Jaina and Dalaran in 5.1 [Heavy lore spoilers]

[Dyroc]

I've been thinking about that. There's an alliance quest in Krasarang that reeks of foreshadowing (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=30445). Basically, there's a sacred spring that transfers life from one person to another, even to the point of killing someone to rez someone. What say Varian sacrifices himself to rez Anduin? We get rid of this "High King Lo'gosh" nonsense, and Anduin gets to be king of Stormwind and play his role in the future Burning Legion expansion. Works for me.

Assuming this is how the spring works, what would the outcome be if you transferred an immortals life into a mortals?

[Deleted]

Don't worry, Dalaran will remain where it is in Northrend, and Ally and Horde players alike will continue to use it as a main hub there. Remember : Northrend lives in the past. That Dalaran will still have Rhonin as its leader. At least it should.

Yes I know that. Blizz dont want to spend ressource on a thing like this and if a "new" dalaran is added in the game, for sure it will be in pandaria or a scenario. Nowhere else.

I just wanted to pointed out those who are so in love with their faction that they wish stuff to happen in lore and in game just to screw players of the other faction...

There is a bunch of ridiculous people in this thread. Reactions are so stupid It gave me tears in the eyes...

[TheDangerZone]

I've been thinking about that. There's an alliance quest in Krasarang that reeks of foreshadowing (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=30445). Basically, there's a sacred spring that transfers life from one person to another, even to the point of killing someone to rez someone. What say Varian sacrifices himself to rez Anduin? We get rid of this "High King Lo'gosh" nonsense, and Anduin gets to be king of Stormwind and play his role in the future Burning Legion expansion. Works for me.

I would really like that. Seeing Anduin as the future if the alliance would be a very optimistic scenario; this would also complete the full circle for Varian's arc of loss, hatred and redemption. Varyan realizing that his son might be the future, not only of the alliance, but even maybe the world, would be an extremely touching sacrifice and a great story.

[Scummer]

well, that's what anger, frustration, and whatever else does to people.

Not to this extent and not from somebody like Tyrande who was the freaking general of the Sentinels for thousands of years.
Seriously this type of attitude they've given her is something Garrosh or Pre-Wolfheart Varian would do.

It is a sad day when Night Elves have become a tool to progress the Horde story and as of recently the Human story. This expansion seems set to be the nail in the coffin for Night Elf lore.

[Deleted]

Not to this extent and not from somebody like Tyrande who was the freaking general of the Sentinels for thousands of years.
Seriously this type of attitude they've given her is something Garrosh or Pre-Wolfheart Varian would do.

It is a sad day when Night Elves have become a tool to progress the Horde story and as of recently the Human story. This expansion seems set to be the nail in the coffin for Night Elf lore.

Or just face the fact the Alliance aint always sunflower and bees aswell and stop linking to the "evil horde"

[Verdugo]

This expansion seems set to be the nail in the coffin for Night Elf lore.

Its long overdue.

[Deleted]

I would really like that. Seeing Anduin as the future if the alliance would be a very optimistic scenario; this would also complete the full circle for Varian's arc of loss, hatred and redemption. Varyan realizing that his son might be the future, not only of the alliance, but even maybe the world, would be an extremely touching sacrifice and a great story.

Since Aduin dies, he will not stay Alliance, also he is way too neutral for that, as a Horde he was even helping us and questing with us, he will , my guess, become the "Thrall" of the Alliance, he dies, gets revived in the "Two Princes" patch thingy and then neutral mob like Tirion, Thrall and all that.

[Deleted]

enough with all the alliance heroes going neutral is all i have to say >.>

[Deleted]

enough with all the alliance heroes going neutral is all i have to say >.>

Anduin is the first big one going neutral.
Tirion and all were always neutral stated ish, yeah okay paladin of the light first of the alliance but went neutral quite soon.
How did you think we felt with Go'El(thrall), basicly Cairne could be counted as neutral aswell, he was never war hungry and all.

Don't QQ :P

[Chonar]

Anduin is the first big one going neutral.

Ever visited Shattrath?
Lovely place. There's a mage standing near a giant living chandelier in the middle of it that would have a word with you.

But he wont.

Because he's too bloody neutral.

[Deleted]

Ever visited Shattrath?
Lovely place. There's a mage standing near a giant living chandelier in the middle of it that would have a word with you.

But he wont.

Because he's too bloody neutral.

Sigh..... dont take everything so litteral, "big one" was sarcasm, but okay, go with whatever you want to rage about xd

[Chonar]

Sigh..... dont take everything so litteral, "big one" was sarcasm, but okay, go with whatever you want to rage about xd

These forums can't handle my rage. I glyphed it to a maximum of 120.

[Deleted]

Ever visited Shattrath?
Lovely place. There's a mage standing near a giant living chandelier in the middle of it that would have a word with you.

But he wont.

Because he's too bloody neutral.

Neutral for a reason, its their retirement.

Most second war veterans of the Alliance survived, Horde? Well lets just say most of ours from that time are dead or went villain.

Alliance has too many heroes still alive so they go Neutral.

[Deleted]

Neutral for a reason, its their retirement.

