[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Kyanion]

Does the Genshin Impact thread also has posters who obsessively hate the game and it's predatory gambling mechanics so much that they feel the need to post negatively about the game for years on end?

The point is none of the threads on MMOc have 100% blind defenders of a topic, even the most ardent white knight diehards for wow on these forums can acknowledge faults with the game that have happened or are happening.

Predatory gambling mechanics = multiple thousands of dollars ships

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Indeed I am, but what does that got to do with how many subs youtubers have?

Woosh? I mean come on, really?

[kenn9530]

TIL the entirety of No Man's Sky is a "hand made" game since they created all the baseline assets and textures by hand. Weird that the developers, Hello Games, continue to describe their game and market it as a game that's procedurally generated.

Have you reached out to Sean Murphy to tell him that he's been wrong about his game for like, a decade?

I mean, I wrote an email skeleton earlier today and then made a bunch of copies of it so I could replace folks names. Were each one of those emails "hand crafted" because I wrote the initial text before copying it? Does me replacing their name at the top make them "hand crafted" despite the fact that I haven't touched any of the other text within?

In star citizen the devs do work in every single location, they place the assets and blend it all in, its not just automatically placed, the terrain is not automatically generated either the devs sculpt it using the tools provided, nothing in SC is completely procedural generated currently, it requires devs to do much of the work, the tools just make it so its much faster.

NMS is hands off and automatically generated, the same as minecraft, 2 completely different things

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nothing in SC is completely procedural generated currently it requires devs to do much of the work, the tools just make it so its much faster.

The bolded word is doing a lot of heavy lifting for this statement. Which is, finally, accurate. It's not completely procedurally generated, but they lean on procedural generation tools to effectively use their time by not needing to make all these planets by hand. Which is how you framed it before, they're not "hand made", they're "Procedurally generated and touched up by hand".

[Kyanion]

the tools just make it so its much faster.

So not hand crafted. Got it. Keep trying to twist reality to suit your world view, it won't work though.

[kenn9530]

The bolded word is doing a lot of heavy lifting for this statement. Which is, finally, accurate. It's not completely procedurally generated, but they lean on procedural generation tools to effectively use their time by not needing to make all these planets by hand. Which is how you framed it before, they're not "hand made", they're "Procedurally generated and touched up by hand".

The planets are still handmade, they use tools to do large areas but its still done by hand, all the assets are built and placed by hand, nothing is just automatically done without any devs doing work on it, if they just pressed a button and didnt do anything afterwards then its not handmade, but they do lots of work afterwards to design the world and locations, thats as handmade as you can get in a video game.

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The planets are still handmade

And we're back to square one again. You were so close to getting it, dude.

[Kyanion]

The planets are still handmade, they use tools to do large areas

Then they ARE NOT HANDMADE! Yay!

[qwerty123456]

Again, you're letting emotions blind you as my posts are both informative and contextual to the many discussions in the thread.

This is a thread about Star Citizen, not my posting and it's not fault of mine that the thread seems to attract so many posters that just barge in and start attacking the game and the players that enjoy it because of whatever reason. If you don't like posters correcting misinformation or giving news about a game and much prefer that the thread would be just another cess pit of drama and negativity then it is you who have a problem.

Does the Genshin Impact thread also has posters who obsessively hate the game and it's predatory gambling mechanics so much that they feel the need to post negatively about the game for years on end?

I mean, while I despise any kind of mobile/gacha games and think it's art style ridiculous I would never feel the need to go to the Genshin Thread and tell it's players they are all idiots for playing it or try to silence those who enjoy discussing about whatever new item they come up with to sell more loot boxes to kids.

Now imagine acting like that, for years.

With that said, I hope you have as much fun playing Genshin as I do playing Star Citizen.

Maybe you should take a look at yourself lol. Your post wasn't informative it was dismissive.


As far as I know only one person has consistently came into the thread to bash it and far as I am aware they seem to be banned as I haven't seen them the last few pages. And people correcting you and kens misinformation doesn't mean they are haters. Hell look how many posts people have been explaining handcrafted to him.

