[Megathread] Star Citizen

[banmebaby]

Oh I'm not making him the figurehead of the community. I'm saying if people come across him and his unwillingness to even admit there is shit wrong or shady with the game, it's not a good look. Most of the people who play are more than likely quiet like most game communities and it's the minority that whines like on MMOChamp, but they're the loudest and draw the biggest attention.

Oh, I know, I know, it's why we often get the "Oh SC community is a cult!", what I'm trying to say is that it's easy to think so when people stumble upon these fringe cases, however it's not really something anyone should be doing, my experience with Star Citizen wasn't really a long one, but the community was indeed the most positive surprise I had with it, and it's sad that it's all being lumped together with these poorly written bots.

[kenn9530]

I can see you very much, like always, clearly missed the point of the first paragraph I wrote. Not surprising, you're live with blinders on. Oh you got me, I got a narrow agenda pointing and laughing at scams that pull in people like you. My operation has been found out.

It's amazing how you still don't know what max crew means and even in your reply, you insert words that I didn't use at all.

You truly are more damaging to this game than anyone who criticizes it.

When you call it a scam you are obviously not here to be constructive in any way shape or form.

You dont know what max crew means, max simply means the amount of ppl who could live on the ship, not who could fit on the ship or actually operate the ship at 100%, this is a game it does not take 80 men to operate a javelin. Having enough to fully operate the ship is all that matters in a game.

This forum have no bearing on who wants to play the game or not, the numbers playing SC are constantly rising and the money isnt stopping, just because you clearly lack understanding on what star citizen is and is being developed into, you have proven time and time again you are not here to be constructive like several posters here.

[Kyanion]

You dont know what max crew means, max simply means the amount of ppl who could live on the ship, not who could fit on the ship or actually operate the ship at 100%, this is a game it does not take 80 men to operate a javelin.

Oh dear lord here we go again. The rare QUADRUPLE DOWN on being wrong. CIG's info must be wrong because kenn says it is.

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you have proven time and time again you are not here to be constructive like several posters here.

Isn't it ironic? Don't ya think?

[Shakzor]

When you call it a scam you are obviously not here to be constructive in any way shape or form.

You dont know what max crew means, max simply means the amount of ppl who could live on the ship, not who could fit on the ship or actually operate the ship at 100%, this is a game it does not take 80 men to operate a javelin. Having enough to fully operate the ship is all that matters in a game.

This forum have no bearing on who wants to play the game or not, the numbers playing SC are constantly rising and the money isnt stopping, just because you clearly lack understanding on what star citizen is and is being developed into, you have proven time and time again you are not here to be constructive like several posters here.

Could you just fucking drop it with this dumb ship?
EVERYONE here agrees that you only need 12 people to have it operational and running, which is the minimum crew needed, but can at max, house 80 people. It's on the fucking official website (12-80). It's CIGs own info you try to refute here for some dumb reason.
No one here claims you need 80 people to have it operational at all. It's all your own interpretation to start utterly pointless arguments and pretend to "know better"

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The go-kart track has my interest.

On a related note, it would be nice if CIG added paved roads to planets. CIG has sold $60 race cars but there are no tracks to drive them on.

[Ghost of Cow]

The go-kart track has my interest.

On a related note, it would be nice if CIG added paved roads to planets. CIG has sold $60 race cars but there are no tracks to drive them on.

"Introducing the new P4V-3R, on sale now! This ground vehicle can pave new roads in specific areas to allow for other ground vehicles to drive smoothly! Only $499!"

[Gorsameth]

Could you just fucking drop it with this dumb ship?
EVERYONE here agrees that you only need 12 people to have it operational and running, which is the minimum crew needed, but can at max, house 80 people. It's on the fucking official website (12-80). It's CIGs own info you try to refute here for some dumb reason.
No one here claims you need 80 people to have it operational at all. It's all your own interpretation to start utterly pointless arguments and pretend to "know better"

Your talking to someone that doesn't believe dates announcing a product release are not actually release dates. There is no twist and turn his brain would spaghetti itself into to not have to admit something bad about the game.

[kenn9530]

Your talking to someone that doesn't believe dates announcing a product release are not actually release dates. There is no twist and turn his brain would spaghetti itself into to not have to admit something bad about the game.

