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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
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    Possibly because we like to believe we aren't monsters ourselves?

    Honestly, if we were to enact such gruesome vengeance, in what way are we any better than the monsters we enact our vengeance upon? Shouldn't we, in turn, also be executed because of our (incredibly dangerous) psychology?

    Also: If you're so much in favor of this idea, I'd ask you: Could yóú do it? Probably not... You see, it takes a special kind of person to do something like that... And that special kind of person is the kind we lock up.
    I get your point but I don't agree with it at all. If the people committing these horrible crimes knew that they could have the same thing happen to them, it might have stopped them from doing whatever they did. If a guy tortures and kills 30 people, he doesn't deserve the right to die. He should have to go through what he did to his victims. It's not fair to the victims and their families to give the murderer a "near instant, near painless death."

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by smegdawg View Post
    The smallest crime rate would be the death penalty for any serious crimes. Removes the repeat offenders from the system and makes someone think twice about breaking laws.

    Now I wouldn't support that kind of system as there is to much of a chance for abuse of the system, or wrongfully accused being put to death. but it still has its merits.
    If a system is abused like that, that itself is a crime. Also, criminals don't generally think they are going to be caught. Extreme punishment only goes so far as a deterrence.

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Radoria View Post
    I get your point but I don't agree with it at all. If the people committing these horrible crimes knew that they could have the same thing happen to them, it might have stopped them from doing whatever they did. If a guy tortures and kills 30 people, he doesn't deserve the right to die. He should have to go through what he did to his victims. It's not fair to the victims and their families to give the murderer a "near instant, near painless death."
    Someone who would do something like that really isn't in any state of mind to consider the repercussions. Even if that someone has the clarity of mind to realize repercussions would actually exist, that kind of person will generally believe the authorities will never catch them.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    Someone who would do something like that really isn't in any state of mind to consider the repercussions. Even if that someone has the clarity of mind to realize repercussions would actually exist, that kind of person will generally believe the authorities will never catch them.
    Which is why that person deserves to be fried! =D Whatever was going on in the murderer's head at the time is completely irrelevant to me. I care only about the victims and their families and friends in situations like this. They need a sense of closure and knowing that the person that ended their loved one's life died a very slow and agonizing death just like the murderer did to their friend is the best sense of closure I can think of. I know it may seem barbaric, but it's justice, damn it.

    The murderer doesn't deserve to spend another 7 years of his life appealing trials or locked away in a nuthouse. All they deserve is to die as harshly or even worse than their victims did.

  5. #345
    Man is this awful thread still going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegdawg View Post
    The smallest crime rate would be the death penalty for any serious crimes. Removes the repeat offenders from the system and makes someone think twice about breaking laws.

    Now I wouldn't support that kind of system as there is to much of a chance for abuse of the system, or wrongfully accused being put to death. but it still has its merits.
    Like, death penalty for being a jerk to someone on the internet. Imagine how nice forums would be in such a society!

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Erfan1 View Post
    I lolled , harsher punishments dont lead to a reduction in crime though
    That's not actually true. Ever heard of Vlad the Impaler? It was said that during his reign, one could leave a cup of solid gold in the middle of the street and no one would take it.

    The reason, every crime was punishable by death. And it was a horribly painful death. Spoiler for the graphics details. He impaled people on spikes. Through the butthole for men, and through the vagina for women.

    Not that I approve of such barbarism.

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Radoria View Post
    Which is why that person deserves to be fried! =D Whatever was going on in the murderer's head at the time is completely irrelevant to me. I care only about the victims and their families and friends in situations like this. They need a sense of closure and knowing that the person that ended their loved one's life died a very slow and agonizing death just like the murderer did to their friend is the best sense of closure I can think of. I know it may seem barbaric, but it's justice, damn it.

    The murderer doesn't deserve to spend another 7 years of his life appealing trials or locked away in a nuthouse. All they deserve is to die as harshly or even worse than their victims did.
    Deserve, possibly. But it takes a monster to do that sort of thing.
    On another note: It will not grant closure any more than lifelong incarceration. What brings 'closure' is the knowledge that the authorities didn't abandon the victim. But it's not real closure. Actual closure can never, ever be had. So why stoop to the level of monsters in order to merely pretend we're giving people closure?

