasing yearly cash cows, and put in micro transaction, because apparently that's what the people want. Because when a developer actually tries to make a unique and worthwhile game all of the vile fuckwads of the gaming community have to put in their 2 cents of infinite knowledge.

ohh so the game is there, but its "secret", ohh i get it now
... please

Please post constructively and respectfully - aiko

[Rennadrel]

It's a bit arrogant to call it "childish" without understanding the context.

Those douchecanoes have already ruined some games that I play, the last thing I want is their bullshit in SC

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Nothing to show other than the things they show.

It's amazing how much yearly games like CoD and Assassins Creed have ruined peoples perception on how long it takes to make a game from scratch. It also shows why, at this point in development, most company keep their games secret. Star Citizen has been a large scale social experiment, and rather big portion of people have ruined the possibility of open development for future titles.

Please keep releasing yearly cash cows, and put in micro transaction, because apparently that's what the people want. Because when a developer actually tries to make a unique and worthwhile game all of the vile fuckwads of the gaming community have to put in their 2 cents of infinite knowledge.

Fallout 4 started development with an existing engine in 2013, or whenever Skyrim was finished. So it basically took them 3 full years to make just a single player world. The amusing thing is that SC is two games in one really, and having to build the universe plus a world for single player, is not exactly easy, especially when you are building from nothing. Fallout 4 had some of the core mechanics reused from Skyrim, so that is also a lot less work programming wise. I am not sure how people expect a MMO game to take 3 years to develop, especially on a brand new engine that required a lot of modifying, had numerous server side features that had to be built from scratch, hit registration in online games with more complex design tend to have issues with latency in Cry Engine games. I have seen that with MechWarrior Online, which runs on CryEngine 2. When you factor in ping plus movement of objects at high rates of speed, not to mention multiple locations where damage must be registered on a target, it isn't exactly a simple thing to design. Star Marine obviously has experienced those issues on top of adding the physics like anti gravity in, hence the delay for the FPS system implementation. I don't envy what the guys are going through, CryEngine has a lot of limitations to it but I am sure in due time they will get beyond them.

[Waaldo]

"next to nothing" learn to read, and yeah, for 100 mil and 3 years development, this really is next to nothing



ohh so the game is there, but its "secret", ohh i get it now
... please

Today I learned more money = faster development.
... Please

I didn't say this game has had secret content, I said other companies games are kept secret. Fallout 4 was announced 6 months before its release. But it was in development for years, and like said above it reused assets and coding from fallout 3 and skyrim. RSI started from the ground up.

[mhdoe]

People still back this game why?

[Waaldo]

I seriously don’t get it why you are so surprised about people defending this project, I mean look around, you said it yourself! At least most of them have an excuse for it, they bloody supported it financially! What about people who keep going around online forums into threads just like this one just to flame the project and the ones who backed it, what’s the excuse for that kind of people? o.O;

^^
People need to read this. The post of someone who isn't an illogical hate zombie.

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People still back this game why?

Because it's fun? Crazy, I know.

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[Aberrict]

Ahh yes, that totally does the difference! It’s not nothing, it’s just close to it, like 5 foot away from nothing! C’mon… I’ll tell you what, as soon as you learn how to post constructively I’ll take myself some English reading classes, deal?

I seriously don’t get it why you are so surprised about people defending this project, I mean look around, you said it yourself! At least most of them have an excuse for it, they bloody supported it financially! What about people who keep going around online forums into threads just like this one just to flame the project and the ones who backed it, what’s the excuse for that kind of people? o.O;

I hope you don’t get me wrong here, besides the videos that I’ve watching post here I can’t really say that I’ve been following the project myself, nor I ever invested on it, or any Kickstarter project in fact. I did however followed multiple MMORPG scams in Kickstarter, I must admit, if this is one, it’s nothing like the rest… the amount of money, time and afford they invested just to “fool” people is completely insane, plus, they gave faces, names and a lot of other personal information… the consequences of this being a scam would probably not be worth the money they are getting from it at this point.

Oh also don’t forget that what you said it’s just your opinion, opinions are usually based on personal knowledge about the matter, mind if I ask you your experience in game development? Because if you ask me, anyone who is able to use google in order to find game development time & cost table will most likely disagree with that.

Oh I don't believe it's an intentional scam, but Chris Robert's track record is to go over-budget, over-deadline, and needs tight control from publishers to actually deliver his games.

Gary Oldman compared him to George Lucas and the comparison is apt. Original Trilogy George Lucas had a bunch of editors, writers, cameramen, etc who reigned in his more over top and dumb ideas. Particularly his first wife, who did much of editing that Star Wars watchable. Prequel Trilogy George Lucas had a bunch of fanboys and yes men who did everything he said because they're helping carry out George Lucas' "vision" instead of making good movies.

Without any publisher to put down deadlines in the case of Wing Commander or Microsoft who rode in to save Freelance, Chris Roberts is PT GL.

[Slant]

3+ years later and nearly 100 mil and they have next to nothing to show for it.
If that ain't scamming, i don't know what is.

Idk how people can defend this crap, but i guess when you spend 200$ on something that doesn't exist you have to, right ?