They never gave any other dates for a full release and you cant prove otherwise, not once did they state when SQ42 was actually going to release, your poor attempts to say otherwise just show how clueless you are about the games development and poor character to state false imformation any chance you get. Everyone who thought otherwise already lost that argument.

[Edge-]

They never gave any other dates for a full release and you cant prove otherwise, not once did they state when SQ42 was actually going to release, your poor attempts to say otherwise just show how clueless you are about the games development and poor character to state false imformation any chance you get. Everyone who thought otherwise already lost that argument.

https://www.polygon.com/2015/1/21/78...in-2015-shares



The first episode of SQ42 did not launch in Fall 2015, 7 years ago.

Nor did Star Citizen commercially launch in 2016, 6 years ago.

This is just counterfactual, and relies on redefining what release windows mean.

[Ghost of Cow]

The first episode of SQ42 did not launch in Fall 2015, 7 years ago.

Nor did Star Citizen commercially launch in 2016, 6 years ago.

This is just counterfactual, and relies on redefining what release windows mean.

Why wait for a Kenn response when you can build your own? (Check as many as apply)

[ ] You're just clueless about development.

[ ] You have poor character.

[ ] You're just lying.

[ ] Dates change all the time.

[ ] No one has ever done what SC is doing.

[ ] SC is live and available for play, you're just being dishonest about it not launching.

[ ] You have nothing of substance to say.

[Cracked]

They never gave any other dates for a full release and you cant prove otherwise, not once did they state when SQ42 was actually going to release, your poor attempts to say otherwise just show how clueless you are about the games development and poor character to state false imformation any chance you get. Everyone who thought otherwise already lost that argument.

Time and time again people disprove your bullshit "they never gave dates" with evidence and time and time again you post it again.

I would seriously like to know why this man is not permabanned here. MMOC just desperate for traffic, I guess.

[Shakzor]

We all know it'll just be "2016 is not a release date, because it's not a singular day" or some other bs, as if planned released windows don't exist.

[banmebaby]

They never gave any other dates for a full release and you cant prove otherwise, not once did they state when SQ42 was actually going to release, your poor attempts to say otherwise just show how clueless you are about the games development and poor character to state false imformation any chance you get. Everyone who thought otherwise already lost that argument.

Oh boy, here we go again... where is that POST again... oh!

2014: "It was originally announced for release in 2014 during the Kickstarter campaign"

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen

2015: "Fall 2015 First Episode of Squadron 42 release"

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GU....be&t=1h32m43s

2016: “SQ42 was announced originally in a Kickstarter campaign in 2012 together with Star Citizen. After the implementation of more Stretch goals (the last stretch goal was achieved 2014-11-10) the release was subsequently postponed. After CitizenCon in 2015, a new homepage "Answer the Call" showed the date 2016. At CitizenCon 2016 Roberts confirmed a delay of the game.”





https://starcitizen.tools/Squadron_42

http://media.kotaku.foxtrot.future.n...lease-date.png

https://web.archive.org/web/20161214...lease-date.png

2017: "During tonight's Citizencon livestream, Cloud Imperium Games announced that Squadron 42, Star Citizen's single player campaign, will not meet its 2016 release date."




web.archive.org/web/20161106004215/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/squadron42
web.archive.org/web/20190103031332/https://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/10/10/star-citizen-single-player-campaign-delayed-into-2017

2020: “Cloud Imperium Games, the company behind the long-awaited space sim Star Citizen, have made a big announcement. Squadron 42, the single player offshoot of Star Citizen, is going to enter the beta stages some time in mid-2020.”
https://www.gosunoob.com/star-citize...nnounced-2020/
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"You will of course notice that our target beta date for Squadron 42 has moved back by 12 weeks in today's roadmap update"
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ths-to-q3-2020
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“We will not be in beta this calendar year — that’s one thing I absolutely know,” Brian Chambers said in the video below. “And once we do have the dates that us internally and leadership and the team are confident that we have dates that we believe we can hit, with all the data we have together, we’ll share that to everybody as soon as we can.”
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/10/st...2-delay-again/

Now, time to fill up 5 pages of "a date is not a date" because the lack of a specific day.

