[Prot] Fix my Tanking!

[Deleted]

Never gem stam, replace all non 320 haste gems with 320 gems (you can if u want take the socket bonus on helm and chest). Trinkets are kinda meh (dps wise especially), if u have hc spark from ToT go with that along with thok's tail whip ideally. Just with the regemming and trinket changes u should gain 10% or so haste, that will make a big difference to smoothing ur damage intake and boost ur dps. Drop HA for Divine purpose (only fight u should use HA is Malk for solo soaking blood rage). You should'nt lose aggro to ur co tanks (except if there are multiple targets), but to grab better threat on tank switches, make sure u taunt with 5 hp slam SotR in his face then judgement another SotR followed by AS. By the time u done that u should have taken enough hits to have some decent vengeance so threat should be fine. Remember u have a salvation u can use if u want
You should also replace DP glyph with final wrath or focused shield.

Hi!

Thanks for your insight. You're right, I should replace those JC gems. Helmet mixed gem is going to stay, unsure about chest ones. I have read that I should be changing Rook's to Thok's trinket, but I'm not exactly following you on saying Malk's trinket as meh, as I've read about anywhere it's great. Care to elaborate on that?

Switching HA out is likely sound advice, but I'm not sure about losing DP glyph as that 20% reduction on all damage seems quite decent (apart from some purposes 40% magic is better, which isn't many cases afaik?), isn't it?

Finally, I think my threat description might've been a bit unclear. I have no trouble at all on boss tank swaps.
What I meant was that on trash, if I get a few second headstart (both tanks at 0 vengeance in start of pull), I'll lose the aggro right away. Basically, aggro issue on where it doesn't really matter at all, but still... Well, it's a bit of a trouble on Gary P1 adds too, but that's more to do with the other tank having boatload of vengeance.

Edit: I have currently LFR Thok's trinket, is it worth swapping for N-WF Rook's?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Malkorok's trinket is great on some fights and meh on others (when you are having to wait to use a cooldown because of a timer). A fight like Immerseus is an example of it being useless, while it allows you to use Avenging Wrath on the pull and during Blood Rage for solo-ing on Malkorok.

There are also other fights where you simply don't need the stamina.

[trystero]

Hi!

Thanks for your insight. You're right, I should replace those JC gems. Helmet mixed gem is going to stay, unsure about chest ones. I have read that I should be changing Rook's to Thok's trinket, but I'm not exactly following you on saying Malk's trinket as meh, as I've read about anywhere it's great. Care to elaborate on that?

Switching HA out is likely sound advice, but I'm not sure about losing DP glyph as that 20% reduction on all damage seems quite decent (apart from some purposes 40% magic is better, which isn't many cases afaik?), isn't it?

Finally, I think my threat description might've been a bit unclear. I have no trouble at all on boss tank swaps.
What I meant was that on trash, if I get a few second headstart (both tanks at 0 vengeance in start of pull), I'll lose the aggro right away. Basically, aggro issue on where it doesn't really matter at all, but still... Well, it's a bit of a trouble on Gary P1 adds too, but that's more to do with the other tank having boatload of vengeance.

Edit: I have currently LFR Thok's trinket, is it worth swapping for N-WF Rook's?

You only need Rook's when you need the stamina cushion. Think of it this way: stamina's your best survivability stat. Eventually though diminishing returns kicks in, hard, and you no longer need the padded stamina. You're able to survive just fine without it. You're at that point now I guarantee you. So, yes, use LFR Thok's over Rook's in general. Suppose though you're doing a fight where there's a lot of bursty magic damage (e.g. Dark Shamans Heroic) and you want to give yourself a little more durability. Rook's could work there.

[Deleted]

Thanks for your gearing and talent/glyph advice. I have made some changes, any further suggestions on those aspects?
Furthermore, it would be much appreciated if you could point out things to improve upon from the logs I posted.

[Deleted]

Hey guys, I will be starting to tank SoO 10HC this Sunday and would appreciate any criticism of my gear (~558) especially anything that i will be able to find as an upgrade this lockout before i go into HC. The empty glyph slot normaly is used for Focused Shield on ST fights.

Most of our raid team is 6/14HC, I am however new to the game and have just moved from holy to prot to fill a raid vacancy. I have tanked a couple of normal clears without any problems and am confident that my rotation is roughly correct.

If there are any resources from a tanking viewpoint with good info on SoO bosses (currently fatboss videos are what i have been watching) especially any ones with pally tricks i would appreciate being pointed in that direction.

I am currently using HA, though i understand DP will give me slightly higher uptime in general? I have been using HA on the pull to ensure my active mitigation is up and i have high threat as early as possible in the fight and after that as a physical defensive cooldown. Should i be switching to DP?

I know Thok's trinket is meant to be a solid item, however the juggernaut is the only other tank trinket i have been able to get hold of. A guildie suggested the 550 pvp trinket might be more useful to me than it, would this be worth grinding?

