[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Wilian]

Not really. It can be stated pretty objectively at this point that CIG is shit at project management.

It could be said decades ago with Chris Roberts in other productions.

[kenn9530]

It could be said decades ago with Chris Roberts in other productions.

Its because of CR that freelancer was such a good game, he wants to build the best game possible, money is not currently an issue for star citizen so he is free to build the game he wants to, he has said that from the kickstarter that he wants to build the best game he can and will not release something he is not happy with, a person would be stupid to back a game without doing some basic research so most of us know what CR is like and that why most backed the project because he will push the limits on game development and push for the best game possible.

[Proskill]

Its because of CR that freelancer was such a good game, he wants to build the best game possible, money is not currently an issue for star citizen so he is free to build the game he wants to, he has said that from the kickstarter that he wants to build the best game he can and will not release something he is not happy with, a person would be stupid to back a game without doing some basic research so most of us know what CR is like and that why most backed the project because he will push the limits on game development and push for the best game possible.

ngl, thats what i want to believe in

[XDurionX]

Its because of CR that freelancer was such a good game, he wants to build the best game possible, money is not currently an issue for star citizen so he is free to build the game he wants to, he has said that from the kickstarter that he wants to build the best game he can and will not release something he is not happy with, a person would be stupid to back a game without doing some basic research so most of us know what CR is like and that why most backed the project because he will push the limits on game development and push for the best game possible.

Freelancer would have never released if it wouldn't have been taken from Roberts and placed under a proper management. You can thank Microsoft we got a game at all.

[Gorsameth]

Its because of CR that freelancer was such a good game, he wants to build the best game possible, money is not currently an issue for star citizen so he is free to build the game he wants to, he has said that from the kickstarter that he wants to build the best game he can and will not release something he is not happy with, a person would be stupid to back a game without doing some basic research so most of us know what CR is like and that why most backed the project because he will push the limits on game development and push for the best game possible.

What revisionist history grade A bullshit is this?

Much like Sq42, Freelancer basically did not exist when Chris Roberts was fired from the project. It took them 3 fucking years AFTER he was fired to launch the game. You could make an entire new game in 3 years, and they probably did.

Freelancer being a good game is in spite of Chris Roberts, not because of.

[Calfredd]

What revisionist history grade A bullshit is this?

Much like Sq42, Freelancer basically did not exist when Chris Roberts was fired from the project. It took them 3 fucking years AFTER he was fired to launch the game. You could make an entire new game in 3 years, and they probably did.

Freelancer being a good game is in spite of Chris Roberts, not because of.

Sounds to me like Chris Roberts needs to be kicked out if Star Citizen has any chance of surviving it's development hell.

[Ausr]

But you cant say anything of the sort, you dont work in CiG so you have no idea of how its managed or if its any worse than other game developer companies, there is no ideal way to manage a project, and star citizen is not a standard project. Its being managed the way the leaders want it to be managed, without all the information about the company and how the game has been developed then all you have is an opinion without any facts backing you up.

I don't work in politics, but I'm pretty sure I can say how shit the government is running things.

[kenn9530]

What revisionist history grade A bullshit is this?

Much like Sq42, Freelancer basically did not exist when Chris Roberts was fired from the project. It took them 3 fucking years AFTER he was fired to launch the game. You could make an entire new game in 3 years, and they probably did.

Freelancer being a good game is in spite of Chris Roberts, not because of.

Freelancer was in development for around 5 years before the company was bought by microsoft, most of the same team would still be developing it, all microsoft did was cut things from the game, the whole game is because of chris roberts and he was still working on it as a consultant to make sure the game was still what he wanted. The same company still developed the game it was just bought by microsoft.

[Kyanion]

The same company still developed the game it was just bought by microsoft.

I wonder if you believe your own narrative. They had to take years to get the game out after kicking CR out. They cut the main important thing from the game though, CR. SC could learn something from that.

[kenn9530]

I don't work in politics, but I'm pretty sure I can say how shit the government is running things.

Unless you have all the information you cant say if something is being badly managed or not, that means working for several similar companies and then working for CiG so you can make an assesment based on actual information, not just thinking you know better. The larger a company gets the more difficult it is to manage, i doubt you could claim any games company has good management in reality.

[Ausr]

Unless you have all the information you cant say if something is being badly managed or not, that means working for several similar companies and then working for CiG so you can make an assesment based on actual information, not just thinking you know better. The larger a company gets the more difficult it is to manage, i doubt you could claim any games company has good management in reality.

My point



Your head.

[Kyanion]

Unless you have all the information you cant say if something is being badly managed or not, that means working for several similar companies and then working for CiG so you can make an assesment based on actual information, not just thinking you know better. The larger a company gets the more difficult it is to manage, i doubt you could claim any games company has good management in reality.

I'm glad life doesn't work the way you think it does, because that would be awful. It is easy to see from afar if a project has bad management, the warning signs will be there, the length of time it takes, the money it takes. 9 years, no finished game, plenty of lies from them though.

[Henako]

Unless you have all the information you cant say if something is being badly managed or not, that means working for several similar companies and then working for CiG so you can make an assesment based on actual information, not just thinking you know better. The larger a company gets the more difficult it is to manage, i doubt you could claim any games company has good management in reality.

This is some max strength Copium. You do not need a full picture to see if something is being poorly managed. Yes, many game developers are managed quite well I'd imagine. They make products. They set release dates and actually meet them. It's a wild concept.

[Gorsameth]

Freelancer was in development for around 5 years before the company was bought by microsoft, most of the same team would still be developing it, all microsoft did was cut things from the game, the whole game is because of chris roberts and he was still working on it as a consultant to make sure the game was still what he wanted. The same company still developed the game it was just bought by microsoft.

