[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Surfd]

there is a reason why no games like star citizen exist and thats because other companies cant do it.

This is a rather bold claim, considering you have absolutely no way to back it up.

I mean, the guys behind EvE could probably do everything SC does if they wanted to. Maybe there's a reason they haven't? I mean, you do realize that the EvE team already has: "EvE" the full feature MMO space game, "Dust" a full feature FPS ground game, and "Valkyrie" a full feature Dogfight Space game. Literally the only thing SC does is roll that into one "seamless" package. Pretty sure that if the EvE team wanted to, they could pull something similar off. Likely the only reason they don't want to is because it would effectively kill the current EvE MMO, and they have no reason to kill something that's still incredibly popular and profitable.

[Kyanion]

there will be a released version of the game that is just fact

Can you see into the future? You can not prove this.

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You really are just a collection of programmed "arguments," aren't you? If in doubt, fall back on which ever might make most sense at the time

Doesn't really foster good faith discussion.

Yeah like this quote walls people dug up from years of him calling things 'BS' or the same repeated arguments. He has to change the names of games as they release though, like before they used to conjure up unreleased games like Cyberpunk and even RDR2.

It does seem like an AI with pre-canned responses to fire up when needed, like customer support bots.

[Surfd]

there will be a released version of the game that is just fact

This statement is rather amusing, considering that the game is currently multiple years behind it's original "release" date and counting. I mean, at this point, you are basically just worshipping on the altar of "sunk cost fallacy". It's totally going to release "eventually"!! Just give them a few more years. They will totally release it then! I mean, they only have half a billion dollars in crowd funded resources and a buggy "playable alpha" they can use to milk the playerbase for more money to show for it, but really, it's totally going to release a full version some day. You'll see! Some day!

[Val the Moofia Boss]

has Chris Roberts really been MIA for a year now?

The last time Chris Roberts poked his head up was during the 2020 Roadmap to a Roadmap fiasco. Since then, the visible public figureheads of CIG are Tony Zurovec and Jared Huckaby.

[Kyanion]

This statement is rather amusing, considering that the game is currently multiple years behind it's original "release" date and counting. I mean, at this point, you are basically just worshipping on the altar of "sunk cost fallacy". It's totally going to release "eventually"!! Just give them a few more years. They will totally release it then! I mean, they only have half a billion dollars in crowd funded resources and a buggy "playable alpha" they can use to milk the playerbase for more money to show for it, but really, it's totally going to release a full version some day. You'll see! Some day!

I mean it gets sadder when you consider he was using the same defenses in 2016 if not before then.

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The last time Chris Roberts poked his head up was during the 2020 Roadmap to a Roadmap fiasco. Since then, the visible public figureheads of CIG are Tony Zurovec and Jared Huckaby.

Pretty smart of him, collect money and stay hidden. Because when he talks he tends to say things that show how often he gets caught lying when he mentions dates or things that are coming.

As I've said before I feel bad for people that backed this game with a lot of money and held out hope for the game and have followed it. I doubt they saw this level of failure coming.

But when you start pissing off your whale backers that is when you are going to feel the sting.

[Nurasu]

I'm wondering when legal liability kicks in for CIG. Granted, it's crowdfunded and there's no guarantee of a final product with those, but if at this point, CIG knows there won't be anything they're stillpromising, I would think they would be in some hot water.

[Edge-]

Any idea why?

Because folks will expect him to deliver on what he talks about. If you have your lead guy clamming up and focused on the game, he can't cause more problems.

It's honestly for the best, Roberts has issues keeping himself from getting into trouble when he opens his mouth. Like discussing a 2020 target for SC/SQ42 (unclear which, or if both) in a 2018 interview about attracting outside investment.

[Kyanion]

Any idea why? Seems like he popped his head into a CitizenCon video last year to just say hello, then vanished again.

Wonder if he was advised to keep a low profile because he is too easily quotable as to the failures, bugs and delays of the game/roadmaps.

