I still fail to see why people use the argument that their wasn't a Palestinian state.....
Their wasn't a Jewish state either
Their was however Palestinian people controlling majority of the area's (as proof that the UK didn't have to deal with any opposing groups till it was clear that the Jewish people where taking over)
Maybe it is a European descented thing to justify the suppression and murder of natives. As far as I know natives every single country where European migrated to had to deal with stealing of land, murder and basic right restriction.
It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. If they joined through Israel, there is a high risk of assimilation and being treated like second class citizens at this point (what with the whole resistance thingy). So would they possibly loose their culture without recognition? I would say there is a valid risk.
We have seen assimilation attempts in probably every country in the world in some way or another, at least in the form of colonization. The problem is that the Palestinians will be pinned for the actions of Hamas, the large will be pinned for the actions of the few. This is what I believe will happen.
Defending your nation against terrorists makes you a terrorist no wonder the world is so screwed up today
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and i imagine its a bit easier to get those weapons that are available to them
Love the personal attacks, I'll gladly take the high road here. What you fail to realize is that many nations want to see a two-state solution, but the terrorist leaders of Palestine can't afford to have peace, so they keep pulling this crap over and over again.
If they really wanted peace for their people, why aren't they at the negotiating table instead of lobbing rockets at random civilians. Hammas isn't even targeting specific installations, are they? Just a country trying to live in peace.
To be recognized as a nation, one must first act like one.
Current Arab-Israeli citizens aren't second class citizens (in fact, some might say they're slightly above everyone else due to affirmative action), so I really don't see why the Palestinians would have been any different.
Also, I wish Hamas were few, but sadly their numbers are pretty decent. Not to mention all the other militias (Islamic Palestinian Jihad, the different Resistance Committees and a few minor ones).
On the other hand, Israel has not been doing their part in making peace. The blockade that has been strangling the Palestinians for years, the assassinations that have been going on that started the roll for this current round of violence. I think your, albeit excellent point, applies to both sides, not just Hamas. Israel, in terms of a land issue, would not want them to be a nation. From a joint-state idea, would you want some guys that you used to want out partnering with you in government matters?
This issue is larger than what we see, sadly. I do not think that a solution is simple.
Given the restrictions and actions by Israel, it doesn't surprise me that they have a strong military base. Don't like how Israel is treating you? Join Hamas today!
The only reason I think this is because of how I think, from what I know, what would happen if they were placed into Israel society. I think their history would lead to discrimination against them, if not politically then socially. That would push them to a lower class.
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The Israeli regime is Zionist, Zionism is an almost extreme form of nationalism. It is the reason they have started so many wars in the Middle East.
Zionism is a disgusting, and very dangerous thing, and it gives Judaism a very bad name.
I was once told by a Jewish guy I know:
Jews teach their children that the Jewish people were chosen by god to spread his word (not implying that they are racially superior in any way), since they were the first godly religion at that time and they were successful; both Islam and Christianity branched off from Judaism.
Zionists teach their children that they are the chosen people because they were chosen by god and they’re better than anyone else.
Last edited by mmoc79941db17a; 2012-11-19 at 10:25 PM.