Will the Alliance ever retake Lordaeron?

[babo7000]

This is a fun one
It's aggravating how what was once the most illustrious human kingdom of all time is now completely forgotten and belongs to the Horde, more specifically the Forsaken. Even the holds the Alliance had in Hillsbrad were wiped out.

The fact that this is the case and there is no mention of intent for Varian to want to retake it makes absolutely no sense. Why hasn't the Alliance done anything to get Lordaeron back? It is situated RIGHT the dwarven areas, and is sort of close to Stormwind.

Does Blizzard not want the Alliance to get Lordaeron back? Or is the Alliance not capable of?

[Deleted]

This is a fun one
It's aggravating how what was once the most illustrious human kingdom of all time is now completely forgotten and belongs to the Horde, more specifically the Forsaken. Even the holds the Alliance had in Hillsbrad were wiped out.

The fact that this is the case and there is no mention of intent for Varian to want to retake it makes absolutely no sense. Why hasn't the Alliance done anything to get Lordaeron back? It is situated RIGHT the dwarven areas, and is sort of close to Stormwind.

Does Blizzard not want the Alliance to get Lordaeron back? Or is the Alliance not capable of?

Who cares about Lordaeron, I want Stromgarde back! As long as the Forsaken are there it probably won't happen in WoW, you'll have to wait for Warcraft 4 or WoW 2

[Dreknar20]

Then where exactly would you move the Forsaken too?

And Stormwind is on the opposite side of the continent, not that close.

[Willeonge]

The Horde and Alliance are engaged in combat across Azeroth, so drawing resources from any one particular fight would mean losing a foothold in that area in order to pit these resources against the Forsaken war machine, which is quite formidable. I have to take a note of irony in how the Forsaken's tactics have developed since its inception. It started out as a very small organization and had to to more..devious and hit and run tactics, such as how Sylvanas killed Detheroc in the WC3:TFT mission. But as they have come into their own and started to tighten their grip on Lordaeron, they are no longer this way. They lost Gilneas through such covert actions. Just find it amusing, myself.

[Deleted]

As long as the WoW segment of the story lasts, no.
In the overarching story... it's unlikely. It used to be an almost sure thing, it was just a matter of waiting for the forsaken to die out and then go and fill in the gap. But now that the Forsaken are in the business of actively making humans into undead... it's way more likely that Stormwind will end being a second Forsaken capital city.

The rest will come when the Apothecary discovers how to make a true plague of undeath.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

This is a fun one
It's aggravating how what was once the most illustrious human kingdom of all time is now completely forgotten and belongs to the Horde, more specifically the Forsaken. Even the holds the Alliance had in Hillsbrad were wiped out.

The fact that this is the case and there is no mention of intent for Varian to want to retake it makes absolutely no sense. Why hasn't the Alliance done anything to get Lordaeron back? It is situated RIGHT the dwarven areas, and is sort of close to Stormwind.

Does Blizzard not want the Alliance to get Lordaeron back? Or is the Alliance not capable of?

Lordaeron being sort of close to Stormwind is how Gadgetzan is sort of close to Everlook.

Anyway, the Alliance would probably like to take Lordaeron back, and remove those smelly Forsaken, but don't really have the capability.

Since the start of WoW there has been the war against the Qiraji in Silithus, the invasion of demons from beyond the Dark Portal which prompted the incursion into Outland, two Scourge invasions and the brutal campaign in Northrend, the Shattering of the world, the war against Twilight's Hammer and Deathwing, to say nothing of all the domestic problems close to home like the Defias and whatnot. So when during that time was the Alliance supposed to gear up for a campaign in Lordaeron?

[endersblade]

This is a fun one
It's aggravating how what was once the most illustrious human kingdom of all time is now completely forgotten and belongs to the Horde, more specifically the Forsaken. Even the holds the Alliance had in Hillsbrad were wiped out.

The fact that this is the case and there is no mention of intent for Varian to want to retake it makes absolutely no sense. Why hasn't the Alliance done anything to get Lordaeron back? It is situated RIGHT the dwarven areas, and is sort of close to Stormwind.

Does Blizzard not want the Alliance to get Lordaeron back? Or is the Alliance not capable of?

You DO understand the the Forsaken ARE the original inhabitants of Lordaeron, right? Just because they're undead now doesn't mean they have no claim to their homeland.

[Dreknar20]

You DO understand the the Forsaken ARE the original inhabitants of Lordaeron, right? Just because they're undead now doesn't mean they have no claim to their homeland.

Humans dont see it that way. Since when did icky undead count as "people"?

[Deleted]

Not sure. Personally, it's always been my dream to see Lordaeron wiped off the map, Burning Legion invasion?


That'd create hundreds of problems in the actual game, but it's still a lore move I'm behind.

[Linkedblade]

You DO understand the the Forsaken ARE the original inhabitants of Lordaeron, right? Just because they're undead now doesn't mean they have no claim to their homeland.