Literally the only correcting you ever do is if Val forgets a decimal point and rounds down or some shit just so you can dismiss all of the rest of his posts when he's the only one that actually gives out any information other than the promotional videos you do or the occasional answer to proskill if Val hasn't already answered him.

No the Genshin Impact thread doesn't because they don't have people constantly lying out thier asses. They do however get in the occasional heated debate with one another. Funny how you try to shit on Genshins monetization (which I don't like btw) while promoting a game that sells thousand dollar ships they never work on while selling new ships.

Nobody is telling people they are idiots for playing the game. There are people calling out liars who have invested so heavily into the game they can't go a single page without lying or attacking someone that has an negative opinion about something however.

I don't currently play Genshin I used it as an example of a game a thousand times more popular not having fanatics trying to trick people into playing and saying "everything's fine those other guys who say you occasionally blow up for no reason and t-posing npcs are common are lying even though they have videos to back it up". Literally no other thread has someone straight up trying to lie about the definition of something and having 5 other people including a mod explain to them and show them evidence that they are wrong for 16 pages. The only comparable thing I can think of is the Tinkerman who is so obsessed it takes banning to calm him down.

[Kyanion]

Does the Genshin Impact thread also has posters who obsessively hate the game and it's predatory gambling mechanics

Funny how you try to shit on Genshins monetization (which I don't like btw) while promoting a game that sells thousand dollar ships they never work on while selling new ships.

The irony of him attacking Genshin's gacha model (which I hate too) is funny when he then tries to not mention the insane cost of ships in a game that in many cases aren't even IN the game yet or are bugged beyond belief or the things the ships are FOR aren't in the game yet.

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I mean, while I despise any kind of mobile/gacha games and think it's art style ridiculous I would never feel the need to go to the Genshin Thread and tell it's players they are all idiots for playing it or try to silence those who enjoy discussing about whatever new item they come up with to sell more loot boxes to kids.

Wtf? I get that art is subjective, but I find the art and music to be so well done that this take really surprises me.

[Proskill]

Ballistic weapons were buffed for damage but reduced in ammo so I'm now going full energy weapons so that I don't have to keep going back to the station to rearm.
I go with full fixed setup with Size 3 CF-Panthers for the wings and Size 4 CF-Rhino for the nose.

ballistic weapons still suck. 250 rounds for the default gatling gun on titan is a single VLRT mission with my tracking skills and poor PC performance. inb4 ballistic guns are made for pvp, not pve. yeah, i know, but i thought ammo count will get increased after 3.14.

anyway, nothing better out there than the default power plant and coolers? especially for energy repeaters? i still dont know how to do the loadout myself, what to look for etc.

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bought some ship equipment in port olisar, then moved to hur l5 to buy some more there, and then finally to hur l2 where i wanted to equip them all at once just to find out all of the assets stay in station they were bought in.
its an inconvienience im actually happy for.

but holy shit, starmap is such an abomination. they could rework the thing that all of the players use at every moment of the gameplay. its absolutely atrocious, and its in the same state since i first booted up star citizen in april 2019

[MrAnderson]

Maybe you should take a look at yourself lol. Your post wasn't informative it was dismissive.

Well it's a pity you think that way. I believe you're letting your emotions getting in the way though as there's clearly pertinent information in them and that I make the effort to give visual examples of what's stated.

I think you're still too invested in being angry and "fighting a war" that you'll never win, because it's mostly happening in your head. When one becomes so adamant in picking fights that posting cool screenshots or videos about a game in the it's own thread is seen as a bad thing or that pointing out incorrect information or adding new one is "defending/attacking" the poster/game then one is not really interested in gaming anymore. Just looking for reasons to pick fights.

No the Genshin Impact thread doesn't because they don't have people constantly lying out thier asses.

I envy them, less time going in circles about meaningless stuff or wasting time correcting the same misconceptions for the 100th time and more actual gaming discussion.

As far as my posts "tricking people into buying Star Citizen" I think you're really really giving them too much credit but if you're so bothered with them I'd say you're best option would be to use the ignore button. When you're ready to talk about gaming, play strategies, loadouts, future updates etc I'll be glad to engage, I'm sure deep down all that rancour there's a gamer willing enjoy the good sides of gaming.

