[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Majestic12]

You are not in a position to attack his decisions as a professional because you are not in his shoes. Armchair dev'ing is so easy isin't it?
You don't like you leave, simple. Pretending you know better than him or anyone at CIG is just dumb rhetoric of make believe. Nothing you say or do in this forum can change Star Citizen development or the way Chris Roberts develops the game. It's useless and pie in the sky rethoric. You are wrong all the way through on your "conclusions" because you fail to see the bigger picture (like most armchair dev's) you lack the knowledge and the intelligence to see further than what your red tinted binoculars allow you to.

Chris Roberts decisions have led him into the absolute best position both a developer and us gamers could ever hope for. FUD'ers and impatient gamers just can't deal with it's success without lashing out in make believe doom predictions but time keeps proving them wrong, again and again.



All those decisions were made based on what was known at the time and what funding was allowed at the time.

Looking back they were absolutely the best decision of the project, that's why it keeps getting bigger, better and with more backers.

You kids should learn how to manage your expectations, adults are making a video-game over here, not catering to your petty wishful thinking.

All right so you didn't even answer my question. Just like I suspected. You avoided it entirely and then went on another rant about subjectivity and "haters".
I am a developer, by the way, just not for games. I know how development works, period. And what CR did with the 3.0 marketing - nobody does that. The reason he can get away with it is because he has guys like you who will mindlessly defend him. Hell, he could punch your granny in the face and you'd still forgive him.

You're just beyond reason reason at this point.

You won't criticise or acknowledge that Chris fucked up because you're afraid. This is exactly what happened with NMS and when that failed you guys just disappeared all of a sudden and never came back.

What you guys had in common is that you were all in pure denial. "But... maybe MP is just disabled!" No. It doesn't exist, just like the original 3.0. Chris lied, just accept it.

[Kuja]

This game seems like it will be ready in 5 years, and by then it's already outdated.

[MrAnderson]

All right so you didn't even answer my question. Just like I suspected. You avoided it entirely and then went on another rant about subjectivity and "haters".
I am a developer, by the way, just not for games. I know how development works, period. And what CR did with the 3.0 marketing - nobody does that. The reason he can get away with it is because he has guys like you who will mindlessly defend him. Hell, he could punch your granny in the face and you'd still forgive him.

You're just beyond reason reason at this point.

You won't criticise or acknowledge that Chris fucked up because you're afraid. This is exactly what happened with NMS and when that failed you guys just disappeared all of a sudden and never came back.

What you guys had in common is that you were all in pure denial. "But... maybe MP is just disabled!" No. It doesn't exist, just like the original 3.0. Chris lied, just accept it.

The way you are posting it's typical bullshitter. You don't know shit, you are a liar and deceiver saying that you are in the Evocati and you played 3.0. You keep trowing that sweet mumbo jumbo of whole lot of nothing to obfuscate the fact that your whole arguments are based on lies and ignorance.

The only people who fucked up were the ones who didn't managed their expectations accordingly, maybe inform yourself before splashing 600$ in crowdfunding.

Also you keep bringing up that kid's game NMS as if it has anything to do with me or Star Citizen. Development in one single Star Citizen ship has more complexity than both NMS and Elite together, dunno why people need to bring up them as good examples of space games when all they did was disappoint gamers.

[KyrtF]

Looking back they were absolutely the best decision of the project, that's why it keeps getting bigger, better and with more backers.

You kids should learn how to manage your expectations, adults are making a video-game over here, not catering to your petty wishful thinking.

Seriously?

Chris Roberts KNEW that he would have to make major changes to CryEngine and he knrw it was unsuited.

He still went ahead with it.

Chris Roberts originally planned and developed a Wing Commander style game. He did not have to change focus with his decision to make an MMO style game. Doing so inevitably meant huge delays and extra costs due to the necessity to plan and design an MMO game, especially since CryEngine was even LESS suited for that game style.

I persinally fail to see how deciding to keep third party developers in the dark about changes and upgrades to the games core engine to the point eberything they created needed to be scrapped can be desribed as "the best decision for the project". I personally would ascribe sheer incompetence in that he simply forgot they needed to know and didn't give them the information.

Similarly...I do not see how lying to his backers can be described as a good decision.

And so on.

None of these were the right or best decisions. ALL of them and more were poor decisions and more, it was obvious at the time they were poor decisions.