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by skrump View Post
    Lethal Injection ? screw that let the family of the victim decide how to punish such people and sell that shit on payperview.

    Think of the income our prison system could generate while at the same time producing quality television that would increase the chances of our children being fearful of the law thus being less likely to break it.

    It's a total win/win

    Hell we could totally capitalize on it and do death match versions of all known sports.
    We could start off small of course just to give people a taste for it doing something simple like catapulting inmates into a brick wall or running them down with cars.

    I just about crapped my pants laughing so hard at this idea i love it and I'm with ya :P

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    Deserve, possibly. But it takes a monster to do that sort of thing.
    On another note: It will not grant closure any more than lifelong incarceration. What brings 'closure' is the knowledge that the authorities didn't abandon the victim. But it's not real closure. Actual closure can never, ever be had. So why stoop to the level of monsters in order to merely pretend we're giving people closure?
    Also, giving the victims closure isn't the purpose. We aren't supposed to deny somebody their rights just to satisfy somebody else.

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    Also, giving the victims closure isn't the purpose. We aren't supposed to deny somebody their rights just to satisfy somebody else.
    Fully agreed on that.

  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    Deserve, possibly. But it takes a monster to do that sort of thing.
    On another note: It will not grant closure any more than lifelong incarceration. What brings 'closure' is the knowledge that the authorities didn't abandon the victim. But it's not real closure. Actual closure can never, ever be had. So why stoop to the level of monsters in order to merely pretend we're giving people closure?
    I'll admit that giving the murderer a slow painful death doesn't give complete closure, nothing short of resurrecting the victim will do that, but it's still the next best thing. And I would definitely argue that killing the murderer is a better sense of closure than lifelong incarceration. Having your freedom taken away from you is an awful thing. Having your life taken from you is worse.

  12. #352
    To say I'm stunned by soloedalysrazoronwarrior's original post is an understatement. He sounds like a monster akin to the murderer he wants to cause pain to. Some of the convicted murderers are actually innocent of their crimes, so if they're given the death penalty in the manner soloedalysrazoronwarrior describes, we are not only causing torment to an innocent person, we are stooping to the real murderer's level (who is still roaming free). Even if the accused is guilty of the crime, it is wrong to treat them the same way they treated another person. Two wrongs do not make a right.
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  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by caninepawprints View Post
    To say I'm stunned by soloedalysrazoronwarrior's original post is an understatement. He sounds like a monster akin to the murderer he wants to cause pain to. Some of the convicted murderers are actually innocent of their crimes, so if they're given the death penalty in the manner soloedalysrazoronwarrior describes, we are not only causing torment to an innocent person, we are stooping to the real murderer's level (who is still roaming free). Even if the accused is guilty of the crime, it is wrong to treat them the same way they treated another person. Two wrongs do not make a right.
    That's your opinion.

    Retributive justice is a valid form of justice.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    Also, giving the victims closure isn't the purpose. We aren't supposed to deny somebody their rights just to satisfy somebody else.
    Do you think the murderer was pondering his victims' rights when he lopped off their heads with a samurai sword? And just how many rights would you like to see a person like this have? A lot of this shit is circumstantial but...in general, when you go around killing innocent people, there's just no need for a big lengthy trial and years of appeals. And what would you say to the family and friends of the victims? "Yeah he's a bad guy, but don't worry, he'll be in prison for 2 years." I want an eye for an eye damn it. You kill someone, you die too. If the victim had no rights while being tortured to death, then you'll have none either.

  15. #355
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    Quote Originally Posted by soloedalysrazoronwarrior View Post
    Let's try and keep the discussion civil, everyone.


    I am getting sick of all this "but he is a human we must treat him humanely" crap.
    Ok ok YOU did not treat your victims humanely when you slashed his through or blew a hole through his head WHY SHOULD YOUR DEATH BE PAINLESS? ANSWER ME!

    you call this JUSTICE? What is JUSTICE? it is when you are FORCED to suffer at least as much as the victim suffered THAT is the fundamental definition of "Justice".
    We need to stop with all this "Humane" crap and start giving lethal injections with the murderer fully awake so he will feel the entire process and get to know the worthless piece of trash he is.
    Murderers should not be treated as human. They are sub-human and should be treated like dirt. A mouse trap kills a mouse in agony, a murderer is given a death sentence UNCONSCIOUS! so he does not feel ANY PAIN! Im sorry but I value the mice over the Murderer.