[Ausr]

When you call it a scam you are obviously not here to be constructive in any way shape or form.

You dont know what max crew means, max simply means the amount of ppl who could live on the ship, not who could fit on the ship or actually operate the ship at 100%, this is a game it does not take 80 men to operate a javelin. Having enough to fully operate the ship is all that matters in a game.

This forum have no bearing on who wants to play the game or not, the numbers playing SC are constantly rising and the money isnt stopping, just because you clearly lack understanding on what star citizen is and is being developed into, you have proven time and time again you are not here to be constructive like several posters here.

Well, it is a scam. It's a practically vaporware product selling you ships for assloads of money with almost nothing to show for it.

You reeaally have no clue what crewing a ship means. Holy fucking shit.

If this forum has no bearing on who wants to play the game or not, then why do you continue to post here to defend the game and sing it's praises? It's numbers don't really rise and the money keeps coming because they dupe people like you to buy into it. It's kinda cult like.

You should tell that to all the Star Citizen emails I get from when I received it for free with an old graphics card purchase and that other fellow posting updates. It's almost like I read and actually understand where and what I post.

[Edge-]

Well, it is a scam. It's a practically vaporware product selling you ships for assloads of money with almost nothing to show for it.

I mean, healthy skepticism is definitely well earned but this isn't really a reasonable take, either.

If it was a scam/vaporware, they'd be taking the money and running, not actually - clearly - spending it on the game. Pace of progress aside, the game is consistently moving forward with their quarterly updates - new tech is being implemented or improved, new features added, new content etc. is all regularly rolling out. Yes, it's glacially slow at times and often seemingly pointless tech (EYE WETNESS! BEDSHEED PHYSICS!), but the progress is clearly being made.

Vaporware/scams would be more akin to Chronicles of Elyria, which has a sordid history of mismanagement, questionable honesty and spending, and resulted in a lawsuit when the lead developer announced that they'd run out of money and were ending the game in 2020...which resulted in a quick "just kidding", with him continuing to promise he's working on the game and also working on a spinoff title that largely seems like what you'd build in Unity over a weekend getting to know the engine. For all the questionable management decisions at CIG, it doesn't come close to this kind of fiasco.

[banmebaby]

If it was a scam/vaporware, they'd be taking the money and running

Oh yeah, they are cleary making a game...

But isn't a scam when you lie/deceive people in order to gain something out of them? *cough*answerthecall*cough*

Also, why would you run when people are still throwing money?

[Edge-]

Oh yeah, they are cleary making a game...

They very much are. There's a playable game right now. Is it done? Nowhere near it. Is it polished? Hell no. Is it "good"? Subjective. But is there very much a playable game that's made with bespoke assets vs. something slapped together in Unity over a weekend using store-bought assets? 100%. Is the game seeing meaningful improvements with each update? For the most part, yeah. Are they still selling tons of ships and other shit? For sure, they've got a crazy burn-rate and a long ways to go if they want to get anywhere close to their ultimate vision for the game. And they've similarly got a lot of backers happy to repeatedly open their wallets and throw tons of money at the game.

But isn't a scam when you lie/deceive people in order to gain something out of them? *cough*answerthecall*cough*

What's the lie or deception? Everyone, especially hardcore Roberts fans, knows Roberts and his management style. I'll agree that CIG has repeatedly been far, far, far, far too optimistic about their release targets, but anyone still believing those targets uncritically after the first few years of the game either wasn't paying any attention to how those targets were missed by miles, or they simply don't care that the targets keep getting missed, like many people in this thread. And that's fine since that's their opinion.

Also, why would you run when people are still throwing money?

Because that's the whole point of a scam, you're not providing what you're supposedly selling. And while the game is long, long delayed and progressing at a slow pace (not surprising given the scope of the game and their ambitions for it alongside the technical realities), it's very clear that they're spending a LOT of money on ongoing development for the game. If that's a scam, that's one of the worst scams around.

[Kyanion]

I would seriously like to know why this man is not permabanned here. MMOC just desperate for traffic, I guess.

It really is a running joke on this website when certain people post in threads and are just made fun of for their bullshit.