[Majestic12]

The way you are posting it's typical bullshitter. You don't know shit, you are a liar and deceiver saying that you are in the Evocati and you played 3.0. You keep trowing that sweet mumbo jumbo of whole lot of nothing to obfuscate the fact that your whole arguments are based on lies and ignorance.

The only people who fucked up were the ones who didn't managed their expectations accordingly, maybe inform yourself before splashing 600$ in crowdfunding.

Also you keep bringing up that kid's game NMS as if it has anything to do with me or Star Citizen. Development in one single Star Citizen ship has more complexity than both NMS and Elite together, dunno why people need to bring up them as good examples of space games when all they did was disappoint gamers.

Just sounds like you can't comprehend it, really. The reason you're saying "bullshitter" is because you simply don't like what I'm saying and therefore you try to discredit me. I'm calling you out on specific things Chris did and all you do is respond with blanket statements and don't even address the question.

That's the ultimate difference between you and me. I'm factual and a realist, you're not.

[MrAnderson]

Seriously?

Chris Roberts KNEW that he would have to make major changes to CryEngine and he knrw it was unsuited.

He still went ahead with it.

Chris Roberts originally planned and developed a Wing Commander style game. He did not have to change focus with his decision to make an MMO style game. Doing so inevitably meant huge delays and extra costs due to the necessity to plan and design an MMO game, especially since CryEngine was even LESS suited for that game style.

I persinally fail to see how deciding to keep third party developers in the dark about changes and upgrades to the games core engine to the point eberything they created needed to be scrapped can be desribed as "the best decision for the project". I personally would ascribe sheer incompetence in that he simply forgot they needed to know and didn't give them the information.

Similarly...I do not see how lying to his backers can be described as a good decision.

And so on.

None of these were the right or best decisions. ALL of them and more were poor decisions and more, it was obvious at the time they were poor decisions.

OFC he went with it, any engine he choose would need rework , making a new engine from scratch would need a rework.

Chris improved is vision because he got more money to do it. He is honouring it's pledger by giving them more gameplay they could ever imagined, that's why he keeps getting support from backers.

What other games are out there doing with Star Citizen is going for? None so stop with the engine bullshit the financial bullshit and any other dumb reason you guys find to hate on Star Citizen. It's a useless waste of time.

That's the ultimate difference between you and me. I'm factual and a realist, you're not.

We have nothing to discuss. You're a bullshiter and don't know nothing about Star Citizen or you have interest in knowing, you lie and deceive because you got nothing else. Your necessity to try and pretend of being evocati and playing 3.0 to validate your opinions showed everything about you and your pathetic motives.

Keep hating we keep on backing.

[Jastall]

Pretty much.

People keep talking about the "scope" of this game but scope means jack when you are taking forever to develop it.

You can spend all the time developing the best game in the world with high end features and it can still end up being terrible.

Yeah, that's my view as well. I don't care how great the ''scope'' and ''vision'' are if the actual game isn't fun to play. Modern sandbox titles are often great in scope, by which I mean they have a vast map crammed full of rinse-repeat busywork. I'm not saying Star Citizen will be like that, but ambition and scale can only carry a game so far.

[Post]

Well that's an easy one, because he didn't.

Saying Chris didn't fuck up at this point is denying reality. This is worse than NMS, at least those who tried their best to defend it admitted that Sean made mistakes, and at least they had a game to defend...

[Onvious]

Chris simply lied about 3.0. why ppl still defend him in forums. LoL

[KyrtF]

OFC he went with it, any engine he choose would need rework , making a new engine from scratch would need a rework.

How on earth would making a new engine from scratch require a "rework"?

He goofed. He made a mistake.

**IF** he had kept with his original plan of creating a Wing Commander type game then possibly things would have worked out.

CryEngine would still require heavy modification, but nowhere near the degree of modification required to create the open world MMO he is making now. Third party devs would have shouldered much of the development burden but their work would remain compatible and useable. The preparatation CR did to create his game would still be valid and he would have ended up throwing less work away.

Lets face it.....CR got "ambitious" when the crowdfunding became successful.

CryEngine required so much work at that stage that it would have been cheaper, easier, quicker to create their own engine.

That CR chose not to do this is perhaps the single biggest mistake he has made. Five years after Kickstarter, he is still working on engine modifications and that is affecting the rest of the game.

Chris improved is vision because he got more money to do it. He is honouring it's pledger by giving them more gameplay they could ever imagined, that's why he keeps getting support from backers.

"Improved"?

There's little wrong with CRs vision.

