1. #11321
    It's clearly a cash cow and idiots have spent money on it and are desperately trying to defend their spending.

    IDC what you spend your money on and I'm not an idiot.
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  2. #11322
    Quote Originally Posted by willtron View Post
    It's clearly a cash cow and idiots have spent money on it and are desperately trying to defend their spending.

    IDC what you spend your money on and I'm not an idiot.
    It's pretty impressive though that a guy managed to find a way to sell people their own dreams. He's had a decade of an awesome salary, personal chefs etc.

    This year we'll be 10 years in and still don't have the SP game.

    Only the biggest fanatics will pretend that this is okay or was always the marketed plan. Anyone can see that this project is one of the biggest failures ever in everything except funding.

  3. #11323
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    Check back 200 pages, the same fucking people on nearly the same argument. Good times.
    200 pages and many years. It's hard to know which of this or the next GRRM book will come out. If any of them do.

  4. #11324
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    It's cute that you didn't even realised that while you were trying to play me you got played. Gave you just enough rope and you did the rest, all I had to do was tie the knot by "coincidently" finding a video that exposed your lies while exposing again your true deceitful colours.
    Haha, I cannot believe you are resorting to the "you didn't play me, I played you" defense. That is so embarrassing.

    Anyway, there's this old lady who lives a few doors down from me, she's got one of those small yappy dogs, you know the ones I mean? Always yapping away like it's got something to prove to anything that walks by. You remind me of that dog, yap yap yap yap yap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtron View Post
    It's clearly a cash cow and idiots have spent money on it and are desperately trying to defend their spending.

    IDC what you spend your money on and I'm not an idiot.
    There's nothing idiotic about supporting a genre that the gaming industry as a whole, effectively abandoned in favour of WW2 shooters and garbage battle royale and arena shooters. Hindsight is what it is though, it was a cool idea at the time because gaming was looking to go through a renaissance of sorts back around 2014 and space sims seemed to be the genre that studios were interested in exploring. Of course, I think for the people who really followed Chris Roberts history as a developer, they ignored that history in hopes that they'd get the game that he never truly could make working for big publishers. Unfortunately for him and his army of loyalists, all the freedom and he doesn't have a ton to show for it several years later. Had he just stuck with making Squadron 42 as a single player game, created all the assets and mechanics for the game first, at least they'd have something more tangible, rather than trying to drive the MMO aspect of the game while the in-game assets aren't even 100% completed.

  6. #11326
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    There's nothing idiotic about supporting a genre that the gaming industry as a whole, effectively abandoned in favour of WW2 shooters and garbage battle royale and arena shooters. Hindsight is what it is though, it was a cool idea at the time because gaming was looking to go through a renaissance of sorts back around 2014 and space sims seemed to be the genre that studios were interested in exploring. Of course, I think for the people who really followed Chris Roberts history as a developer, they ignored that history in hopes that they'd get the game that he never truly could make working for big publishers. Unfortunately for him and his army of loyalists, all the freedom and he doesn't have a ton to show for it several years later. Had he just stuck with making Squadron 42 as a single player game, created all the assets and mechanics for the game first, at least they'd have something more tangible, rather than trying to drive the MMO aspect of the game while the in-game assets aren't even 100% completed.
    Yes, at the time of the kickstarter spending money on this made complete sense.
    Now... not so much.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  7. #11327
    I can't stop laughing at this. After 12 years, they have nothing but a meager tech demo, it would take several hundred millions and a few years more to salvage this train wreck. The studio won't survive this long, that's for sure.

