1. #10801
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    No matter how impatient their users or potential users are.
    Despicable. You are a company man through and through.

    Imagine saying the people who financed the game are impatient because the company is incapable of delivering on their pitch despite blowing $350 million and taking 8 years just to produce a fraction of the game...

  2. #10802
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    Despicable. You are a company man through and through.

    Imagine saying the people who financed the game are impatient because the company is incapable of delivering on their pitch despite blowing $350 million and taking 8 years just to produce a fraction of the game...
    Open letters dont work here. If you cant handle the uncertainties of game development dont back crowdfunded games. Simple.

  3. #10803
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Open letters dont work here. If you cant handle the uncertainties of game development dont back crowdfunded games. Simple.
    Boilerplate response from a company man. No one backed this game thinking a delay of 15+ years would be acceptable. If a game is 2 or 3 years late, fair enough. Anything else is just taking the piss.

  4. #10804
    So is this game gonna get a release date soon or will it forever be a meme?
    Your persistence of vision does not come without great sacrifice. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. There is no escape.. For the soul burns on everlasting encapsulated within infinite time. A thousand year journey at the blink of an eye... Humanity is dust..

  5. #10805
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    Boilerplate response from a company man. No one backed this game thinking a delay of 15+ years would be acceptable. If a game is 2 or 3 years late, fair enough. Anything else is just taking the piss.
    You can try to speak for everyone who backed (and fail) but that wont ever change the nature of game development business or crowdfunding.

    Like the great Truman once said: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    So is this game gonna get a release date soon or will it forever be a meme?
    Soon

    In all seriousness, most likely in the next 2-3 years we are looking at a solid, playable game and about 5 years for content pump (missions, items etc). This is assuming that CIG does not close its doors.

    However, as an MMO, it will be continuously worked on.
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  7. #10807
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    You can try to speak for everyone who backed (and fail) but that wont ever change the nature of game development business or crowdfunding.

    Like the great Truman once said: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
    So you think SC should resume giving refunds for people who are no longer willing to wait?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  8. #10808
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    So you think SC should resume giving refunds for people who are no longer willing to wait?
    Ofc not, that's not how crowdfunding and pledges work. You give the money freely and willingly knowing that you're doing it so to help make a product. The moment you pledge a crowdfunded project it stops being your money and it's the company/artists money to use accordingly to make that product. As long as the company shows clearly progress and that they are developing the product and using that money for the task at hand no one is entitled to a refund besides the 14-30 days obligatory one.

    Backers who complain probably should have done their homework first. Hopefully, lesson learned.

  9. #10809
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    You can try to speak for everyone who backed (and fail) but that wont ever change the nature of game development business or crowdfunding.
    So what are you trying to say, that you are speaking for the majority and not me? Somehow I doubt that

    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Like the great Truman once said: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
    Rewording the company script doesn't change anything. No one backed this game saying A 15 year delay is a-ok by me

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post

    Backers who complain probably should have done their homework first. Hopefully, lesson learned.
    The irony here being how much you moan about Elite stealing your lunch money and it not being the game you thought you were buying and WHERE IS ALL THE DAMN CONTENT THEY PROMISED ME!!!....

  10. #10810
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Ofc not, that's not how crowdfunding and pledges work. You give the money freely and willingly knowing that you're doing it so to help make a product. The moment you pledge a crowdfunded project it stops being your money and it's the company/artists money to use accordingly to make that product. As long as the company shows clearly progress and that they are developing the product and using that money for the task at hand no one is entitled to a refund besides the 14-30 days obligatory one.

    Backers who complain probably should have done their homework first. Hopefully, lesson learned.
    This is nonsensical. If one takes part in a Kickstarter the terms are laid out and the company receives money based on those terms.
    Changing the deal after one has received monies is known as bait and switch. There is no expectation for a backer or customer to have to wait indefinitely because the company cannot get their affairs in order.

    Try applying your logic elsewhere in the world and see how far it gets you.

  11. #10811
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    Angry Gamer
    It's ok to be angry but don't pretend to know why anyone else does the thing they do. You speak for yourself and you'll rant for yourself. As pointless as that is It's up to you to deal with your own actions and emotions.