But software and game development requires planning and the game he is creating now is not the game CR planned and developed before Kickstarter.

What other games are out there doing with Star Citizen is going for? None so stop with the engine bullshit the financial bullshit and any other dumb reason you guys find to hate on Star Citizen. It's a useless waste of time.

Apart from Elite Dangerous and No Mans Skies...and SWTOR....I think you could probably add EVE to the list....

We have nothing to discuss. You're a bullshiter and don't know nothing about Star Citizen or you have interest in knowing, you lie and deceive because you got nothing else. Your necessity to try and pretend of being evocati and playing 3.0 to validate your opinions showed everything about you and your pathetic motives.

Keep hating we keep on backing.

"Discussion" would imply you have some answers to the issues raised and so are capable of having a discourse. You don't....you simply throw around words like "hater" to pretend that anyone who criticises Star Citizen is doing so because of personal hatred or with an agenda.

That Majestic12 points out flaws with 3.0 does not mean he is not an Evocati. Thats what he is supposed to do.

But telling us CR and CIG have made no mistakes? That their judgement has been perfect?

Seriously? You expect to be taken seriously after that?

CIG has made HUGE mistakes in the development of this game. So has CR.

The feature list was not locked down soon enough. Feature creep and bloat doesn't work anywhere in life....it doesn't work in software engineering either.

CR should have chosen a custom engine. If he was going to spend years modifying CE, he might as well have spent those years creating a custom engine instead. He'd have been finished by now.

Chris Roberts showed an extreme degree of incompetence when he did not keep third party developers uptodate with engine changes. He had a plan for his original vision that entailed using 3rd parties to develop the game and he didn't change his plan when be switched from space combat sim to MMO. Ilfonic was familiar with CryEngine so they should have been able to deliver the FPS module.

They DID deliver the FPS module. We all saw it. It worked.

But they delivered it for CryEngine. Not StarEngine.

When your Project Lead doesn't think third parties need to be kept uptospeed on engine changes and wastes years of developmrmt and millions of dollars as a result, that's what most people call a mistake.

They are still doing it...how many assets are having to be reworked in 3.0 to get them to work?

Look even at how CIG are handling the testing of 3.0. They don't want leaks so have an NDA. They want to enforce the NDA so have added watermarks.

Did this stop leaks? No...because they goofed. Again. The watermarks can be removed by turning down the graphics. Videos are still coming out, but now they are being released WITHOUT the one aspect that Star Citizen had tried to make its own..."graphical fidelity". Coming so soon after the mess that was GC17 and THOSE character models, all they are doing is destroying the idea that Star Citizen at least looks good.

[MrAnderson]

May I recommend you to just mute him or ignore his posts instead of throwing a tantrum?
Cuz seriously, it’s just ridiculous at this point…
“we”, “our”… just out of curiosity, who are you supposed to be representing here?

I'lll keep calling out his or anyone's bullshit whenever I seel fit.

"We" backers vs "Them" smarties.

You probably out of the loop but there's a bunch of bitter folks that simply don't want to see Star Citizen succeed and because of that feel the need to intoxicate any thread they go to by spreading lies, misconceptions and "concern" pretending to like or even care about Star Citizen.

Calling out their bullshit is easy because they have no leg to stand on.

Saying Chris didn't fuck up at this point is denying reality. This is worse than NMS, at least those who tried their best to defend it admitted that Sean made mistakes, and at least they had a game to defend...

Oh did he? A guy who creates a company from scratch in 5 years with 400+ dev's and amasses about 2$million's per month on it's way to the 161$million, makes partnerships with AMD, NVIDIA, INTEL, AMAZON and has been feature in multiple gaming magazines articles WHILE building a game and opening it's process for anyone who cares to see is "fucking up" ohohoh. Basically you don't know what you talk about.

«zip»

You can't expect a game like this to be made without making "mistakes", it's part of it. If you go by that scrutiny EVERY developer makes "mistakes" and it's OK for them to make those, they are essential part of any creative development.

From what we've seen now Chris Roberts made all the right decisions because CIG is still going strong, Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are still being developed and people and money keep coming in. If they had folded and crashed yes you could talk about "failing" and "mistakes".

That's what there's to it, nothing else. If you are frustrated by game development maybe stick to something else, play NMS or Elite or SWTOR lol

[Rennadrel]

Pretty much.

People keep talking about the "scope" of this game but scope means jack when you are taking forever to develop it.

You can spend all the time developing the best game in the world with high end features and it can still end up being terrible.

