WHY Lethal Injections NEED to be given WITH the Murderer AWAKE!

[Lenonis]

On this forum there is a lack of humane feeling. So don't expect any decent answers.

Eh, there is a lack of empathy in general, but especially on the internet.

I was talking to someone via a mutual friend on facebook who basically just said that there are no civil rights issues that matter in this election. Regardless of bringing up woman's issues or marriage equality he just held the stance that those were not important. It was probably significant to note he was a straight white male...

He just couldn't fathom why someone else's struggle should be considered important.

[petej0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...th_row_inmates

I never said it DIDNT happen. I said that the number is low. That number will continue to decrease as technology gets better and as government tracks more people

[Deadvolcanoes]

Some families can't afford a bed. Why should prisoners get them? Some families can't afford meat and have to eat rice and beans. Why shouldn't prisoners just eat that? Some families can't afford hot water, why should prisoners?

You accused me of issuing a slippery slope fallacy, but you are really doing the same. You are trying to argue that prisoners should be treated worse than the poorest americans. The poorest americans literally have nothing. No clothes, no food, no shelter.

So I ask you again -- where is the line?

This is actually a great example.

Should prisoners be given tempurpedic mattresses, or just the shit they currently have.

And I'm not arguing that they should be treated worse than the poorest animals. Stop strawmanning me. I'm arguing that they shouldn't receive incredible luxuries before we kill them.

Give them their regular meals. They don't need or deserve steak and lobster.

[petej0]

Eh, there is a lack of empathy in general, but especially on the internet.

I was talking to someone via a mutual friend on facebook who basically just said that there are no civil rights issues that matter in this election. Regardless of bringing up woman's issues or marriage equality he just held the stance that those were not important. It was probably significant to note he was a straight white male...

He just couldn't fathom why someone else's struggle should be considered important.

What about the struggles of those trying to find a job? I guess they come second to birth control?

[Lenonis]

And I'm not arguing that they should be treated worse than the poorest animals. Stop strawmanning me. I'm arguing that they shouldn't receive incredible luxuries before we kill them.

Give them their regular meals. They don't need or deserve steak and lobster.

I'm not strawmanning you.

You are the one who keeps going back to "the poorest families can't afford it so why should we give it to them." I'm just presenting the full scope of your argument.

Look, I don't think you are going to get many people who think that prisoners should live a life of luxury. And many places already have limits on what the "last meal" can consist of.

I don't really think your issue is the last meal. I think your issue is that prisoners should live a miserable existence and made to suffer and wallow in misery because of the crimes they committed.

There, NOW I've strawmanned you. :P

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What about the struggles of those trying to find a job? I guess they come second to birth control?

WTF does this even mean?

[petej0]

Eh, there is a lack of empathy in general, but especially on the internet.

It isnt that we dont have empathy, it is just we have more empathy for the family of the victims.

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WTF does this even mean?

It means that the economy is far more important then forcing insurance companies to provide birth control for free. I would gladly fight for "free" birth control for women, but given the state of our economy it isnt high on many peoples list of worries. In a time when most people are struggling to find a job or even feed themselves we have politicians fighting over "free" birth control.

[Lenonis]

It means that the economy is far more important then forcing insurance companies to provide birth control for free. I would gladly fight for "free" birth control for women, but given the state of our economy it isnt high on many peoples list of worries. In a time when most people are struggling to find a job or even feed themselves we have politicians fighting over "free" birth control.

I don't even want to know where you get your information if you think this election was about birth control and only birth control.

Plus you are doing that whole "her der the government can only do one thing at a time. One and only one. No possible way they could do more than one thing at a time! Nope!"

Plus you are making sweeping generalizations about what people think is the most important issue. (Hint -- surveys of women did not have economy as their #1 concern. It was also not birth control.)

And last but not least you have the broad assumption that the GOP had the better plan for the economy.

[Deadvolcanoes]

II don't really think your issue is the last meal. I think your issue is that prisoners should live a miserable existence and made to suffer and wallow in misery because of the crimes they committed.

Those that have committed the most heinous of crimes should live a miserable existence, void of any and all luxuries.

[Necrotan]

It isnt that we dont have empathy, it is just we have more empathy for the family of the victims.

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It means that the economy is far more important then forcing insurance companies to provide birth control for free. I would gladly fight for "free" birth control for women, but given the state of our economy it isnt high on many peoples list of worries. In a time when most people are struggling to find a job or even feed themselves we have politicians fighting over "free" birth control.

You also seem very uneducated on the reason the birth control issue is important. It IS medical treatment in a lot of cases and not just for preventing babies.

[Lenonis]

Those that have committed the most heinous of crimes should live a miserable existence, void of any and all luxuries.

Why stop there? Why not just torture them until they die of starvation? Why not rape them if they are guilty of rape? Maybe be sure they are raped numerous times to be sure they really suffered. Killing them would be too kind, so we should keep them alive as long as possible while finding new and exciting ways of giving them excruciating agony.

EDIT - I don't know if you realize this or are getting the point of my exaggerations...but you are all over the place. You keep going between extreme and reasonable stances so it's hard to figure out what you actually think.

