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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Had more to do with them switching to the euro than the oil. Take a peek, they switch to the euro (from the dollar) and they are suddenly a threat.
    Texas would never switch to the Euro. That's like suggesting Texas would join the EU. The would more than likely create their own currency.
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    I wouldn't be so sure.. remember when donut holes seceded from donuts and went on to be their own snack? Remember how everyone was like YEAH OK THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! Remember how they said the sprinkles would roll in and prevent them from doing it? Well look at donuts now. Huge hole in the center and a separate food.

    I for one am writing this from my bunker 50 feet below the ground. I knew this day would come when America would be destroyed. I have 600 cans of campells soup and I can sit here for years until mother nature reclaims the earth. And then when the rapture comes god will swoop me up to heaven. And I will get 72 virgins, and all the donuts will no longer have holes.

    If only Romney won, he would have set things straight with donuts.

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    Can we safely assume at this point that nobody has a viable source for the allegations regarding Ohio?

    Can you all admit you are full of shit?

    This whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

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    These are for the president to take action... to get this on a ballot in your state you have to go to your state and do it.... not on Whitehouse.gov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    Can we safely assume at this point that nobody has a viable source for the allegations regarding Ohio?
    I have not seen any source to think it was viable or not. As far as I can tell, the guy who posted it originally, just made it up on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    I'm sure people pushing the idea will enlighten us with a url. At least that is what I expected...
    I think it actually may be true, but it's not a big deal because based on the circumstances it would be expected. Think about it: people moving to and from the state, counting "eligible" voters (based on what? Census from a couple of years ago?), areas that may be growing with new housing, very high registration rates because it's a battleground state, voters not removed from the rolls until they haven't voted for 2 election cycles, etc.

    In places with strong GOTV efforts you would expect to find many precincts with over 100% registered vs eligible.

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    I for the life of me don't get it.
    Obama winning is a good thing for the GOP .. it has given them the ability to wake up and clean house.


    This is like this kid I know bitching about illegals then moving to New Mexico and going apeshit about Illegals, cause you know on a border state there would be one... LOL

    People need to grow the fuck up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    I have not seen any source to think it was viable or not. As far as I can tell, the guy who posted it originally, just made it up on the spot.
    I've found one through independent research, but the site has the tag line "Powerful Conservative Voices" so I mistrust it slightly.

    Plus, one of the counties they are claiming showed high possible fraud went to Romney. The only other county they cited as high probability of fraud has gone blue for years. And despite their claims of 1.8 million fraudulent registrants across the state, based solely on the fact that voter turnout is below voter registration numbers, 1 million less than the adjusted number voted in this election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos View Post
    So Texas wants to leave the Union, and what's the leftist reaction? .
    Actually it's a counter petition to strip everyone who signed it of their citizenship and peacefully deport them, and its around 23k+ sigs atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitterbrew View Post
    it is still a FEDERAL offence good sir.
    Well like how the PPACA was a state thing before going federal... I Would expect to see these 2 legal states left alone so they can be monitered and then we will see it on a national level
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    I have a bad feeling that a 2nd Civil War could happen... Am I the only one that feels this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smango View Post
    I have a bad feeling that a 2nd Civil War could happen... Am I the only one that feels this way?
    Yes you are.
    And if it did, it's because there are too many angry white people in states that get WAY TOO MUCH from the government angry that a cultist who shamed them is not their leader.

    I mean this is what it's about at the end of the day. Angry White people. Lets not even pretend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    I have not seen any source to think it was viable or not. As far as I can tell, the guy who posted it originally, just made it up on the spot.
    It could be that they actually believe it. I have seen Republican posters (well, one in particular) say that they don't post links because it's something that they figured out. Doesn't really serve your argument well when you're making an assertion about a recorded event without being able to provide sources to back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos View Post
    So Texas wants to leave the Union, and what's the leftist reaction? "Send in the tanks! Blockade! They will never survive on their own!" Not surprising, considering some of the worst mass murderers in history were socialists (Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung, Castro, Pot Pot, Hitler), that kinda reaction goes along with what they might do in a similar situation...

    What the fuck happened to democracy? Put it to a vote, and if a majority of the state of Texas (say 60%) agree that they should be an independent nation, let them exit peacefully. There's no need for bloodshed. I probably wouldn't vote for this, but if the people of that state want it, then they should have it. Democracy above all else. Besides, the only thing that would really change is the Federal Government's involvement in Texas, everything else could remain the same. In fact it might even prove better for them. Companies would leave Texas? LOL.
    All they have to do is lower their corporate taxes to compete with Canada (15% vs US 39% LOL) and you'd have companies LEAVING California for Texas.
    Actually, the majority of the leftist reaction in this thread has been "Cool, let 'em go. In fact, let's boot them out!" Which is unfortunate for me, being a left leaning person living in Texas, like many other left leaning people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos View Post
    So Texas wants to leave the Union, and what's the leftist reaction? "Send in the tanks! Blockade! They will never survive on their own!" Not surprising, considering some of the worst mass murderers in history were socialists (Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung, Castro, Pot Pot, Hitler), that kinda reaction goes along with what they might do in a similar situation...
    Truly the leftist reaction is to laugh at the childish antics of those too far gone to accept the consequences of democracy. Their candidate didn't win, they couldn't get rid of their archenemy in the President and so they want to take their ball and go home. To accept this petition as anything but the frantic thrashing of a pathetic minority is sort of daft, frankly. No rational person in this country would ever accept or condone the ability to leave the Union, as the consequences of that for America are extremely far reaching. Not to mention historically the precedent has been set that there is NO right to leave. This was settled by the Civil War and that event left absolutely no room for debate.