The average game takes about 5 years to properly develop. Consider that engine design alone can be a 3 to 5 year job, and there was no engine on the market capable of doing what CIG needed and Cry Engine is one of the more advanced game engines out there that still needed extensive rework to fit into the design scope, I am still not at all surprised that CIG is taking this long to even roll out 3.0. I haven't played it much because of the time between major patches but I figure it's better than getting tired of playing an incomplete product and not wanting to play it when it is done.

[KyrtF]

You probably out of the loop but there's a bunch of bitter folks that simply don't want to see Star Citizen succeed

No....there isn't.

There are a bunch of people who would love to see Star Citizen succeed but aren't prepared to put up with Chris Roberts incompetence or keep quiet about the many problens Star Citizen is showing.

And then there are people like yourself who seem to think neither Chris Roberts nor CIG can make a mistake.

Calling out their bullshit is easy because they have no leg to stand on.

The game isn't released, the engine is still being worked on, the project leader is incompetent, development times and costs are massively underestimated, there is no content, the game mechanics are largely MIA and the graphics need a complete overhaul already.

This is what you call "no leg". And I could go on.

Oh did he? A guy who creates a company from scratch in 5 years with 400+ dev's and amasses about 2$million's per month on it's way to the 161$million, makes partnerships with AMD, NVIDIA, INTEL, AMAZON and has been feature in multiple gaming magazines articles WHILE building a game and opening it's process for anyone who cares to see is "fucking up" ohohoh. Basically you don't know what you talk about.

He's a salesman. He is not a project leader. Just about every project he has led has run into problems that either ended it or required outside help...e.g Freelancer.

He sold a grand vision which brought in a lot of cash. He isn't the first snake oil salesman to do that and won't be the last. Thst cash brought attention...inevitable these days....but it doesn't mean he didn't make a mistake.

You can't expect a game like this to be made without making "mistakes", it's part of it. If you go by that scrutiny EVERY developer makes "mistakes" and it's OK for them to make those, they are essential part of any creative development.

Mistakes? Yes.
Incompetence? No.

Chris Roberts is incompetent.

Not keeping third parties upto date on engine changes is not a mistake. Its a basic part of his job and he failed to do it, wasting millions of YOUR cash and years of development as a result.

Missing release dates and internal milestones shows that CR and CIG continually underestimate the time, money, manpower and resourves necessary to meet their goals.

Not by a few days either...but by MONTHS.

That proves CR is incapable of performing the role he is in. He cannot manage this project. He is operating FAR above his level of competence and as a result, costs and development time are far beyond what they should be.

From what we've seen now Chris Roberts made all the right decisions because CIG is still going strong, Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are still being developed and people and money keep coming in. If they had folded and crashed yes you could talk about "failing" and "mistakes".

That is a strange standard to judge success. Its a mighty unusual stanfard.

It is also one which shows he has succeeded at selling the idea.

It isn't one which shows he has succeeded at implementing it. That the game is literally years overdue and still years away from release, that he has messed up the basic aspects of his job, that he has fluffed even basic decisions....these show he has failed.

I'll be disappointed if Star Citizen fails. But I won't be hurt.

Thing is...."if" is rapidly becoming "when". CIG so far seems to be running out of money, refunds serm to be increasing, fundraising is going down, interest is decreasing and CIG hasn't budgetted for marketing, publication or hosting.

More, we cannot take CRs comment that they have enough money to finish the game at face value. For one, he has continually failed in his estination of costs and fircall that he is relying on S42 sales to fund SC...he seems to think S42 will be a huge success.

S42 is going to be using the same engine and code as SC and that isn't ready. S42 like SC is years away from release...unless he actually listens to his brother and gets the engine finished. And even then, no guarantee it'll be a success.

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The average game takes about 5 years to properly develop. Consider that engine design alone can be a 3 to 5 year job, and there was no engine on the market capable of doing what CIG needed and Cry Engine is one of the more advanced game engines out there that still needed extensive rework to fit into the design scope, I am still not at all surprised that CIG is taking this long to even roll out 3.0. I haven't played it much because of the time between major patches but I figure it's better than getting tired of playing an incomplete product and not wanting to play it when it is done.

And then look to reality where the 5 year development cycle you refer to often includes the engine development.

And the realisation that if there was no engine around it would be quicker
and cheaper to develop your own.

CIG chose CryEngine not because it was suitable...it wasn't..but because it was pretty and because they planned to farm work out to 3rd parties.