Most second war veterans of the Alliance survived, Horde? Well lets just say most of ours from that time are dead or went villain.

Alliance has too many heroes still alive so they go Neutral.

That too, and lol I see what you did there Chonar

[Scummer]

Sigh..... dont take everything so litteral, "big one" was sarcasm, but okay, go with whatever you want to rage about xd

But Anduin's neutrality is big.
First and in general it comes right off after they admitted they were aware of the players discontent with neutral heroes.
Secondly and most importantly he's the Prince of Stormwind and essentially heir to not only the Humans, but to the Alliance and this development with him is new so there's no excuse for him to be neutral. As a character he is detrimental to the story due to his family.

It's a biggie.

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Most second war veterans of the Alliance survived, Horde? Well lets just say most of ours from that time are dead or went villain.

Alliance has too many heroes still alive so they go Neutral.

Vs the Horde's third war veterans? There is also the elephant in the room of character development that is Thrall. The third war introduced a lot of Horde characters to the mix to compensate.

I could sympathise with the opinion if it weren't for the fact they would rather develop an Alliance character into neutrality than develop an Alliance character.

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Tirion and all were always neutral stated ish, yeah okay paladin of the light first of the alliance but went neutral quite soon.
How did you think we felt with Go'El(thrall), basicly Cairne could be counted as neutral aswell, he was never war hungry and all.

A lot of people did dislike Thralls direction. Yet unlike other neutral characters he had been the Warchief of the Horde for years, he was a very well accustomed Horde character which is why both sides disliked it more than any other character.

I must also ask how do you feel now knowing Thrall is no longer neutral given how his development is setup throughout Pandaria?
Don't count Cairne or Baine as neutral, because they aren't. There is a difference between a character who wants peace to a character who throws away his colours so that both factions can interact with them.

[Frontenac]

The last datamined files of Varian are enlighting... or confusing.

We know that in patch 5.1, Varian will build a base in Krasarang Wilds. It is there that he finally meets Anduin ("Anduin, you're safe"). It looks like Tyrande is there too ("Things are rarely what they seems, Tyrande. And my son tells me this is a sacred place."). Logical, since the Night Elves already have a base there. So all that fight where Tyrande is telling Varian to attack quick is not at the Temple of the Moon in Darnassus, but in the Temple of the Red Crane. That's where the bell is, and it seems the Alliance gets it from the Horde who wants to use it to shape flesh like the Mogu did.

So what happens next? I think the bell is sent to Darnassus. Then Anduin is sent to Jaina. Jaina makes her speech about the "bonne entente" reigning in Dalaran between Alliance and Horde. She then goes to Darnassus (to study the bell?), but rogues attack. She locks the city to prevent them to get away with the bell. Since the bell is gone anyway, she first suspect it was an inside job (it means she doesn't know the thieves were Horde) and that the thieves are in the city. She then finds the portals and sees that they lead to Dalaran. Then she goes berserk against the Sunreavers. She probably learns from one of them where the bell was sent (conjecture here, but it makes sense). No neutrality broken by Jaina, if my theory is true.

Heroes are then sent to retake the bell from Garrosh. Anduin gets killed. Jaina mourns his death and vows to Varian that the Horde will pay.

[FireMageAl]

WoW MOP: Tyrande = (Major Spoilers)



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WoW MOP: Varian Wrynn = (Major Spoilers)

[Rhlor]

do not use portals in Dalaran!

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Use the Sunreaver Portal in Domination Point to secure a teleport to Darnassus.
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<name>! You'll do perfectly.

We know where the Alliance have hidden the Divine Bell. We've already inserted an agent into enemy territory, we just need you to help him execute his mission.
Pack up, <name>. You're headed to Darnassus.

[Shedeo]

Even if Jaina breaks her neutrality, does that really matter? She decides to throw her lot in with the Alliance. Horde pissed off someone in charge of a neutral organization and therefore gets more guns pointed at it.

[yetgdhfgh]

From another thread that i posted but this thread seems more livelier so

OK ive just done the next part of the chain called Rise of the blood elves

***obvious spoilers ahead***

You get a letter saying garrosh wants you to see the progress the belfs in silvermoon regarding a artifact they have found
you reach lorethamar and you can tell he is getting agitated with garrosh constant demands for progress
he tells you to meet aeathas sunreaver and rommath
you meet with them and talk to aeathas who you can tell is really starting to get pissed off about the horde and he tells you how dalaran has been neutral for over 2000 years and he wants it to stay that way while rommath says that its obvious that the kirin tor have gone alliance with jaina in charge
In the room there is a box and they let you open it
Inside is a concentrated sha that has a bajillion health and it corrupts aeathas sunreaver who starts screaming how the horde will lead them to ruin
once you killed the sha lorethmar walks in and sees that garrosh is recklessly using belfs to experiment on what he sees as dangerous powers that kaelthas once used and that garrosh is leading his people the way kael did to ruin
he then walks off saying that he needs to think about old alliances cause he believes garroshs recklessness and racism is just as bad as the alliance racism that drove his people away from the beginning

this is obviously gonna segway into the whole dalaran fiasco where jaina declares war on the belfs and the sunreavers and what sends the belfs back into the horde

sorry for my piss poor grammar