    I have a bad feeling that a 2nd Civil War could happen... Am I the only one that feels this way?
    A second Civil War is impossible.

    In the event that a lone state, for this instance say Texas, tried to overthrow local governments or federal institutions to liberate themselves from the United States, that would be considered treason and the entire might of the US Military would put down the movement and reclaim the area. Those that initiated the movement and supported it would be dragged off for trial, as per the law.

    In the event that a new confederacy were to spring up, they would lack the military power to successfully fight off the US Government. Even in the event that you could persuade some of the military to join your side, even if by some chance the new militias that sprang up in this new confederacy were more than a bunch of guys with little to no training in combat, the new confederacy would lack the power to fend off even the basic drone strikes that Obama is currently using in places like Pakistan. The confederacy would lack the equipment, and the structure, and the money to fund a war of independence.

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    We have real fights in this country right now, yes we're divided but we're united on more than we are divided on. There are forces at work in this nation that seek to keep us divided, but I would hope we can all agree that there are places that could better use our focus than secession, or blue vs red, or recounting elections, or allegations of voter fraud.
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    I don't think it'd be bad if the red states all seceded and we had the Republic states of america and the Democracy States of America as 2 seperate countries

    I kind of wonder if things would actually be better had that just happened back in the civil war, cause clearly this is a nation divided........

    Then maybe re-merge into 1 country after seeing which side does better as a country, and reforming the USA as all whichever party worked out better

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    As a die hard Texan, I can tell you I sure in the hell don't want to leave the USA. Pu*sies run from hard times, this country is in massive debt and our economy is slow. Our leaders in Washington have done nothing in the past 2 years, both side are to blame. It's a disgrace to the Americans who elected them to office and we all should be madder then hell about it, instead we point fingers at each other. If all of you would spend the same amount of time that you do bitching and playing WoW on writing your congressman and really learning the issues (not what the general media says) then this country would be better off. But your more interested in snoop dog, who won dancing with the stars, video games and entertainment bullshit. So we have a generation of economically, politically and historically illiterate people.


    Nothing proves this more then the last election. By the end of his 4 year term, Obama will have added (if spending continues the same trend) 6.8 trillion to our national debt. This is his spending alone not Bush's. Bush added 4.16 trillion in 8 years (nothing to smile about either). Americans voted for more of the same, and if things continue as they are then you can expect another 6.8 trillion by the end of his 2nd term. We would be at a staggering 22.8 trillion dollar debt. Note that as of 2010, there was only 44 trillion in the worlds economy. DAMN! So I hear peps say, I voted for Obama because he is for abortion, gay rights, education, he's cool, he is for the minorities...list goes on. And I say so what? Nothing has changed, what did you not have that you have now, when bush was president? What did Obama do for you? Last time I heard you can still get abortions, you can be gay all day, we spend more money on education then any other country and kids aren't any smarter, nothing has changed. Except our debt, that is it. The largest issue the country is facing at the moment is this enormous debt!!! That was the whole election, really! But you were tricked, the wool was pulled over your eye, you were distracted and your lack of knowledge is what failed you.


    Do you really believe that either party gives a rats ass about you? Well they don't. Unless you donated 100k or more you are just another mindless voter to be won over every four years so they can keep their power. They lie, make promises they know they can't keepg, they will even try to buy your vote, buy giving you handouts. So you will become dependant on them. It's like they are a bunch of damn crack pushers! You have those assholes up there, who you put your faith in and they don't do shit for you. The best part is that they have tricked the majority of you into blaming the past or blaming each other. But never blaming their record. The American people are suppose to hold the government accountable for their actions, that is why we have the right to vote. But we have been diluted, hooked on handouts or plain illiterate of the facts. It's not about republican or democrats, it's about our country and preserving it! This debt is enormous! More then any in the history of the united states! What have our leaders done to stop the debt? NOTHING!!! Yet you vote for them again? Why?


    Is the USA falling apart? USA will never fall apart. Fact is, if we contunie on this road we are currently on, we will never be as great as we once were.




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    I've been a Texan all my life. I am a conservative, not a republican. I vote for the ones that have the best chance to fix our current economy. Judging Obama and Romney on their records, Romney was the right choice for fixing that problem. Obama was elected as our president and I respect him for that and I will follow him as my President. I am proud to be an American and a Texan. I really don't understand why other states hate us so much. We love our state and because where we came from, our history. Hispanic and white stood side by side and fought to the death for our state. Remember the Alamo was our war cry. When my brothers from Texas and I went to war in Afghan, again we stood and fought, all colors as one. As Americans and as Texans. Our actions honor the ones before us. I saw those buildings fall, I imagined if it were my wife or child lost. I mourned those Americans that died. Then I went and did something about it. "Remember 9/11" is our war cry. That is what being a Texan is.

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    United States of America: Falling apart for more than 230 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Actually, the majority of the leftist reaction in this thread has been "Cool, let 'em go. In fact, let's boot them out!" Which is unfortunate for me, being a left leaning person living in Texas, like many other left leaning people.
    dont take it so hard. we all know it wont happen, and are just being silly. and im sure more than a few are frustrated with your more asinine and vocal statesmen, and voice it as "fuck'em, good riddance". we dont really mean it (at least i doubt that most do)

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    I am sure Texans can attest to this.
    The whole, "leave the country" thing is not new and is constant.
    Just news now to make people into fools and to stir up drama.
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    Um, Texas threatens to secede every few months. Texans do it more regularly than that (is/was a Texan). This ain't no thing.

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