The irony of him attacking Genshin's gacha model (which I hate too) is funny when he then tries to not mention the insane cost of ships in a game that in many cases aren't even IN the game yet or are bugged beyond belief or the things the ships are FOR aren't in the game yet.

There's quite a difference between the gacha/mobile model (loot boxes aka gambling) and the crowdfunding.

There's a reason why Belgium banned such games and other countries are tightening up the rules about them and their accessibility to children.
For perspective, Genshin Impact generated 2$Billions in it's first year alone.

Wtf? I get that art is subjective, but I find the art and music to be so well done that this take really surprises me.

I should've been more specific, I was referring to the anime art style of the characters not the game world which is really well made.

ballistic weapons still suck. 250 rounds for the default gatling gun on titan is a single VLRT mission with my tracking skills and poor PC performance. inb4 ballistic guns are made for pvp, not pve. yeah, i know, but i thought ammo count will get increased after 3.14.

anyway, nothing better out there than the default power plant and coolers? especially for energy repeaters? i still dont know how to do the loadout myself, what to look for etc.

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bought some ship equipment in port olisar, then moved to hur l5 to buy some more there, and then finally to hur l2 where i wanted to equip them all at once just to find out all of the assets stay in station they were bought in.
its an inconvienience im actually happy for.

but holy shit, starmap is such an abomination. they could rework the thing that all of the players use at every moment of the gameplay. its absolutely atrocious, and its in the same state since i first booted up star citizen in april 2019

The items were shown in the setup image I posted before:

You can find all items in https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ which is Star Citizen's WoWhead.

Yeah ballistic still suck now for PVE, and even for PVP if you get into long skirmishes and tanky ships. Starmap indeed is due to a reform, it's probably the most outdated feature ingame right now. I think it's been mostly untouched since the PU released.

About procedural generation talk:
I think mostly everyone is right and wrong in their own way. The back and forth is because they're talking about the same subject but about different things.
Mixing the act of artists using tools with procedural algorithms to generate terrain for example. To "seeds" that generate their game worlds automatically based on math parameters.

Games rely heavily procedural generation are easy to spot because of the numbers. If a game has "infinite" "billions" "millions
of anything (worlds, creatures, weapons etc). It's using procedural generation to make them. Doesn't mean the assets used to compose them weren't hand crafted. Just that a procedural algorithm was used to generate and assemble them automatically within a set pre-defined parameters.

Diablo used procedural generation to randomize it's map and dungeons. Minecraft and Valheim do it to generate their worlds. The most recent examples came with space exploration games. NMS and Elite. Using math to generate billions of combinations of a set of assets. Creating planets generated with an algorithm to explore without having the game occupying thousands of gigs in size. NMS when released on Steam was like only 2GB in size but only 300mb was the code to generate the universe, the rest was Audio the UI.

[Proskill]

The items were shown in the setup image I posted before:

thats what i mean. endurance and bracers are default titan modules. isnt there anything better that i can upgrade to?

[MrAnderson]

thats what i mean. endurance and bracers are default titan modules. isnt there anything better that i can upgrade to?

Besides the weapons I don't think anything else is really is worth the change in PVE. Maybe change the QuantumDrive for the Atlas or Voyage for faster travelling between tween targets. You've already know it but erkul.games is the right tool if you're into the min-max thing.

[Proskill]

Besides the weapons I don't think anything else is really is worth the change in PVE. Maybe change the QuantumDrive for the Atlas or Voyage for faster travelling between tween targets. You've already know it but erkul.games is the right tool if you're into the min-max thing.

ive got atlas. ive changed everything except for the power plant and coolers. thanks anyway.

and i gotta say im loving the atmospheric bounties. its nice to fly in different environments and seeing something else beside dark vastness of space and asteroids.

[qwerty123456]

Well it's a pity you think that way. I believe you're letting your emotions getting in the way though as there's clearly pertinent information in them and that I make the effort to give visual examples of what's stated.

