Actually that has been proven wrong many times over by real life. In the current age you are required a certain level of income to be successful. The question becomes how you get that. You yourself said you go yours through help from your family. Many others do not have that option and their jobs refuse to give them enough to do anything beyond just survive (if that much).
Yes, I do know of people who started off as poor as made something with it, but absolutely all of them used drugs money to subsidize that. Whether it was a company that sold trailers (subsidized by cocaine), an electronics shop (subsidized by heroin) or a auto-shop (subsidized by weed) all were subsidized by drugs since they couldn't get that help from other sources.
Some got out of the drug game after they made it. Some, I heard, did not. But I have yet to hear of a single person out here who made it from the families where they were rolling pennies for gas to a well-off position without someone stepping in to throw in money on their behalf and lots of it.
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Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
No no no. You just have to work (pray) harder. If you fail, it just means you didn't work (pray) hard enough. Your success (salvation) will come. You just need to let the free market invisible hand (having faith in god) do its thing and everything will be (magically) better.
See why we are asking for the healthcare plan because paying 200-400$ a month for healthcare is bullshit even more so when it barely covers anything"Depending the company you have to go threw"
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Amen!!!!!!
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Thanks and not to get to personal i was on disability until they decided because i flipped the age of 18 i no longer needed my meds. i fought it for 3 years and lost it at the age of 21.
I was on it from 10 to 21 *when they finally took it away* because and i Quote "The rules are different"
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Because conservative Americans are brainwashed by the Republicans and all their fear mongering spouted by the likes of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the folks at Fox News has made people believe that healthcare for all equals socialism and socialism equals bad. Pretty sure if socialism was even the least bit bad, we wouldn't have equal opportunity healthcare here in Canada.
Its big business so companies lobby heavily to keep it this way. People who would be better off with universal healthcare vote against it because they believe that people "earned" it or believe that businesses are looking out for them and would help them if it wasnt for the "government getting in their way." They obviously fail to recognize that businesses just see them as a way to make money and will do whatever the government allows them to do to exploit them.
The problem is a simple one ... greed.
The almighty dollar rules all. Profit must keep going up at all costs. Companies believe they must make the maximum amount they can, cutting and squeezing to wring out every last penny.
Bullshit.
This is America's problem. Yes, companies should try to make a profit. But if you can pay a decent wage and provide benefits for your employees and still make a profit, you should. How much money is enough??? Billionaires trying to make billions more and the hell with who it hurts. Companies making record profits cutting wages. This is ridiculous!
Until we stop worshiping money at all costs America will never get on track. Seems to me asking people who have millions of dollars to pay a bit more is a no brainer.
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
It would appear that you believe in the 'You didn't build that on your own' mantra... so let me ask you this... Where do you think the capital used to start businesses comes from? it comes from those that earn it and are willing to take a risk to start said business... Where do you think the funding comes from for the roads, bridges, infrastructure comes from? Here is a hint.. it doesn't come from those that dont pay taxes... it comes from those that DO pay taxes. We have the things in this country because someone decided that the potential gain outweighed the potential risk... when you make the risk or expense too great, then folks stop trying to gain. Ponder that.
You cant get a job from a poor person, you cant cure poverty by stealing from the rich or taxing the fuck out of them and throwing it at the poor.... you cure poverty by encouraging education and personal responsibility.
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Sam Walton seems to have done alright.You cant get a job from a poor person
Education requires taxes. And how does one "encourage personal responsibility" on a macroeconomic level?you cure poverty by encouraging education and personal responsibility
and you cant rationally expect that the rich decide to create jobs just by virtue of having more money either. because reality hasn't borne that theory out. if you want to reward job creators, fine. im all for that. just make them create the jobs first, instead of giving them the benefit without the effort or deed
The problem with this vague concept of "personal responsibility" is that society and imbalance exists and is intrinsic to the system. You can't have your cake and eat it; either you acknowledge the system needs people of various classes and should be treated with respect for doing these jobs, or you change this system, make everybody completely equal, then let personal responsibility be the guiding factor.
In fact as far as I'm aware the UK is the only european nation that outright bans guns for civilians.This is why people ban guns. Gun supporters don't know what guns are.Shotguns I'll give you (provided you're allowed 12 and larger gauges... because I mean... come on...) but not .22s.
Sorry to break up your post but I wanted to give my reply some detail.
The "you didn't build that" thing? Partially, but only because there is a lot of truth to it. I mostly believe in community, brotherhood, giving a hand up instead of a handout or hand down.
Do you mean just the owner-operator, the investor, or both? Is this where we bring up guys like the SBA? Or are you claiming the federal government has had nothing to do with that?
So are you trying to claim that only CEO's pay taxes? Lots of folks pay taxes. I pay taxes.
Exactly and in many cases, like Hoover Damn and the Tennessee Valley Authority, it was "us," through the federal government, that decided the potential gain outweighed the risk. Do you need more examples? Eisenhower's Interstates. Need more? How about the flood insurance for some areas affected by Sandy that folks couldn't get through "private" insurers so had to get federally backed varieties. Pondering galore!
Absolutely, all the labor and discrimination laws sprang out of thin air with no actual cause requiring them. Just as the anti-trust laws, that helped make it possible for many of these CEO's to get "rich" occurred to the president while looking out at our perfect land and sipping tea. And he decided, "what the hell." I encourage responsibility and accountability.
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Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
If you are unhappy. Iv'e heard someone say self-deportation was the option. Maybe CEO's should consider self-deportation.