0 Rogues used in BL world first kill of Empress

[Lolretadin]

Oh, look. Only one Ret Paladin as well. They probably would have replaced it if they had the chance.

If you look, the only dps they have more than one of are Demo Warlocks, Fire Mages, Balance Druids, and Ele Shaman.
Every other dps spec was either not represented or only had 1 in the group. There were no spriests in the group, for example. Just because your class wasn't used, that doesn't mean it's bad. Hell, if being underrepresented meant that your class needed buffs, Ret would have had the most buffs in every patch note from TBC to mid-Cataclysm.

[Ragedaug]

Your thoughts?

That every world first kill should have exactly 2.27(repeating of course) members of every class represented, or Blizzard has FAILED at making classes balanced. If only they could make every class do the exact same thing in all the exact same ways...then it would be perfect, AMIRITE!? better yet, why not delete 7 classes and make only 4 classes with 1 spec each so you could have a tank a heals class, a ranged DPS class, and a melee DPS class. Ranged and Melee DPS would need to have the exact same abilities though, only with a 40 yard distance for the ranged classes. Then everything could be exactly equal!

[Zace]

10 combo points envenom CT FoK. Yeah, It's not hard as mut.
That's the best way to max poison dmg in an aoe burst.

I don't get what you're trying to argue here, Rogue AoE is inferior to all the classes they used.

[Deleted]

its probably just that they found more utility in other classes or just that there rogues were under preforming? who knows lets wait for there interview?

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That every world first kill should have exactly 2.27(repeating of course) members of every class represented, or Blizzard has FAILED at making classes balanced. If only they could make every class do the exact same thing in all the exact same ways...then it would be perfect, AMRITE!? better yet, why not delete 7 classes and make only 4 classes with 1 spec each so you could have a tank a heals class, a ranged DPS class, and a melee DPS class. Ranged and Melee DPS would need to have the exact same abilities though, only with a 40 yard distance for the ranged classes. Then everything could be exactly equal!

lol <3 this

[Enhshamanlol]

I don't get what you're trying to argue here, Rogue AoE is inferior to all the classes they used.

Again, Not true. If you time it right it's not as bad as you think.

[Yalingo]

One world first guild didn't use your class for 1 encounter. The sky is falling.

[Enhshamanlol]

One world first guild didn't use your class for 1 encounter. The sky is falling.

Pretty much this as well,

[Agilent]

Would I be wrong if I guessed this fight has a lot of AoE? Because outside of Blade Flurry Rogue AoE dps is laughable.

I highly doubt it has anything to do with AoE otherwise there would be a shit ton of lolfrostdks.

[Deleted]

now im just saying some random number, so dont take these number as a fact.
lets say their ret did 200k dps and their rogue did 195k. then they would pick the ret just becuase of those 5k extra to maximize their chance of world first.
195k is still good but not as good as 200k.

[calculating]

pretty decent

pretty damn good.

I think you may be wrong with saying its laughable i have seen a few rogues pump out some big numbers with a combination of crimson-tempest and there other aoe abilities

Looks like people here don't know the meaning of min/maxing

[Zace]

I made one assumption about why they didn't bring a Rogue and all the armchair generals are up in arms, pretty hilarious. Please tell me more about how I should be playing my class when you have nothing to base it on. It's like chat on livestreams.

[Animaneth]

rogues aside, I think it's important to note that there were almost no meeles, if there were 2 tanks and 1 ret pally, then the reason is not that it's a personal vendetta towards rogues, it's more like the fight is favoring ranged or that meele might represent a complication to the fight that can't be avoided.

Guilds at this level will always find the way to the prize thru the path of less resistance. If the fight is ranged friendly, the composition will be ranged. If the fight is meele friendly they'll get a meele heavy comp.

[RemJay24]

Learn what? How to spam FoK and CT better, please man.

No - it really is good as mut.

[Enhshamanlol]

Looks like people here don't know the meaning of min/maxing

Min/maxing is diff than someone saying our aoe sucks.

[Zace]

rogues aside, I think it's important to note that there were almost no meeles, if there were 2 tanks and 1 ret pally, then the reason is not that it's a personal vendetta towards rogues, it's more like the fight is favoring ranged or that meele might represent a complication to the fight that can't be avoided.

Guilds at this level will always find the way to the prize thru the path of less resistance. If the fight is ranged friendly, the composition will be ranged. If the fight is meele friendly they'll get a meele heavy comp.

Like calculating said it's about min/maxing, most people don't understand how important it is when you're trying to push for world firsts because they've never raided in a top-end guild.

[Ahdehl]

Rogues are GREAT right now in PvE.

Feint the rings/force&verve
Feint/Shadowstep for the AoE cleave on Bladelord
Blade Flurry for Garalon
Good burst and AoE for Windlord
Blade Flurry and Feint for AmberShaper

[Kuthe]

Rogues OP in t13. Heaps of forum spam.
Rogues UP in t14. Heaps of forum spam.

Don't think we can win against it.

OT. Get over it, one whole raid group. It's 6 bosses/16 bosses.
Were rogues not used in MSV? No, they were, now stop complaining.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

0 DPS DK's your thoughts?

Good catch, you forgot to mention the lack of enhancement shaman, prot warriors, destro locks, and MM hunters. My thoughts are not every class and spec is equal and Blood Legion decided to play to the strengths of classes.

You could just admit you made a mistake in your first post instead of trying to make it seem like I'm somehow incorrect in my statement.

[Kael]

rogues aside, I think it's important to note that there were almost no meeles, if there were 2 tanks and 1 ret pally, then the reason is not that it's a personal vendetta towards rogues, it's more like the fight is favoring ranged or that meele might represent a complication to the fight that can't be avoided.

Guilds at this level will always find the way to the prize thru the path of less resistance. If the fight is ranged friendly, the composition will be ranged. If the fight is meele friendly they'll get a meele heavy comp.

Without going through and studying the mechanics and thinking about Empress on 25H, this is the most likely explanation. If you're minimizing melee, why bring a rogue? I'm not saying our class is broken, but there's no good answer. On 10, there are fights you MAY value having a rogue around to "break" mechanics more often than 25 (outside of hurr-de-durr Garalon feint-tanking)... it's not like it'd be the first time 25s have tried to get rid of every melee ever except for that-one-that-brings-the-buff-we-need-and-has-all-the-gear.

[Sinnermighty]

Ahdehl doesn't know how to stay alive, it's why he wasn't in. ^^