    Reality will keep going it's own way either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterblaster0 View Post
    This is nonsensical. If one takes part in a Kickstarter the terms are laid out and the company receives money based on those terms.
    Changing the deal after one has received monies is known as bait and switch. There is no expectation for a backer or customer to have to wait indefinitely because the company cannot get their affairs in order.

    Try applying your logic elsewhere in the world and see how far it gets you.
    Try suing based on that logic and see how far it gets you.

  12. #10812
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    It's ok to be angry but don't pretend to know why anyone else does the thing they do. You speak for yourself and you'll rant for yourself. As pointless as that is It's up to you to deal with your own actions and emotions.
    This is just you projecting. Because you are so emotionally attached you think everyone else must be as well. What was it you said before? That you felt it was your duty to love the game...

    And trust the company man to pull out finances lol. I imagine most people want the game not financial information...
    Last edited by 1001; 2020-07-22 at 05:11 PM.

  13. #10813
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    This is just you projecting. Because you are so emotionally attached you think everyone else must be as well. What was it you said before? That you felt it was your duty to love the game...
    Don't be mad at people because they like a game you don't. Maybe find another game to be enthusiastic about and go post in that thread instead of feeding of miserabilism for the sake of coping with the fact that this game is not for you anymore.

  14. #10814
    Quote Originally Posted by masterblaster0 View Post
    This is nonsensical. If one takes part in a Kickstarter the terms are laid out and the company receives money based on those terms.
    Changing the deal after one has received monies is known as bait and switch. There is no expectation for a backer or customer to have to wait indefinitely because the company cannot get their affairs in order.

    Try applying your logic elsewhere in the world and see how far it gets you.
    It stated it in the kickstarter the risks and challenges that they would aim to make the game they wanted but would settle on a different version if the money was not enough.

    There was also a vote to change the scope of the game that the community kept giving money until just before 2015 so the game grew larger over 2 years because the community wanted more. The community agreed to the change in the game so the origional terms in the kickstarter were not relevant anymore.
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  15. #10815
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Don't be mad at people because they like a game you don't. Maybe find another game to be enthusiastic about and go post in that thread instead of feeding of miserabilism for the sake of coping with the fact that this game is not for you anymore.
    AKA "If you don't like it fuck off, we've got your money already so screw you...." that sounds about right for CIG and their company men.

  16. #10816
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Don't be mad at people because they like a game you don't. Maybe find another game to be enthusiastic about and go post in that thread instead of feeding of miserabilism for the sake of coping with the fact that this game is not for you anymore.
    Many people provided money based on promises, projections and a schedule that have been revamped, changed, delayed, etc.... meaning they backed because CIG said "X" and now they're saying "Y" ...... that's not OK.

    So saying people should "do their homework" regarding their pledges..... they did (some at least) and the game is not living up to the expectations the developers set for themselves.

    I'm not debating that game development is full of uncertainties, but that shouldn't allow for a free for all kind of thing where the company asking for money can just change things up, not deliver on promises, change what promises they make and then basically make no promises that the money people provide will even amount to the game they backed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    It stated it in the kickstarter the risks and challenges that they would aim to make the game they wanted but would settle on a different version if the money was not enough.

    There was also a vote to change the scope of the game that the community kept giving money until just before 2015 so the game grew larger over 2 years because the community wanted more. The community agreed to the change in the game so the origional terms in the kickstarter were not relevant anymore.
    The community, at large, yes....but not everybody. The "not everybody" part is what matters here.

  17. #10817
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    The community, at large, yes....but not everybody. The "not everybody" part is what matters here.
    kickstarter backers could get a refund if they wanted so if you were not happy then there would of been a time to claim your money back, if you waited too long then you would not of been following the game that much and it would be your fault if you were outside any refund requirements.
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  18. #10818
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Many people provided money based on promises, projections and a schedule that have been revamped, changed, delayed, etc.... meaning they backed because CIG said "X" and now they're saying "Y" ...... that's not OK.

    So saying people should "do their homework" regarding their pledges..... they did (some at least) and the game is not living up to the expectations the developers set for themselves.

    I'm not debating that game development is full of uncertainties, but that shouldn't allow for a free for all kind of thing where the company asking for money can just change things up, not deliver on promises, change what promises they make and then basically make no promises that the money people provide will even amount to the game they backed.