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I'm wondering when legal liability kicks in for CIG. Granted, it's crowdfunded and there's no guarantee of a final product with those, but if at this point, CIG knows there won't be anything they're stillpromising, I would think they would be in some hot water.

I don't think there is any legal liability at this point. They have delivered a 'game' despite being unifnished and a fraction of things they have promised. They are far past the kickstarter money mattering at this point. The things they sell on their cash shops are likely designed to legally protect themselves as well.

[Edge-]

I'm wondering when legal liability kicks in for CIG. Granted, it's crowdfunded and there's no guarantee of a final product with those, but if at this point, CIG knows there won't be anything they're stillpromising, I would think they would be in some hot water.

What legal liability though? They're working on the game still and that's all they need to do to stay on the right side of the law with this stuff, unlike Elyria crowdfunded MMO which seems to have largely taken the money and ran and is now building some garbage "management" game to avoid lawsuits about this.

This is just the nature of crowdfunding, most of the crowdfunded MMO's are still in development long beyond their expected ship date.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Any idea why? Seems like he popped his head into a CitizenCon video last year to just say hello, then vanished again.

Chris has been historically responsible for much of the project's bad press. He makes big, grandiose promises at citizencon and promises "you're going to get this in the next patch/this year!" and then it doesn't happen. Sandworms from the 2016 citizencon. Advanced AI and the lab infiltration mission from the 2019 citizencon. The jump to the Pyro star system. The old 2014 ArcCorp demo that was much more grandiose than the city planet we wound up getting in 2019. And so on. Backers call him out on these overpromises and under deliveries and the media picks up on it and writes articles about it. Tony Z and Jared don't make anywhere near as big claims, nor are they big names like Chris Roberts, so by doing most of the communication they spare CIG the flak.

[Zeta333]

This is a rather bold claim, considering you have absolutely no way to back it up.

I mean, the guys behind EvE could probably do everything SC does if they wanted to. Maybe there's a reason they haven't? I mean, you do realize that the EvE team already has: "EvE" the full feature MMO space game, "Dust" a full feature FPS ground game, and "Valkyrie" a full feature Dogfight Space game. Literally the only thing SC does is roll that into one "seamless" package. Pretty sure that if the EvE team wanted to, they could pull something similar off. Likely the only reason they don't want to is because it would effectively kill the current EvE MMO, and they have no reason to kill something that's still incredibly popular and profitable.

becuase ccp is a fuckfest of shit management and departing developers. Could they do somthing with thier experience like SC? Prob given enough years. Eve is a shitshow of legacy code from 15 years ago that hinders the game in ever way and the ONLY way to modernize and fix it is to rebuild. They cant rebuild cus people wont tolerate eve being shelves and progress wont transfer over so they will stop playing and lose what little population they have left. So they are forced to Frankenstein thier current game. right now its a game to see how much new shit they can stack on legacy code before it all tumbles down.

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Standard Chris Roberts then. He's arguably the biggest problem with SC, ironically.

A man with a history of vaporware is a problem with a game thats becoming vaporware? The irony, if only this was called from the start. Remember his last game where he was booted and then they had to spend a few years fixing it before it could be released after already years of dev time.

[Kyanion]

I'm just looking at the forum and the tone is definitely different to what I usually expect to see. The roadmap post has certainly become a meme, particularly in how backers are somehow distractions to the devs. So I'd have expected some basic communication to apologise, at the very least. Instead, nothing. Just certain posts being deleted by mods.

I wonder if their important community (read the whales/dolphins) are finally tired of having shit being flung at them from the company they are backing for this game. Their latest post basically blaming the community for taking roadmaps too serious was just mindblowing to me.

[kenn9530]

if the whales get tired of waiting, and the funding get low enough, then no, there will not be a released version of the game, and THAT is a fact.
all they have proven is than they can deliver a pretty environment, but an EMPTY one.
most of the systems don't work or have no finality yet.

I'm still waiting for the solo game, but seeing the state of the alpha, I really doubt SQ42 will be done by 2026, let alone it's "sequels"...

