Jaina and Dalaran in 5.1 [Heavy lore spoilers]

[Falrinn]

Oh...you just reminded me that my race (Draenei) aren't doing anything. And it made me sad :<

If Anduin does die I want to see some Draenei involvement! He was at the Exodar for quite a while with Velen! I can't imagine they are just going to ignore that within the lore!

Akama and his followers are in the Black Temple scenario. Not exactly what you'd call part of the main storyline unless there's a currently unseen connection to Pandaria, or even the main Draenei storyline (as Akama isn't Alliance affiliated in any real sense), but it shows they still remember the race exists.

[Deleted]

Okay, I'm soooo excited for this patch! And as for Dalaran, I don't think it will be in Pandaria, but I think it would return to EK, possibly Alterac OR where Theramore used to be. And am I the only one worried about that one line "You would make a good Warchief"? I really, really, really, really, REALLY hope they aren't making Lor'themar the new Warchief, it has always been an Orc and should always be!

[luccadeo]

Lor'themar for Warchief!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[Dristereau]

Just so people are aware in Krassarang Wilds as Alliance a Night Elf dies and is brought back to life by her father drinking some of these 'waters'. It transfers life, and he dies to bring her back. It's possible Wraithon may do that (being young for a dragon) and revive Anduin without being killed himself.

[Azgraal]

Ill seriously rage if they kill my prince.. I swear to god ill make someone pay.

There's a quest achievement related to Wrathion name The Two Princes, so maybe the little Stormwind Prince will be left for dead, and saved by some servant of the black prince, as they're everywhere in pandaria now.

[StaeleAilar]

It seems "he" is not dead.
If those sound files are in order, at first she said "bla bla the prince is dead", the second time she is talking to him.

Also:

"the Kirin Tor belongs to the Alliance."


FUCK YEAH!

I know right, i may or may not have got a bit TOO excited at that prospect xD

[Falrinn]

There's a quest achievement related to Wrathion name The Two Princes, so maybe the little Stormwind Prince will be left for dead, and saved by some servant of the black prince, as they're everywhere in pandaria now.

Or simply raised from the dead by Wrathion. I could very well see Wrathion noting Anduin's death as a detriment to whatever his plans are, and then sets about raising him from the dead.

[StaeleAilar]

Exactly. Its demanding one side conform to your rules when your not prepared to do the same. And now because of something that happened due to Garrosh, NOT the Sunreavers, Jaina holds the sunreavers responsible.

I believe in the voice file she was holding them responsible because them and their leader allowed Garrosh's forces who are committing attrocities left right and centre, to use Dalaran as a means of transportation. I'd kick them out too.
Also, see the post somewhere about Jaina no longer actually being neutral. Whether or not the city will stay horde i do not know, who knows she could be ousted by the end of MoP and just be an alliance figurehead, forgetting neutrality. She could be Variyan's right hand woman in his throne room or something (i really hope this isn't the case, sick of leaders just being sat in the throne room and just being there).

[wooootles]

Or simply raised from the dead by Wrathion. I could very well see Wrathion noting Anduin's death as a detriment to whatever his plans are, and then sets about raising him from the dead.

Adding that some of his agents are testing the magical/life-giving properties of the waters in the Vale...

I've been saying all along that Anduin will just have a setback

[Slaughty8]

I dunno, when Jaina was younger, she couldn't rage like that. I am guessing that since the Arthas is gone (love of her life), she decided to go mental and more and more insane, oh well, it's normal as a hearthbroken.

[LazarusLong]

Adding that some of his agents are testing the magical/life-giving properties of the waters in the Vale...

I've been saying all along that Anduin will just have a setback

What is dead may never die.

Also about Sylvanas heavy involvment...

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First line =
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Glory to the Alliance!

[Faroth]

Its sad, that after the events of tides of war, Jaina has gone from an open minded diplomat, to now being a racist. Her take on calling the sunreavers 'there kind', and seeing the speech by Lor'themar, suggests Jaina is not acting in reason, but cold rage against the sunreavers, and of course Rhonin's wife is following her.

I hope this opens something for Lor'themar in this.

Does anyone else notice how Rommath and Aethas both declared Lor'themar would make a find warchief? Imagine that, the rage people would have to having the most disregarded lore leader being the leader of the horde.

Sunreavers are a group, so "their kind" could be referring to them. She obviously isn't racist if she's still standing alongside high elves.

[MaximusRex]

It seems "he" is not dead.
If those sound files are in order, at first she said "bla bla the prince is dead", the second time she is talking to him.

Also:

"the Kirin Tor belongs to the Alliance."


FUCK YEAH!

It seems that the segments are not in order. It seems to me that Varian asked Jaina, maybe through Anduin, to pledge the Kirin Tor to the Alliance, which the Kirin Tor was originally a member of, and she seems hesitant to break the neutrality where Horde and Alliance member races are working together, and then the Sun Reavers betray her and that all goes out the window. Since the Sun Reavers betrayed her by getting the bell, and Anduin is confronting Garrosh over the Bell in the Temple of the Red Crane, it seems that is later in the time line.

All that said, I don't think Anduin dies, but I think everyone thinks he does, which will serve to enrage the Alliance against the Horde and push the conflict forward.

I think its interesting that Lor'Themar talks of old alliances being viable again, it will be interesting to see if that is earlier in the timeline before Jaina goes after the Sun Reavers, or later after Garrosh gets the bell. I'd also like to know what's up with the remaining High Elves, where they are, who their leader is, etc.

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The horde just hit the alliance enrage timer, beware hordies your gonna get slammed into the ground by the supirior alliance!

[Immitis]

so for all the people saying because varian and jaina thinks anduin is dead it confirms it somehow?

ummm maybe its just me but if i was on a foreign continent in the middle of a war and my enemy thought i died or did kill me and im back to life somehow i wouldnt exactly go running around saying "IM ALIVE IM ALIVE LOOK AT ME IM ALIVE"

did it never cross any of your minds that hes in hiding somewhere? maybe with the celestials or something

[Trassk]

I dunno, when Jaina was younger, she couldn't rage like that. I am guessing that since the Arthas is gone (love of her life), she decided to go mental and more and more insane, oh well, it's normal as a hearthbroken.

dunno if serious or not...

Jaina has gone down this path and become more warmongering then Varian, on account of what happened in theramore, those she lost, and now if he is or isn't, believeing Anduin to be dead (he was like a nephew to her), she has gone down the same path she was showing when theramore was destroyed. She's pretty much lost it now.

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so for all the people saying because varian and jaina thinks anduin is dead it confirms it somehow?

ummm maybe its just me but if i was on a foreign continent in the middle of a war and my enemy thought i dided or did kill me and im back to life somehow i wouldnt exactly go running around saying "IM ALIVE IM ALIVE LOOK AT ME IM ALIVE"

did it never cross any of your minds that hes in hiding somewhere? maybe with the celestials or something

until we know for sure its just speculation what happens with anduin.

[iamthedevil]

This may be of interest for everyone...

http://ptr.wowhead.com/search?q=date%3A2012-10-11#zones

Dalaran has a new zone on the PTR.

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funny how garrosh seems to think (considering the sound clip) that azeroth is theirs to claim... what about the "we were here first" kind of deal :P? alliance ftw!