I haven't been able to get hold of any logs of my normal runs yet.

Any other constructive criticism would be appreciated and I will get back to you with logs after Sunday's raid if anyone would be happy to take a look at them for me.

Name: Dayras
Server: Aggrammar

[Moussaka]

@Saryad

Gems and reforges are decent. Ilvl upgrades is the next step for you.

Switch to DP, there is no real reason not to. HA is good if you solo blood rage on Malk and/or solo tank Thok.
Do not take Pursuit of Justice, SoL and eventually LAotL are your best bets depending the encounter.

I'm not sure if pvp trinket is a good idea. On use stam might help here and there but I think that smart cd usage prevents you to use it at all already.
You can farm Horridon's Spark (ToT) which is all around good, Vial on Malkorock for survivability (I really like this one), Skeer/Core for dps.
The SPA exp trinket is also worth noticing against the IJ one.

The first 6 bosses won't cause you any real issue. Just use your cds at the correct time and do what you're supposed to do.
Just ask if you want a boss to boss review, I can pm you what I do/use using our strats in mind.

[trystero]

Thanks for your gearing and talent/glyph advice. I have made some changes, any further suggestions on those aspects?
Furthermore, it would be much appreciated if you could point out things to improve upon from the logs I posted.

It's hard for me to really critique someone who has taken HA and doing NM content, to be honest. I'm also not sure what haste level you were @ on the logs you posted, so I can't estimate how many abilities you should've used. With that said, your logs look solid at a cursory glance.

[Deja Thoris]

I know Thok's trinket is meant to be a solid item, however the juggernaut is the only other tank trinket i have been able to get hold of.
Any other constructive criticism would be appreciated and I will get back to you with logs after Sunday's raid if anyone would be happy to take a look at them for me.

Name: Dayras
Server: Aggrammar

I'd take a 450 ghost iron dragonling over Jugg's trink. Nothing wrong with 1800 good stats (haste / exp / mastery) The self heal from Jugg's crystal is about as valuable as the damage the dragonling does :P

[Deleted]

Just ask if you want a boss to boss review, I can pm you what I do/use using our strats in mind.

It would be great if you could give me a quick summary of the "danger zones" for each fight and advice on which cooldowns to use for them.

[Overdispersion]

Could you please take a look at our prot palas dps on juggernaut hc progress and see if he's doing something wrong dps wise? His survivability's fine, but we're trying to only get one siege phase and seems like our tank dps is the most improvable ones.
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/9496/

armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Thebj/advanced

[Moussaka]

@Overdispersion

He has very low haste for this ilvl. He should replace some of his haste/stam or haste/exp for full haste gems. Also some items are dodge/parry or the like, this is not what he wants (but I guess loot RNG is RNG).
Avenging Wrath glyph is bad, he should change it to Focused Shield/Alabaster/Word of Glory/Final Wrath depending the encounter. Also I hope he does not use Divine Protection glyph on IJ.
Specifically for IJ: FS/FW/Alab or WoG. It should improve his dps by a good margin.

Although he can do better, I don't know for other pals in here but IJ is not the fight where my dps is very high as we are 10 man and do not one tank it.
If he is assigned to take all mines (like we do), uptime on the boss is even lower, especially if you stand at the back of the "room" in p2.

[trystero]

Could you please take a look at our prot palas dps on juggernaut hc progress and see if he's doing something wrong dps wise? His survivability's fine, but we're trying to only get one siege phase and seems like our tank dps is the most improvable ones.
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/9496/

armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Thebj/advanced

Looking at those logs I do not walk away saying, "the biggest concern here is clearly DPS." On 25 attempts maybe 2 were the result of not killing the boss fast enough? Maybe, probably not even then; it's ambitious to approach a fight like a DPS race when you're 3 healing it.

People are dying constantly. Sometimes it's their fault, like not using any defensives at all or standing in cannons, but other times it's like the warrior (attempt 21) went 9s without receiving any heals at all. Then he used Shield Wall to take a mine (which I assume he was forced to do), which is fine but where are your healers? Or attempt 22 the holy paladin went 6s with no heals except for random shit from the MW. How does a healer not receive heals from himself or others for that many GCDs? Just go down the list and it's epidemic. You didn't log using Advanced Logging so I cannot review your raid's positioning but I'd seriously look into that, because it's possible during Siege Phase that you're too spread out.

And you say the tank survivability is fine yet I'm seeing both of them, but mostly the prot paladin, dying on several attempts. I mean the prot paladin is using Sacred Shield in a tier where EF >> SS and especially on a fight where the HoT would be very useful. He'll take Flame Vents for 500k+, no CDs used whatsoever. Some of those deaths aren't the tanks' faults, granted, like a few times the DK was running around getting mines and no one was healing him at all. You need to focus him, make sure he doesn't die...responsibility is shared, best seen in attempt 5. Here your prot paladin took lots of unmitigated damage (his fault) but received two legitimate heals (Holy Shock 136k / Atonement 119k) for 14s (their fault). MW is MW I guess but what are your others doing there?