    STOP GIVING HUMANE DEATH SENTENCES. Give it to them AWAKE!

    Because its a justice system, not vengence. And death penalties are wrong anyway as most civilised societies have realised, I take it you are american, do you really enjoy your country being onthe same moral standing as countries like Iran and N.Korea?
    oh, and get some help, you really need it.

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by caninepawprints View Post
    To say I'm stunned by soloedalysrazoronwarrior's original post is an understatement. He sounds like a monster akin to the murderer he wants to cause pain to. Some of the convicted murderers are actually innocent of their crimes, so if they're given the death penalty in the manner soloedalysrazoronwarrior describes, we are not only causing torment to an innocent person, we are stooping to the real murderer's level (who is still roaming free). Even if the accused is guilty of the crime, it is wrong to treat them the same way they treated another person. Two wrongs do not make a right.
    Yeah you'll have some innocent people die some pretty gruesome deaths, but there's no way to filter all of the innocent ones out of there. Same goes for our system today.

    And what would you have done to someone like Ted Bundy? Give him a slap on the wrist? Tell him it's not nice to go around luring young, innocent girls to his car and then bashing their brains in with a log so he can screw them even after they're dead? There's nothing you can do for these people. One way or another they turned evil and nothing will ever bring them back so the best thing you can do is kill the shit out of them once you catch them. Their victims received no mercy so neither do they.

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    That's not actually true. Ever heard of Vlad the Impaler? It was said that during his reign, one could leave a cup of solid gold in the middle of the street and no one would take it.

    The reason, every crime was punishable by death. And it was a horribly painful death. Spoiler for the graphics details. He impaled people on spikes. Through the butthole for men, and through the vagina for women.

    Not that I approve of such barbarism.
    Vlad the Impaler is remembered either as a vicious bloodthirsty tyrant or a glorious hero depending on what you read (no doubt heavily influenced by the political position of the original writer), I think anything said of him is somewhat suspect.

    The story of the golden chalice was that he placed it himself and anyone could use it but no-one ever dared to steal it. And Wallachia at the time was overrun with bandits. It's a nice story but undoubtedly just that, a story.
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  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by tlacoatl View Post
    Because its a justice system, not vengence. And death penalties are wrong anyway as most civilised societies have realised, I take it you are american, do you really enjoy your country being onthe same moral standing as countries like Iran and N.Korea?
    oh, and get some help, you really need it.
    Me and many other people consider vengeance to be a form of justice. And where the hell do you get off comparing the moral standing of America to that of North Korea and Iran...? I'll admit our government is corrupt as all hell, but not in the same league as North Korea and Iran.

    "And death penalties are wrong anyway as most civilised societies have realised," Do you have a "Z" key on your keyboard? And are you able to read this text way up there on your high horse?

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by Radoria View Post
    Me and many other people consider vengeance to be a form of justice. And where the hell do you get off comparing the moral standing of America to that of North Korea and Iran...? I'll admit our government is corrupt as all hell, but not in the same league as North Korea and Iran.

    "And death penalties are wrong anyway as most civilised societies have realised," Do you have a "Z" key on your keyboard? And are you able to read this text way up there on your high horse?

    I can tolerate your view but not understand it.
    You are one of those people who happily accept innocent people being put to death.
    You can have whatever opinion you want about the death penalty but it cant erase that YOU are okey with innocent people being put to death.

    North Korea make sense, they dont care either, neither does you if you have any knowledge whatsoever about the system. and logic.
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  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    I can tolerate your view but not understand it.
    You are one of those people who happily accept innocent people being put to death.
    You can have whatever opinion you want about the death penalty but it cant erase that YOU are okey with innocent people being put to death.

    North Korea make sense, they dont care either, neither does you if you have any knowledge whatsoever about the system. and logic.
    I would rather tighten situations in which the death penalty were applicable (people likely to re-offend, repeat offenders, multiple murderers, etc).

    Get rid of it entirely? Absolutely not.

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