    The community, at large, yes....but not everybody. The "not everybody" part is what matters here.
    That's all true as it is irrelevant because all that matters in the grand scheme of things is the big picture. And the big picture showcases the grand majority of the backers supports CIG decision as the constant growth in funding and players show year after year.

    Companies and products can only succeed for years on end and thrive by getting more things right than wrong. Doesn't matter how loud the disgruntled ones cry and rage as long they are a minority the company is going in the right path because it's factually proven that you can't please everyone.
    That's what most haters fail to realise and get over with, they don't matter in the big picture and realising that makes them feel bad inside. It's text book pathological angry gamer behaviour:


    Understanding the Angry Gamer

    One thing I’ve noticed is that, within the gaming community, there are always the really angry gamers. Extremely vocal gamers who are vehemently angry with a developer about things. It is usually because of some design decision or implementation about the game that just rubbed some of the players the wrong way. And boy, do gamers love to hold grudges.



    If you work on games, you too will probably see them at some point. Hopefully you won’t have to deal with them directly - that’s what community management is for. But it always helps to understand your player base, because it helps to translate the things they say into actual useful feedback.

    The important thing to remember is that, first and foremost, angry gamers are, in actuality, deeply engaged fans of the game. They aren’t angry because they don’t care, they are angry because they love the game. They are deeply, deeply invested in it - to the point that they want to feel some measure of ownership of it. When they are not angry, they will happily try to engage with the developers and other fans of the game, they love the game so much that they will try to engage with it beyond the confines of the game itself - online message boards, chat rooms, blogs, streams, twitter, fan fiction, fan art, fan design, and so on. And when the developers solicit feedback, it’s like crack to an addict - they feel special, like they are part of something bigger than themselves.



    It’s also why they feel so damn offended when things don’t go their way. It doesn’t matter what X is - it could be a design decision, it could be a plot decision, it could be bugs, it could be technology, it could be just about anything. But regardless of what X is, somebody is going to care very much about X and the decision the developers make regarding X will be the opposite of what this somebody wants. This is inevitable - some people will want X while others will abhor the very thought of X, and the developers will need to make a decision one way or the other, thereby causing anger from the disenfranchised. But it makes them feel terrible because they want what they think is best for the product, and it’s extremely frustrating when the developers are taking the clearly wrong choice.



    When a player who is this invested in the game doesn’t get his or her way, it’s like a shock to the system. These players are now faced with an awful truth - they are not actually a part of the development process, no matter how many developer streams they watched or developer forum responses they got. They do not really have much ownership beyond being one customer among literally millions. They are not part of something larger than themselves, no matter how much they wish it were otherwise. And they may have to face the realization that there might not be the perfect game for them tailored to exactly their wants and desires, but someone else might get what they want instead.
    Games man... they hit you right in the feelz.
    Last edited by MrAnderson; 2020-07-22 at 05:47 PM.

  19. #10819
    As was put forth earlier, because your sentiment towards Star Citizen is so emotionally charged, you believe it must also be true for those offering critiques.

    Curiously, do you have a meme page for shills and/or whiteknights?

  20. #10820
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Don't be mad at people because they like a game you don't. Maybe find another game to be enthusiastic about and go post in that thread instead of feeding of miserabilism for the sake of coping with the fact that this game is not for you anymore.
    Translation: Stop posting in this thread, I don't like it when you talk bad about my "game". Let me post some more financial information and call people haters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    AKA "If you don't like it fuck off, we've got your money already so screw you...." that sounds about right for CIG and their company men.
    Basically. If they keep taking in so much money from the cash shop and outside investors then they should refund people who aren't pleased with the game taking 8+ years. But nahhhhh that'll never happen. They gonna keep kicking the can down the road. The game is coming. One day. Maybe your kids will get to play it after you die of old age while waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    It's text book pathological angry gamer behavior.
    You do realize that many people in this thread that have different opinions than you aren't angry? Some of these posters have no financial horse in this race. We're talking in a forum about a video game in development. We aren't banging on the doors of CiG with pitchforks and signs. This is one of the main reasons this thread has been such a disaster, because you won't discuss the game in a civil manner. You just love to attack the other side by labeling them.

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