For a WC successor, that could have worked.

Once CR decided to throw that idea away, he should have changed his plan. CE needed MAJOR rework to support an MMO that would not be needed for his original plan. But CR still farmed out the work to 3rd parties and then didn't keep them in the loop about his engine "upgrades"

[Majestic12]

We have nothing to discuss. You're a bullshiter and don't know nothing about Star Citizen or you have interest in knowing, you lie and deceive because you got nothing else. Your necessity to try and pretend of being evocati and playing 3.0 to validate your opinions showed everything about you and your pathetic motives.

Keep hating we keep on backing.

Derek Smart succeeded because of people like you. He poisoned the well enough so that you can't see reason or anything else other than 'Smarties'. This is all on you.

In every post, you bring up the fact that I'm Evocati and you're not. Seems like I really struck a coord with that one. As a certain filmquote once said... "You can't handle the truth!" You're fuming over the fact that I have contributed to Star Citizen more than you and still say these things.

You're just a Shillizen nobody. That's why you even made the account you're posting from. That says it all really, you're a fake and a troll.

[MrAnderson]

Again you keep going with those hyperbolic mad ramblings about Chris Roberts like if you were twisting his arm into submission and make him resign lol.

It's useless and a waste of time. You can keep making stuff up year after year, financial dramas, refunds, layoff's whatever you guys pull out of your asses is utterly meaninfull and a waste of time. It was in 2014, 2015, 2016 and now and will be in the next year and the other one and so on.

Only guillable goons and ed fanboys eat up that shit. People on the sidelines just poke around from time to time and wonder why people who dont like the game's direction or management anymore cant let go ans move on with their lifes. Well it might be because they dont have one.

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Derek Smart succeeded because of people like you. He poisoned the well enough so that you can't see reason or anything else other than 'Smarties'. This is all on you.

In every post, you bring up the fact that I'm Evocati and you're not. Seems like I really struck a coord with that one. As a certain filmquote once said... "You can't handle the truth!" You're fuming over the fact that I have contributed to Star Citizen more than you and still say these things.

You're just a Shillizen nobody. That's why you even made the account you're posting from. That says it all really, you're a fake and a troll.

Keep lying it just shows how desperate you are. Bullshitters got nothing so they need to make up stuff to fuel the trollinh. Smarty acolytes are as sad as dumb.

[Majestic12]

Again you keep going with those hyperbolic mad ramblings about Chris Roberts like if you were twisting his arm into submission and make him resign lol.

It's useless and a waste of time. You can keep making stuff up year after year, financial dramas, refunds, layoff's whatever you guys pull out of your asses is utterly meaninfull and a waste of time. It was in 2014, 2015, 2016 and now and will be in the next year and the other one and so on.

Only guillable goons and ed fanboys eat up that shit. People on the sidelines just poke around from time to time and wonder why people who dont like the game's direction or management anymore cant let go ans move on with their lifes. Well it might be because they dont have one.

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Keep lying it just shows how desperate you are. Bullshitters got nothing so they need to make up stuff to fuel the trollinh. Smarty acolytes are as sad as dumb.

That's all you have now? Mindless repeating yourself?

Let's see:

1. You actively avoid discussing examples and specifics.
2. You mindlessly shill with a fake account.
3. You post here every day.

Nothing but sunk cost fallacy. Come back when you're ready to debate or to actually argue specifics. You can start with this one that you conveniently never answered:

Let's stick with the performance-increasing 3.0 that he said would hit in December for a bit. Why would Chris go and tell everybody that? Is it because:

1. He knew it wouldn't be ready and lied to the backers to increase hype/crowdfunding. (He misled us)
2. He believed it would be ready but was severily mistaken. (He is incompetent)

Which is it, Mr.Anderson?

[MrAnderson]

I tought you got a refund. Why are you saying you are being misled by CR when you dont take his sayings as seriously?

Missing dates or changing scope is normal in game development.

That's why anyone with a clue takes like estimatives that they are. You and the other haters with an axe to grind , dumb as dumbells, take them as written in stone. Yet you forget or pretend that other devs do exactly the same, Sean Murray, David Braben, Kojima, Garriot and any other dev that dares to speak in public and give a grasp of info about the future of their games misses the mark in some way or another.

You are a liar and a deceiver pretending to be evocati when you probably havent played the game in years.

You are an extension of your own flaw, preaching ignorance like its gospel. Problem is that real life catches on eventually.