I'd say the prot paladin's DPS is the least of your concerns right now.

[Deja Thoris]

Yea the palas dps is the least of his problems.

Hes using seal of truth which is so bad its off the scale for prot. On all your attempts combined it did 22m dmg at the cost of heaps of survivability. Also he needs to use EF as was stated.
On your 6 minute attempt his shield of the righteous uptime was 17% (fine its lower because you run away but thats bad) He also never used DP once that fight, its kinda the go tool tool to take later stacks of flame vents.
He also never uses holy wrath. It hits hard with high vengeance. Get him to read the prot rotation in the sticky. (and his his abilities faster - I'd bet money hes a clicker)

[MerinPally]

Your 570ilvl heroic geared protection paladin has a significantly lower amount of haste than me, and I am 530 half LFR gear half TOT or before. Haste is the number one stat. The logs are not promising given the number others are quoting. He really needs to go read about the class and find out what he's doing, missing entire spells out with terrible uptimes.

But then by the sounds of it, this isn't even your biggest problem.

[Alenko]

Just picked the game back up this past Monday (5/20) from where I left off at the start of Cata. J/W if anyone has any insight as to which raid fights to look to continue the gearing.

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...angaurd/simple

Also before anyone asks, this toons name used to be Alenko (always felt bad for killing him every time) but when I transferred that name was taken so went with Vanguard (ME class), that was taken so just flipped the a and u. Never knew of a "famous" pally with the correct spelling of the same name.

[Moussaka]

With timeless coins you can buy charms for ToT gear, I guess you have enough ilvl to queue in LFR. Coin the bosses with Ret loot spec.
With valor points you can also buy the exp trinket from the Shado Pan Assault, which is helpful to begin with.
Then you will be able to queue for SoO LFR I guess. Or do ToT normal mode (if you have 515-520 ilvl, even less, I'm not entirely sure).

Other option is to buy or make helm, feet (522 ilvl), waist, legs (553 ilvl) crafts.

Don't forget to do Celestials and scenarios. For the later, the first one in a day can loot you a random 516 ilvl piece for your spec.

[mournbladee]

hi guys, brand new here. and while im not a die hard raider, i love pvp. that is untill ive been getting my butt handed to me. im pretty sure im set up correctly. i just feel like im more of a target than a threat. is it just me or ret pallys just mediocre now. could you maybe let me know if im missing something or if my set up is more of a hindrance than helpful. i dont really keep an eye on my dps in pvp, but when i run LFRs, im doing about 90k average. and usually im in the low middle, somtimes higher. any help would be appreciated. sorry about the lack of info. i cant post any links yet.
us.battlenet.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/móurnblade/simple

[Deja Thoris]

hi guys, brand new here. and while im not a die hard raider, i love pvp. that is untill ive been getting my butt handed to me. im pretty sure im set up correctly. i just feel like im more of a target than a threat. is it just me or ret pallys just mediocre now. could you maybe let me know if im missing something or if my set up is more of a hindrance than helpful. i dont really keep an eye on my dps in pvp, but when i run LFRs, im doing about 90k average. and usually im in the low middle, somtimes higher. any help would be appreciated. sorry about the lack of info. i cant post any links yet.
us.battlenet.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/móurnblade/simple

This is a prot paladin thread, not ret.

[Promdates]

Well, meh.

Our guild officially stopped raiding , our last raid was last Wednesday and we won't raid untill end of August

Officially looking for 25 man heroic guild. Can help with progress! Pretty please <3

On another hand , holy shit ranking on 25 man is insanely easy. I am running 8/14 25 heroic on my horde paladin each reset, and wow, just check these. Especially you liminara xD

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-i7mv6obu0dwzx3t8/

It's worldoflogs. The site has been broken, buggy and not supported since 5.4 dropped. Most people who care about ranking are using Warcraft Logs now. I would suggest the swap.

[celinamuna]

Well, meh.

Our guild officially stopped raiding , our last raid was last Wednesday and we won't raid untill end of August

Officially looking for 25 man heroic guild. Can help with progress! Pretty please <3

On another hand , holy shit ranking on 25 man is insanely easy. I am running 8/14 25 heroic on my horde paladin each reset, and wow, just check these. Especially you liminara xD

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-i7mv6obu0dwzx3t8/

You mean a raid size full of paladins stacking mastery even at 580+ ilvl will be easy to rank ?
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Regardless, grats, i remember i pugged 25N garrosh, and the amount of veng made me very happy.

Also, come tank for us, so i can play ret.

Also, i think i had some of the best ranks with a lower dps groups (immerseus,galakras, and a few others) simply by the virtue of "moar dmg on ads"