  8. #11328
    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    I can't stop laughing at this. After 12 years, they have nothing but a meager tech demo, it would take several hundred millions and a few years more to salvage this train wreck. The studio won't survive this long, that's for sure.
    Think that's what happens if you let a perfectionist lead the project.
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    Ok so on Dec. 23rd 2020 CIG released the new Roadmap/details of it and an FAQ for it ( here are the links https://robertsspaceindustries.com/c...mber-23rd-2020 and https://robertsspaceindustries.com/s...dmap-quick-faq ). Well here we are 1 month later and 9 days left in Jan. 2021, who wants to place bets they miss targets again especially this rather important 1 that the MMO part of the game hinges on,

    "Where is iCache/Server Meshing?
    As mentioned in the Roadmap Roundup, what is still missing on the Roadmap is our Core Tech Group, which is comprised of 9 teams working on iCache and Server Meshing, as well as AI, Network, Graphics, and Engine. We plan to add our Core Tech Group to the Progress Tracker in January."

    Who is brave enough to bet we get any meaningful info like they say in the next 9 days?

  10. #11330
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    Haha, I cannot believe you are resorting to the "you didn't play me, I played you" defense. That is so embarrassing.

    Anyway, there's this old lady who lives a few doors down from me, she's got one of those small yappy dogs, you know the ones I mean? Always yapping away like it's got something to prove to anything that walks by. You remind me of that dog, yap yap yap yap yap...
    Pointing out that you felt the need to lie to save face about your ignorance is not defending anything. And the only embarrassment was your ego pushing you to resort to lying, exposing your true deceitful nature for such an irrelevant and meaningless post. Congratulations, you played yourself.

  11. #11331
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Pointing out that you felt the need to lie to save face about your ignorance is not defending anything. And the only embarrassment was your ego pushing you to resort to lying, exposing your true deceitful nature for such an irrelevant and meaningless post. Congratulations, you played yourself.
    As mostly a spectator, I think there are literally no people in this thread, that think anyone but you is getting played. Even the people that think this product will eventually be delivered, probably don't think anyone but you is getting played. You have elevated the "No you" argument to the absolute pinnacle of art, but nothing you have said actually amounts to more than "No you!". If anything, you keep playing yourself in every response to anyone else. If your online persona is even remotely like your real life one, you have to be the ultimate narcissist.

  12. #11332
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    As mostly a spectator, I think there are literally no people in this thread, that think anyone but you is getting played. Even the people that think this product will eventually be delivered, probably don't think anyone but you is getting played. You have elevated the "No you" argument to the absolute pinnacle of art, but nothing you have said actually amounts to more than "No you!". If anything, you keep playing yourself in every response to anyone else. If your online persona is even remotely like your real life one, you have to be the ultimate narcissist.
    When you're ignorant it's easy to side with the ignorants. Helps you relate with something and pass the time but doesn't do much to contribute to the actual game thread. The fact that you feel the need to post something so irrelevant and call on narcissist while being exactly that just showcases how deluded and out of touch you are, probably just bored.

  13. #11333
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    When you're ignorant it's easy to side with the ignorants. Helps you relate with something and pass the time but doesn't do much to contribute to the actual game thread. The fact that you feel the need to post something so irrelevant and call on narcissist while being exactly that just showcases how deluded and out of touch you are, probably just bored.
    Oh I'm definitely less bored when reading this thread, but I think it would help the overall discussion if you didn't call them liars, but disproved their position with, you know, facts. "You're lying" is a very weak argument. If I were you I would grab a mirror and just relax a bit. If you think that the current product is representative of ..what is it..9 years? of development and you feel that the developers arguments are solid reasoning, then that's great. I think the game is a total hoax, but I'm not saying that it is, I'm saying I think it is. You won't convince anyone about anything if you just keep calling them liars.

  14. #11334
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    Oh I'm definitely less bored when reading this thread, but I think it would help the overall discussion if you didn't call them liars, but disproved their position with, you know, facts. "You're lying" is a very weak argument. If I were you I would grab a mirror and just relax a bit. If you think that the current product is representative of ..what is it..9 years? of development and you feel that the developers arguments are solid reasoning, then that's great. I think the game is a total hoax, but I'm not saying that it is, I'm saying I think it is. You won't convince anyone about anything if you just keep calling them liars.
    Well if you were paying attention I did just that in this post and the poster himself admitted lying in his post:
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    Such devasting lies!
    I must admit I said that in the hope of prompting you into providing evidence to substantiate your own claim. A rather basic requirement for general discourse.
    And, again, pointing out lies or misconceptions about a subject is not trying to convince or defending anything. It's just stating simple facts. Instead of skimming through the thread and jumping into attacks out of boredom maybe try to read about the issue at hand first.