I think you're still too invested in being angry and "fighting a war" that you'll never win, because it's mostly happening in your head. When one becomes so adamant in picking fights that posting cool screenshots or videos about a game in the it's own thread is seen as a bad thing or that pointing out incorrect information or adding new one is "defending/attacking" the poster/game then one is not really interested in gaming anymore. Just looking for reasons to pick fights.



I envy them, less time going in circles about meaningless stuff or wasting time correcting the same misconceptions for the 100th time and more actual gaming discussion.

As far as my posts "tricking people into buying Star Citizen" I think you're really really giving them too much credit but if you're so bothered with them I'd say you're best option would be to use the ignore button. When you're ready to talk about gaming, play strategies, loadouts, future updates etc I'll be glad to engage, I'm sure deep down all that rancour there's a gamer willing enjoy the good sides of gaming.



There's quite a difference between the gacha/mobile model (loot boxes aka gambling) and the crowdfunding.

There's a reason why Belgium banned such games and other countries are tightening up the rules about them and their accessibility to children.
For perspective, Genshin Impact generated 2$Billions in it's first year alone.



I should've been more specific, I was referring to the anime art style of the characters not the game world which is really well made.

How is dismissing someones entire post being informative? Its funny how you keep bringing emotion into it when you cant say a single bad thing about the game.

Again you try to dismiss and insult instead of actually responding. It just shows how correct I am.

Proskill bought the game because of you. You seriously don't think anyone else did? Atleast he likes it still I wonder if we search through the thread how many people bought the game and regret it?

Yes theres a difference between gacha delivering the products they sell (in a shitty lottery system) and selling people products then not delivering them for years on end while you sell other products. https://kotaku.com/star-citizen-gets...hat-1847635638 Hmmm....... I wonder how you spin this? "It doesn't count cause its one agency and not a whole country!" "They are ignorant and don't understand anything!"

Genshin Impact generated 2 Billion from a fuck ton of more players than Star Citizen has too. Should we check twitch numbers to see which is more popular again?


So you hate an entire art style? Just curious but why?

[MrAnderson]

How is dismissing someones entire post being informative? Its funny how you keep bringing emotion into it when you cant say a single bad thing about the game.
Again you try to dismiss and insult instead of actually responding. It just shows how correct I am.
Proskill bought the game because of you. You seriously don't think anyone else did? Atleast he likes it still I wonder if we search through the thread how many people bought the game and regret it?
Yes theres a difference between gacha delivering the products they sell (in a shitty lottery system) and selling people products then not delivering them for years on end while you sell other products. https://kotaku.com/star-citizen-gets...hat-1847635638 Hmmm....... I wonder how you spin this? "It doesn't count cause its one agency and not a whole country!" "They are ignorant and don't understand anything!"
Genshin Impact generated 2 Billion from a fuck ton of more players than Star Citizen has too. Should we check twitch numbers to see which is more popular again?
So you hate an entire art style? Just curious but why?

We already been there.

Had to go back to understand what you were referring to. That post was so out of wack that I felt it was best ignored as the poster clearly was in a altered emotional state at that time. His post went from straight to the insults and then a long tirade of judgment about things he clearly had no clue about. When on mobile and at work some posters aren't really worthy the reply.

I'm in no way obliged to waste time with people I feel not worthy, although I sometimes make exceptions. Besides, Val did a pretty good job in obliging the poster with the information he needed and he happily went about his day. Somehow you got offended in his place, because again, emotions and all that.

I didn't knew @Proskill bought the game because of me? Can we get a confirmation? Anyone else? Any regrets?

Not sure what you want me to spin of that kotaku article or how it relates with Gacha tactics? Some bright chap who somehow had troubles understanding the meaning of the word "Concept" sent an email to some UK entity complaining that said word wasn't enough understand the meaning of concept. Entity reported it to CIG who then added a few more words. Riveting stuff.

Yes free-2-play gacha/mobile games will always be more popular than space sim games for obvious reasons.
Kinda like how Hamburgers will always be more popular than Caviar.