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I swear, this conversation around release dates has happened 3/4 times that I can remember now. It's so readily disproven that "they never gave dates" that I have no idea why the lie persists.

It is almost like flat out lying despite being proven wrong over and over gets a free pass. When someone is lying like this there is a word for it, "trolling". Yet nothing ever comes of it, so here we are having it discussed for the what, 5th or 6th time? More?

Even better when a mod is involved in one half of the discussion.

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Vaporware/scams would be more akin to Chronicles of Elyria, which has a sordid history of mismanagement, questionable honesty and spending

Like really? 10 years, 450+ million dollars, questionable mismanagement in Spades. LYING to backers. (sq42 is greyboxed remember??) Questionable honesty? I mean look at the fucking amount of times they have lied about when this mess of a game is coming out. It's in ALPHA. A very early Alpha that can't have more than 120?? people on the server without exploding.

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I'll agree that CIG has repeatedly been far, far, far, far too optimistic about their release targets.

So flat out lying is just being optimistic? Got it. They are quoted over and over about this game, ask banmebaby to post some of the quotes when they say the game should be out by X. Answer the Call!

[kenn9530]

https://www.polygon.com/2015/1/21/78...in-2015-shares



The first episode of SQ42 did not launch in Fall 2015, 7 years ago.

Nor did Star Citizen commercially launch in 2016, 6 years ago.

This is just counterfactual, and relies on redefining what release windows mean.

Planning to possibly grant access to one single episode is a far far cry from a full release for SQ42 considering the game is at least 28 episodes long, and its two games one is called star citizen the MMO and one is called SQ42, this is not a release no matter how you try and spin it, nothing in a presentation is 100% going to happen, so no full release of the game was ever stated for an actual release.

Until i see a full day month year and them actually stating it 100% outright its not a release date. They also added in planet tech which was not origionally going to happen and that tech is 100% required for this game. The games company can change the game as many times as they like.

[Edge-]

Like really? 10 years, 450+ million dollars, questionable mismanagement in Spades.

Yes really. Those are all super fair criticisms, but don't make it a "scam". If it's a scam, it's honestly one the worst-run scam on the face of the planet.

LYING to backers. (sq42 is greyboxed remember??) Questionable honesty?

It could have been greyboxed. Then they could have decided to redo whole sections of the game because Chris Roberts had a dream. This is Chris fucking Roberts we're talking about. Again, criticisms of their publicly announced release windows being missed, and at this point missed for over half a decade, are also super fair. But a lot of this stuff happens during internal development with large setbacks unexpectedly - albeit at a grossly smaller scale since developers generally have budgets and somewhat flexible deadlines.

I mean look at the fucking amount of times they have lied about when this mess of a game is coming out. It's in ALPHA. A very early Alpha that can't have more than 120?? people on the server without exploding.

Again, a poorly managed game development process with extremely poor and at times apparently flat-out dishonest communications is not inherently a scam. It's not even necessarily a scam. And again, it's clear the money is being poured into the game. Into the office expansions and hiring of staff. Into R&D on tech reinventing wheels because Chris Roberts wants it just right and everyone else at CIG is on board (either because they agree or because he signs their paychecks).

So flat out lying is just being optimistic? Got it. They are quoted over and over about this game, ask banmebaby to post some of the quotes when they say the game should be out by X. Answer the Call!

Again, without more context we don't know if that was a lie, or simply that they had every intent of moving ahead with the 2016 target until Chris Roberts had a dream and they had to scrap half the levels to rebuild them. Or maybe some new tech they were working on caused him to tell the team to pause for however long it took to get the tech ready so they could make sure to add it to the game without needing to do too much. Wet eyes? Bedsheet physics? Who knows.

All these are 100% accurate criticisms IMO. And while I agree with the vast majority of them and have a lot of criticisms about the overall initial pitch and then ongoing shambles of a slow development process, there's nothing pointing to this being a scam.

The money is being spent on the game. The people making the game are not randoms pulled from the street, they have a fair number of experienced developers working on this (not counting Roberts, given the mixed opinions on him). You have yet to point to anything indicating this is anything more than the expected result of Chris Roberts creating his dream game, with a seemingly endless supply of money from people who are happy to open their wallets repeatedly to fund that dream.