I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this, but for everyone thinking this dude knows what he's talking about... go to Twitch, pick any random SC 2.0 PTU stream, watch it for 5 (!) minutes and come back here and tell me they have nothing to show for it.

I dare you.

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Those douchecanoes have already ruined some games that I play, the last thing I want is their bullshit in SC

They are powerless if you don't give them power. Look objectively at what they do. It's first class entertainment and brings spice into games like EvE Online, which otherwise would be one heck of a boring affair. What I agree with you about, though, is that they must not, ever, get anywhere near developers and game development of SC. They have funny ideas and while I'm quite okay with a certain amount of bullying and trolling ingame, because face it, that's part of a "real universe" and adds to the sandbox, they sometimes overdo it. I agree with that also.

But as an example, essentially blocking the newbie zone in EvE and making it pretty much useless in protest to microtransactions in EvE (I believe they were part of that whole idea), I was cheering for it. That's the stuff legends in gaming are made of. Nobody cares about hte nth 3 man gank of one hapless newbie just out of the starter zone. But holding an entire system hostage? Awesome stuff.

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People still back this game why?

Two reasons: I was yearning for a good space game for a long time now. WoW has burned me out of the Fantasy genre for now and EvE online has a ridiculously high entry barrier. I tend to enjoy endgame most, so when I talked to some people knowing their stuff and made rough calculations telling me I need about 6 months real world time before I'm not utterly useless for my corp, I thanked them and took my hat.

The second reason is... simply to show EA + Activision + Ubisoft the middle finger. That alone is almost reason enough for me. Just to be part of that growing crowd telling those cheapskates mass producing low quality content while raising prices across the board to fuck off. I'm sick of them doing actual development work on one engine that'll be used for 5 years with minimal adjustments, no innovative game mechanics, no storylines actually interesting...

The last storyline and gameplay that totally gripped me was Mass Effect and only part 3 was completely done under EA wings (and the ending fucking shows...).

[Cyclone Jack]

Got my PTU email yesterday, logged in a bit tonight. It's still buggy and unstable, but it's also pretty impressive. In the hour I was messing with it, I got about 30 minutes of game time (which is above par from my experience with early alpha tests in general). Takes a minute or two to load. First time, none of the doors past my starting room would open, Mobi-Glass wasn't working well, and I got into some odd state where I couldn't move. Restarted. Got in, requested my Cutlass Black, game crashed shortly after getting into my ship. A little buggy there as well, as the ship kinda slid around a bit; never off the platform, but it was noticeable. I also had some trouble getting into the ship from the back, as I kept falling through the floor of the ship back onto the platform; climbing in from the front worked every time. Logged in a 3rd time, got in my ship flew around a bit, and spent a few minutes looking at the key-bindings. Someone flew into me, and I finally figured out how to warp to different locations and went to the repair station. Got repaired, then the game crashed. Thought about calling it, logged in one more time. Got into my Cutlass, walked through the cockpit, got back into my Cutlass, flew to a relay, shot down a bad guy, hopped out of my Cutlass, jet-packed inside the relay, turned it on, got back into my Cutlass, flew to the repair station, got fixed up, took off, crashed shortly after that. 4th time was well worth it. Other than the stability, I enjoyed my experience, and I can't wait for a few friends to log in so I can mess with their multi-crew ships.

For an alpha that is still ramping up its servers, it was about what I expected on the stability side. I've had worse experiences during beta tests, so I can't really complain. I did drop my graphic settings down to medium, and only had the occasional stutter, though some textures took a while to stream in (usually the decals). I'm going to have to get used to the controls, at least until I get a good stick/throttle. Walking around is still a little annoying due to the ridiculous amount of head bobbing, especially the minor shuffling when you take small steps or do some slow rotations (they really need to smooth that out). I'll probably play some more later this week and find myself over to the contested space station to get some FPS in and see how that is. I'll be surprised if I do very well, especially in zero-g, I was all over the inside of that relay (probably gave my character a dozen concussions and broke all of his limbs) and I barely made it back into my Cutlass.

[Waaldo]

I also got my PTU invite, and like said above there are lots of bugs and crashes. But when it works it's a super fun game. All I've really done is some flying around and I got into someone else's Retaliator and was in the gunner seat until we crashed and blew up. I still haven't been able to try the FPS part, it would be nice if the Star Marine module was available along side the 2.0 update. It's hard enough getting to the location, but to expect multiple people to get there is pretty far fetched. I will try again later.

The lack of graphic settings still bugs me, and it's kind of annoying because I get the same frame rates on the highest setting as I do on the lowest setting (it's almost like nothing actually changes). Dropping down to 10-15 fps is pretty much unplayable, not really caring what the game looks like at this point. Looking online it appears that the fps problem is something to do with the most recent update, so hopefully that will be patched soon.

[Demoncrash]

CR is gonna unveil a new trailer at the Game Awards which starts in about 10 hours from now.

[Rennadrel]

Still waiting on getting into PTU testing

[Gorsameth]

CR is gonna unveil a new trailer at the Game Awards which starts in about 10 hours from now.

Does this game really need more new trailers?

Something about how they spend all their time on making trailers instead of making the actual game.