It will release at some point even if a few things have to be put in later, the money is not going to dry up anytime soon and the company generates at least 10 million a year income on its own in 2019 without backers. The current version of the PU alpha is not a representation on how much work has been done, its just a small part of it.

[Edge-]

It will release at some point even if a few things have to be put in later, the money is not going to dry up anytime soon and the company generates at least 10 million a year income on its own in 2019 without backers.

Wait, what? How is any money spent on the game not considered backing it at this point?

The current version of the PU alpha is not a representation on how much work has been done, its just a small part of it.

So the PU isn't a good representation
The roadmap is useless and not worth looking at

So how are we supposed to figure out what kind of progress is being made? Just take them at their word?

[Kyanion]

Nah, there are still people that are basically Kenn/Mr Anderson on there, saying they're right to blame the "noise" that is some backers. CIG can still do no wrong to those people.

Sad but true, but you have to think there is a boiling point for their whales at some point. How long can they keep it all going while not finishing the game? It is so weird.

[kenn9530]

This is a rather bold claim, considering you have absolutely no way to back it up.

I mean, the guys behind EvE could probably do everything SC does if they wanted to. Maybe there's a reason they haven't? I mean, you do realize that the EvE team already has: "EvE" the full feature MMO space game, "Dust" a full feature FPS ground game, and "Valkyrie" a full feature Dogfight Space game. Literally the only thing SC does is roll that into one "seamless" package. Pretty sure that if the EvE team wanted to, they could pull something similar off. Likely the only reason they don't want to is because it would effectively kill the current EvE MMO, and they have no reason to kill something that's still incredibly popular and profitable.

Its fact because the only one that is doing it is CiG, if the EVE team could do it they would of done it by now, Dust and Valkarie are essential dead games as noone plays them, noone wants a standalone dogfighting sim or ground PvP they want it in a complete all in one game.

[Edge-]

if the EVE team could do it they would of done it by now

This presumes they'd ever want to. Which they don't seem to.

Dust and Valkarie are essential dead games as noone plays them, noone wants a standalone dogfighting sim or ground PvP they want it in a complete all in one game.

Dust died because it was a PS3-exclusive shooter release when the platform was a wasteland for shooters. Valkarie actually performed well for them as a VR shooter during the first wave of VR games, but that's all it was supposed to be - an experiment with a VR dogfighter.

Your analysis is way off-base.

[kenn9530]

Wait, what? How is any money spent on the game not considered backing it at this point?



So the PU isn't a good representation
The roadmap is useless and not worth looking at

So how are we supposed to figure out what kind of progress is being made? Just take them at their word?

The company itself makes an at least extra 10 million per year by other means regardless of backers buying space ships, that means backers had nothing to do with that income.

You are to just wait until its ready for release, the PUs main reason is testing features with a larger playerbase and to give the backers something to test themselves.

[Edge-]

The company itself makes an at least extra 10 million per year by other means regardless of backers buying space ships, that means backers had nothing to do with that income.

From...what? Where? Do you have any links, because this is confusing to me.

You are to just wait until its ready for release, the PUs main reason is testing features with a larger playerbase and to give the backers something to test themselves.

So is there any way for folks to find out how the game is progressing if, according to you -

The PU/live servers aren't a good representation of the current state of development

and

The roadmap isn't very useful since it changes so much

So how are folks supposed to find out about development progress, then? Wasn't committing to a transparent development process a bit thing for this game?

[kenn9530]

From...what? Where? Do you have any links, because this is confusing to me.



So is there any way for folks to find out how the game is progressing if, according to you -

The PU/live servers aren't a good representation of the current state of development

and

The roadmap isn't very useful since it changes so much

So how are folks supposed to find out about development progress, then? Wasn't committing to a transparent development process a bit thing for this game?

Its in the star citizen financials, the income on the website is just the crowdfunding money raised, the company itself has raised from other income and subsciption around 90 million, and has had around 50 million in other investment, so on top of the crowdfunded money they have raised an extra 140 million or so, so total amount of money is at around 580 million raised not spent.

Other income and subscriptions does not effect the amount raised from backers buying ships and packages.