[Necrotan]

Those that have committed the most heinous of crimes should live a miserable existence, void of any and all luxuries.

That is not a case of logic then but emotion and my empathy vs apathy statement holds. Why is my emotional response more or less right than yours? Who can judge that? Sure not you or I.

[raffie]

No one should have the right to end someones life no matter the crime they commited.

[Deadvolcanoes]

Why stop there? Why not just torture them until they die of starvation? Why not rape them if they are guilty of rape? Maybe be sure they are raped numerous times to be sure they really suffered. Killing them would be too kind, so we should keep them alive as long as possible while finding new and exciting ways of giving them excruciating agony.

EDIT - I don't know if you realize this or are getting the point of my exaggerations...but you are all over the place. You keep going between extreme and reasonable stances so it's hard to figure out what you actually think.

I'm talking about .0001% of prisoners. Those on death row.

I don't believe we should execute them, but I also think their lives should be devoid of luxury and happiness. I've been very consistent in stating this.

[petej0]

I don't even want to know where you get your information if you think this election was about birth control and only birth control.

Plus you are doing that whole "her der the government can only do one thing at a time. One and only one. No possible way they could do more than one thing at a time! Nope!"

Plus you are making sweeping generalizations about what people think is the most important issue. (Hint -- surveys of women did not have economy as their #1 concern. It was also not birth control.)

And last but not least you have the broad assumption that the GOP had the better plan for the economy.

1 - Birth Control and abortion was a big issue on the minds of many women that I know. Many disregarded anything Romney had to say because they didnt like his stance on those issue.

2 - Yes, the government can do more then one thing at a time. But between the economy, decline home values, unemployment, the trade imbalance, high energy costs, foreign policy issues, the debt & deficit, taxes etc... those issues do not even fall on the radar of important issues affecting our nation.

3 - Your assumption that I assume the GOP had a better plan is asinine. Democrats could very well have a better plan, but to have a nation voting on a candidate based on social policies and not more important fiscal and economic policies is my point. You can sit there and claim that many people didnt vote on social issues, but I am willing to bet there are more then you know. They probably wont admit it, but they did. Remember the GOP waged a war on women.

I myself voted third party because I know both the left and the right can not fix the mess they created, thats why they focus on 3rd rail issues.

[Northern Goblin]

The OP's suggest crosses over from what people perceive as justice, to what would essentially be revenge.

That's not what the criminal punishment system is about, personally I'm very much against the Death penalty in general, but as long as it's done with some dignity, it's a touch above revenge killings.

[Deadvolcanoes]

That is not a case of logic then but emotion and my empathy vs apathy statement holds. Why is my emotional response more or less right than yours? Who can judge that? Sure not you or I.

I've already told you that my opinion is no more valid than yours.

[petej0]

You also seem very uneducated on the reason the birth control issue is important. It IS medical treatment in a lot of cases and not just for preventing babies.

I know that, but at which point did it become such a burden to purchase birthcontrol? Also if it is needed for a medical reason then insurance would cover it, you have to discuss this with your provider. Sadly many dont, it seems force through legislation is easier.

[Necrotan]

1 - Birth Control and abortion was a big issue on the minds of many women that I know. Many disregarded anything Romney had to say because they didnt like his stance on those issue.

2 - Yes, the government can do more then one thing at a time. But between the economy, decline home values, unemployment, the trade imbalance, high energy costs, foreign policy issues, the debt & deficit, taxes etc... those issues do not even fall on the radar of important issues affecting our nation.

3 - Your assumption that I assume the GOP had a better plan is asinine. Democrats could very well have a better plan, but to have a nation voting on a candidate based on social policies and not more important fiscal and economic policies is my point. You can sit there and claim that many people didnt vote on social issues, but I am willing to bet there are more then you know. They probably wont admit it, but they did. Remember the GOP waged a war on women.

I myself voted third party because I know both the left and the right can not fix the mess they created, thats why they focus on 3rd rail issues.

I did vote on civil and human rights issues. Because something as hard fought as those are can not be let to go backwards on. The rest mean less if we let those go. I think both you and I are important because no one issue is not important. You voting on economics and me rights lets hopefully meet somewhere in the middle.

Though you are right, as long as we think in terms of right and left nothing is going to get done.

[Deleted]

Let's not start a discussion of birth control or anything related to it, okay?

Try and remain on topic.

[Necrotan]

I know that, but at which point did it become such a burden to purchase birthcontrol? Also if it is needed for a medical reason then insurance would cover it, you have to discuss this with your provider. Sadly many dont, it seems force through legislation is easier.

Theres no easy answer. Force through legislation is arguably removing freedom, but the want for it to happen is arguably because our system of profit and greed corners the poor. Insurance companies don't want to because it means less profit. Drug companies charge more because people need it for more reasons. Arguing someone into making less money is hard because capitalism is the one true way.

I'm gonna say a dirty word here, socialism, it is not perfect either, no system is really. Which tells me we have to try a combination of systems to make things more sustainable. It is a tricky and hard idea though but something needs to give and capitalism breeds greed like rabbits on aphrodisiacs.

This is all off topic though. So I'll leave it at that.