You got nothing but frustration and spite, so you turn into a sad smartie echo chambering goon bullshit.

When 3.0 releases you will go back to your private cave/discord/forum, lick the wounds, regroup and come back with another spin on the bullshittery fud propaganda.

Go ahead, I'll be right her with ma popcorns ready.

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TLDR: You cant make the perfect omelet without breaking some eggs along the way.

Kids who never steped into a kitchen see some broken eggs and cry "incompetent"

Same old story every year. Kids cry Star Citizen development keeps on going making millions and gathering more and more fans.

Looking back, No wonder they are salty.

[1001]

I tought you got a refund. Why are you saying you are being misled by CR when you dont take his sayings as seriously?

Missing dates or changing scope is normal in game development.

That's why anyone with a clue takes like estimatives that they are. You and the other haters with an axe to grind , dumb as dumbells, take them as written in stone. Yet you forget or pretend that other devs do exactly the same, Sean Murray, David Braben, Kojima, Garriot and any other dev that dares to speak in public and give a grasp of info about the future of their games misses the mark in some way or another.

Missing every single date or the majority of dates is not common at all. Imagine if we all functioned like that.... The majority of studios set goals and achieve them, they set alpha/beta/patch/release dates and more often than not achieve them, CIG struggle for some reason.

Most companies give a heads up prior to missing a date, CIG just go silent and leave people wondering WTF is going on.

They can't even start their streams or conventions on time...

[Majestic12]

I tought you got a refund. Why are you saying you are being misled by CR when you dont take his sayings as seriously?

Missing dates or changing scope is normal in game development.

That's why anyone with a clue takes like estimatives that they are. You and the other haters with an axe to grind , dumb as dumbells, take them as written in stone. Yet you forget or pretend that other devs do exactly the same, Sean Murray, David Braben, Kojima, Garriot and any other dev that dares to speak in public and give a grasp of info about the future of their games misses the mark in some way or another.

You are a liar and a deceiver pretending to be evocati when you probably havent played the game in years.

You are an extension of your own flaw, preaching ignorance like its gospel. Problem is that real life catches on eventually.

You got nothing but frustration and spite, so you turn into a sad smartie echo chambering goon bullshit.

When 3.0 releases you will go back to your private cave/discord/forum, lick the wounds, regroup and come back with another spin on the bullshittery fud propaganda.

Go ahead, I'll be right her with ma popcorns ready.

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TLDR: You cant make the perfect omelet without breaking some eggs along the way.

Kids who never steped into a kitchen see some broken eggs and cry "incompetent"

Same old story every year. Kids cry Star Citizen development keeps on going making millions and gathering more and more fans.

Looking back, No wonder they are salty.

I didn't get a refund, I submitted for a refund. Difference if you actually knew the delays and how swamped the CIG support/ticketstaff is. Are you really trying to distract from the subject at hand with that?

So your answer to my question is that Chis isn't incompetent. That the Netcode was somehow very close to being done for December but a magical delay happened that pushed it out completely and we got a different 3.0 (not even technically released) 10 months late?

I think you're dreaming, just like Chris. What you don't get is that we will be the ones to suffer for this ultimately, not Chris. He is already rich and he didn't even have to release the game.

I absolutely love how you brought real life into this, thinking I am or will be in a bad spot. FYI I am a senior developer in the government of my country. I know development, unlike you. Knowing development is the only reason I put so much time into Star Citizen's testing, because I find it interesting. And SC in its original pitch was exactly what I wanted.

Not a single thing I have written in this thread is a lie. I am a dev, I like testing so I put hours into SC, and I have been Evocati ever since it became a thing. If you don't like that, then just drop it. Yet you keep bringing it up in every single post. You're that petty and upset about what I have to say about SC that you just can't let it go.

Yes, I'm frustrated with Chris, because he had the opportunity of a lifetime and this is what he did. SC went from a genuine project with financial accountability all accounted for(pun intended) in the TOS. Then when the time came, he postponed the date, and finally removed it entirely. It's a scumbag move. But I'm curious what you think about that TOS change in particular? Why would they add it only to remove it later when it's time to show the financials? This is outside of delays or anything of the sort, this is about CIG vs. accountability and what they decided to add/remove to the TOS.

FYI, 11 lines of text don't need a TL;DR.

[Sezerek]

@Majestic12 have you thought on changing your avatar to kiljaeden...as a tribute to mrandersen calling you "the deceiver" nonstop?