So you hate an entire art style? Just curious but why?

I don't hate it. Being more into realism/sims/gritty games the juvenile stuff isn't that appealing.

ive got atlas. ive changed everything except for the power plant and coolers. thanks anyway.

and i gotta say im loving the atmospheric bounties. its nice to fly in different environments and seeing something else beside dark vastness of space and asteroids.

Yeah atmospheric bounties do bring a nice change of scenery, except when they are in the darkside of the planet and you forget to check the altimeter. :]

[Proskill]

I didn't knew @Proskill bought the game because of me? Can we get a confirmation? Anyone else? Any regrets?

nah, i didnt buy the game because of anyone on this forum or any other for that matter.
i think i first bought the game then joined this thread, or maybe asked a few questions before buying on how to buy etc
cant remember, but im sure some ppl can go back to my first posts in this thread no problem

anyway, i joined star citizen community (2019) when the game was already quite controversial, so i knew what i was getting into. because of that im cool-headed about it and have a different point of view at it, but i can totally understand why old time backers are dissapointed with it it if not 'betrayed'. i mean, im also not getting that which was promised xddd

i still like to think about star citizen as the 'ultimate MMO' for me. great graphics, first person perspective, economy like in EVE Online etc etc.
still a lot must come to fruition first, but im patient, and try to enjoy what is out there already released to the public.

i know politicians are liars, i know game devs are liars, but i want to believe that SC funding method, not being dependant on investors and time constraints, will make for a truly unique and well developed game in the end, no matter how long it will take.

[qwerty123456]

We already been there.



I'm in no way obliged to waste time with people I feel not worthy, although I sometimes make exceptions. Besides, Val did a pretty good job in obliging the poster with the information he needed and he happily went about his day. Somehow you got offended in his place, because again, emotions and all that.

I didn't knew @Proskill bought the game because of me? Can we get a confirmation? Anyone else? Any regrets?

Not sure what you want me to spin of that kotaku article or how it relates with Gacha tactics? Some bright chap who somehow had troubles understanding the meaning of the word "Concept" sent an email to some UK entity complaining that said word wasn't enough understand the meaning of concept. Entity reported it to CIG who then added a few more words. Riveting stuff.

Yes free-2-play gacha/mobile games will always be more popular than space sim games for obvious reasons.
Kinda like how Hamburgers will always be more popular than Caviar.


I don't hate it. Being more into realism/sims/gritty games the juvenile stuff isn't that appealing.

There was no altered emotional state. You just claim emotion anytime someone has a criticism and yet you have been banned tons of time for getting emotional "defending" the game. You do properly defend the actual facts sometimes but the majority of the time you just insult people or try changing topics and ignoring it if its something you have absolutely no defense for. And again I ask you why couldn't you come up with anything to say bad about the game? There are plenty of things that anyone but a fanatic could complain about like server size, maybe a ship you bought 5 years ago that never came out, or just different types of bugs that either end up getting you killed or that just ruin your immersive experience and yet you couldn't. You and I both know the game is far from perfect and yet you love everything. Whose the real person being emotional here? I thought you were different from Ken and could actually be reasoned with instead of just responding "no lol thats not true whats in my head is true" so this will be my last post on the mattter.

I'm wrong about Proskill. Just looked and he's been posting far longer than I thought. I thought he was the person who I wanna say was posting afew months ago? ?
I assumed it was him since he usually has a lot of different questions about the game. My bad.

Lol I knew you would try and spin it in CIGS defense.
They wouldn't have changed anything if there wasn't anything wrong with it.

Calling an artstyle juvenile while playing videogames... Ok lol. Also there are plenty of Anime/hentai that are Adult only with Mature themes.

Also off topic but anyone ever have problems replying here? I just had a bug or something where my cursor text line was behind the letter I was typing and other weird shit. Seems fine now in my edit of the post.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

anyone ever have problems replying here? I just had a bug or something where my cursor text line was behind the letter I was typing and other weird shit. Seems fine now in my edit of the post.

I don't recall having seen it happen on MMO-C before, but I have seen it happen when replying on other internet forums.