  15. #11335
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Well if you were paying attention I did just that in this post and the poster himself admitted lying in his post:


    And, again, pointing out lies or misconceptions about a subject is not trying to convince or defending anything. It's just stating simple facts. Instead of skimming through the thread and jumping into attacks out of boredom maybe try to read about the issue at hand first.
    A statement of fact, is something along the lines of 2 + 2 = 4.

    Claiming someone is lying, suggests intent. In other words, someone is willingly manipulating facts to make something appear to be what it is not. That needs more than just a statement on your part. You need to prove that they are lying. Now, the other party could be saying something that is incorrect, but that doesn't substantiate a claim that they are aware of that.

    And the quote you posted is in no way the same as someone lying ............
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  16. #11336
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    A statement of fact, is something along the lines of 2 + 2 = 4.

    Claiming someone is lying, suggests intent. In other words, someone is willingly manipulating facts to make something appear to be what it is not. That needs more than just a statement on your part. You need to prove that they are lying. Now, the other party could be saying something that is incorrect, but that doesn't substantiate a claim that they are aware of that.

    And the quote you posted is in no way the same as someone lying ............
    Well there was intent and there was admission of lying but only after being exposed to be wrong.
    This is the lie:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    I checked with a couple of streamers and they confirmed it's 40 people per server. So no wonder you are unwilling to post any proof.
    After I posted proof and exposed it's lie:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    I must admit I said that in the hope of prompting you into providing evidence to substantiate your own claim.
    Something you would know if you actually read the whole posting instead of just skimming through the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antipathy1018 View Post
    Ok so on Dec. 23rd 2020 CIG released the new Roadmap/details...
    Bro, any time I see "Star Citizen roadmap" it reminds me of Fallout 76 "roadmaps.

    Seems like "ROADMAP" is another term for "so I need more cash, here is an ambiguous map I made for more money. Give me money."

  18. #11338
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Pointing out that you felt the need to lie to save face about your ignorance is not defending anything. And the only embarrassment was your ego pushing you to resort to lying, exposing your true deceitful nature for such an irrelevant and meaningless post. Congratulations, you played yourself.
    My goodness, are you seriously still banging on about this? Getting tricked into providing some proof has really got to you...

    And now you want to repeat your version of events continuously in some lame attempt to portray me as a big, bad evil liar

    So, for posterity lets recount....
    I said that as far as I know server count was 40 players, I outlined my reasons and linked some patch notes which contributed to me coming to that conclusion.
    You said "No, uh huh" and then resorted to insults and edgy quips when asked to provide something to support your assertions. Doubling down more than once on this with nonsensical comments like "I am a real player of the game and therefore I am an authority on the matter..."
    So, in an effort to get you to do the bare minimum in supporting your claim I said that a couple of streamers told me it was 40.

    Cue much frothing at the mouth over many days and many pages...

    Holy hell. I know it burns but you'll live dude.

    Yap yap!
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  19. #11339
    Quote Originally Posted by 1001 View Post
    I said that a couple of streamers told me it was 40.
    Which was a lie and I pointed out and then you admitted. No harm done, you were wrong I was right, move on then.

  20. #11340
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAnderson View Post
    Which was a lie and I pointed out and then you admitted. No harm done, you were wrong I was right, move on then.
    Were you there when he questioned these streamers? I don't think so. Could it have been a made up story? Maybe. You don't know that either. There is nothing you can say to prove that is a truth or a lie because it is one person saying "Someone told me X". Unless you were in that chatroom and saw the answer you don't know what they were told.

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