This is pretty much the argument. The races of the Horde are part of the Horde because of the Alliance. The Alliance (lorewise) are obnoxious, self-righteous, racist bigots. They couldn't co exist with the Forsaken, the Elves, the Orcs, the Trolls. Granted there are plenty of other circumstances, but it remains the truth.
Most of the inhabitants of Lordaeron still live in Lordaeron. I can understand those that might have fled would want their property back. However, the Humans were so disgusted with the Forsaken that the Fosraken will never forgive them. That is what fuels the war machine that is the Forsaken.

(((And god damnit will they create some story for the windrunner sisters. kthx Blizz)))

[Golden Yak]

I would like to see the Plaguelands fully restored through the efforts of the Holy Light. So often in fantasy, a land that's become corrupted by whatever flavor of evil the universe has is refereed to as 'irredeemably corrupt' - something that cannot be saved.

Be nice if that weren't true sometimes.

Then where exactly would you move the Forsaken too?

Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle.

Rename them the Blightmyst Isles.

[Dreknar20]

Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle.

Rename them the Blightmyst Isles.

I dont think the Night Elves would be too happy to be surronded by Horde.

Likewise- where would you move the goat people?

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Most of the inhabitants of Lordaeron still live in Lordaeron. I can understand those that might have fled would want their property back. However, the Humans were so disgusted with the Forsaken that the Fosraken will never forgive them. That is what fuels the war machine that is the Forsaken.

Thats why their race is called the Forsaken.
Forsaken by their past friends
Forsaken by the living
Forsaken by the light

[Golden Yak]

I dont think the Night Elves would be too happy to be surronded by Horde.

Likewise- where would you move the goat people?

They fly the Exodar off before the Forsaken get there. Exodar is currently in working order as of Cata's end, but Velen has elected to keep it where it is for now to continue supporting the non-draenei races that are sheltering on the islands.

As for where the night elves have gone... well, that's getting more off topic. Let's just say my ideal fantasy setting for WC4 / WoW2 is centuries from the current age and totally bananas.

[Linkedblade]

The rest will come when the Apothecary discovers how to make a true plague of undeath.

The Forsaken that ventured to Outland were looking for a cure to the plague. Could you imagine a "re-living" population from the area? I always thought the idea of a cured Forsaken could lead to some cool stuff.

[dangelo37]

It's not so much Lordaeron as it is Undercity these days. Even if (HUUUUGE if) the alliance had the balls to invade and recapture for good, what would they have really won?

Undercity (formerly Lordaeon) is essentially a giant sewer with all sorts if plague and God knows what else creeping around. There are torture chambers and a vomit green river running through it. It definitely has lost it's shine and I think Varian will NOT ever try to retake it (in WoW or in any future expansion).

[Mormolyce]

They'd have to defeat the Forsaken to do that, which obviously they can't within the context of WoW. Lore-wise I doubt they have the resources at the moment anyway. Remember that after War1, Stormwind was overrun by the Horde and after War3, Lordaeron was overrun by the Scourge. Stormwind city itself was only rebuilt a few years ago (the game's timelines are pretty unrealistic), the human kingdoms have been on the back foot since the Dark Portal opened.

WoW is basically a static world, the main storyline can't progress in the context of the game. Not without the action moving to new continents and worlds, or if Blizzard wants to keep Cataclysming the old world over and over which I sincerely doubt.

[Willeonge]

The Forsaken that ventured to Outland were looking for a cure to the plague. Could you imagine a "re-living" population from the area? I always thought the idea of a cured Forsaken could lead to some cool stuff.

But is this within Sylvanas' current goals? In her short story we see the reason she takes the Val'kyr and is creating more Forsaken is to create a shield for herself. She fears whatever lies in store for her if her mortal coil should fail. I do not think a cure to undeath would be something that she would desire, seeing that it might weaken this shield she is creating for herself out of fear.

[Deleted]

You DO understand the the Forsaken ARE the original inhabitants of Lordaeron, right? Just because they're undead now doesn't mean they have no claim to their homeland.

Is it really their homeland? They are the former followers of the assassin that killed the rightful king and usurped the crown. Then they proceeded to kill their former friends and neighbours.
Their claim to Lordaeron is based on conquest and possession, which are powerful claims on themselves, but aren't really all that just.

[anisadora]

I'd rather see Stratholme cleaned out and retaken. We could keep the old versions in the cavern of time. (The COT one, and the other one. or do the other one like the SW Stockades)

[Willeonge]

Is it really their homeland? They are the former followers of the assassin that killed the rightful king and usurped the crown. Then they proceeded to kill their former friends and neighbours.
Their claim to Lordaeron is based on conquest and possession, which are powerful claims on themselves, but aren't really all that just.

Might does make right, as you said. Yet the condition the Forsaken were in while Scourge minions..I am not so sure we can consider them followers of Arthas at all, if they were slaves within their own bodies, unable to exert any free will while shackled to the will of the Lich King. So when they are no longer enthralled in this manner, does being the original inhabitants of Lordaeron come into play?