I love that you somehow think Chris working on the game for 5 years, getting fired and the game then taking another 3 to release is somehow a good thing.

"all they did was cut things". They spend 3 years getting the game in a launchable state. 3 years, enough for most studio's to make a game from scratch.

Anyone that has played Freelancer should be able to tell you that it should not have taken 8 years to make that. I like Freelancer, I'm happy Microsoft stepped in to save the game but its not a game that should have taken 8 years.

Freelancer proved Christ Roberts should never ever be in charge of a project again.

[- Zephox -]

I have better insight because i actually follow the development and have watched all the developer updates, rather than all the other posters who dont bother at all and just want to insult other posters or the company.

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Actually you cant, you are very naive to think otherwise, unless you have all the information you just cant say something has been mismanaged, thats why every most games company doesnt have open development so you cant see all the problems with development, so dont talk BS about thinks you simply just dont understand.

Wanting to create a larger more detailed game is not bad management, and the community signed off on the expanded game, CR is just delivering everything that the community wanted for the game so obviously it takes longer to develop. He made a company for a reason to make the game the way he wanted so everyone just needs to wait until its ready.

I have to say. The last few months me and few other people have been following this thread purely to see what you or MrAnderson will say for pure entertainment purposes and not to take this game seriously. If anything both you and him to potential interested buyers like me are DAMAGING the game non stop with your outrageous psychological and most probably paid by CIG comments as some of the outrageous things you have said and believe that are true have surpassed the ridiculous degree.

Friendly advice as myself and few others in this forum are active in the gaming industry - I can name at least 4 people who are IN the gaming industry and working and have a deeper understanding of a few things and are posters on this thread:
Being a fan of a game and wanting to support its development is one thing. Being the local clown and screaming always defending and saying outrageous comments just to gain validity online is another and if anything damages the game non stop, especially when Star Citizen both from a project management perspective and PR have done so blatantly idiotic mistakes that anyone on a SCRUM/AGILE environment would pull their hair seeing sprints failing non stop.

Yes there are haters who have no clue and yes you have no clue either despite your crazy belief that you are godsent's mesenger to defend the game like this.

Me and others would like the game to succeed,have not put money in it because purely anyone who has worked on IT/tech projects sees this as a disaster on the making unfortunately and whenever we try to find some extra information online on google to justify supporting the project, this thread appears with YOUR clown posts amongst others and rather than being a source of information, it has become a source of entertainment/laughter to see what will be posted next by you or Anderson.

My advice is cool off a little bit, stop justifying things that can't be justified anymore and let people have their opinions. As a friend once said opinions are like asses everyone has one and sometimes it stinks. Haters will hate one way or another but let your employer know first hand that if they are using you as a PR middleman they are not succeeding.If anything, a thread that started with useful information has become the world and the ridiculous aspects of a project mismanaged vs an internet hero(YOU) who is trying too hard to not be a paid employee for the project itself.

[kenn9530]

I love that you somehow think Chris working on the game for 5 years, getting fired and the game then taking another 3 to release is somehow a good thing.

"all they did was cut things". They spend 3 years getting the game in a launchable state. 3 years, enough for most studio's to make a game from scratch.

Anyone that has played Freelancer should be able to tell you that it should not have taken 8 years to make that. I like Freelancer, I'm happy Microsoft stepped in to save the game but its not a game that should have taken 8 years.

Freelancer proved Christ Roberts should never ever be in charge of a project again.

The game launched just over 2 years after microsoft bought the company in dec 2000, it launched in march 2003, and no he wasnt fired for anything, he continued on as a consultant to make sure freelancer was still going to be developed mostly the way he wanted it. Freelancer was only as good as it was because of chris roberts, if you want the best space games CR is the one to make it, thats why so many are backing star citizen because despite any flaws he makes the best space game.

[Beefhammer]

Actually we can. It's called precedent. Every single game where Chris Roberts have been given more leash has been developed to the ground and then others have had to come and pick up the pieces to deliver finished product.

Not to mention Robert's is a known liar and grifter, anyone seriously thi king this game will ever get release is ignorant to what Robert's is. He will keep this grift up for as long as he can before he releases a game that is missing many of the features and much of the content players expected, or he just cancels it riding off into the sunset millions richer.

[kenn9530]

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Being a developer doesnt mean you know everything that is required to make a project work, you can still not have any idea of what you are talking about as has been proven many times in this thread to posters claiming to be developers.

You cant claim a company is being badly managed if you dont even work for the company, that is the only way you might find out how its being operated and if you have not worked for any other companies how would you know if they are operated any better.

Most of the posters in this thread have no intention of posting constructively in the slightest, MMO champ is not the place to get useful information about any game, even WoW you dont want to use this website.

[Ausr]

Being a developer doesnt mean you know everything that is required to make a project work, you can still not have any idea of what you are talking about as has been proven many times in this thread to posters claiming to be developers.

You cant claim a company is being badly managed if you dont even work for the company, that is the only way you might find out how its being operated and if you have not worked for any other companies how would you know if they are operated any better.

Most of the posters in this thread have no intention of posting constructively in the slightest, MMO champ is not the place to get useful information about any game, even WoW you dont want to use this website.

Quite literally said he's in the gaming industry so he would actually know what is required and you aren't, so take your own advice.

My previous example of politics and not being in it still lets me criticize obviously badly or well ran governments.

You just decided to ignore everything he said and do exactly what he accused you of doing to repeat the same 2 talking points over and over again. Like how much do they pay you to post this nonsense?

[Advent]

I don't even know why people still engage. Put the guy on ignore and move on.