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    That first clip, that's just pure terror. That's a kind of terror most people will never know. I feel for that man and I hope he survived, I know nothing more about it.

    Back when I was doing a lot of things I wasn't supposed to, I jumped at the chance to vilify police officers, like that video of the girl getting slammed for kicking off her shoes. But it's a good reminder here what these men and women do, that we should be thankful for their service.

    I would like to see the data behind the claim that the life expectancy of a police officer is 55 years old. That seems fallacious just on the surface, and likely would be used as leverage. What's fair is fair here, let's all be above-board. The statistics I've heard are that most officers will never draw a gun in the field, much less fire one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Because it is not the standard. Sure, some retarded cops would do that, but that is maybe a 0,01% of the entire US police force.
    The number of times cops pull a weapon without needing to isn't a hundredth of a percent...

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-23 at 08:03 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    It's funny how these idiots hate cops. Yeah, they hate them until they need them. "Oh man I hate cops but that guy killed my wife please sir go catch the murderer!" Fucking retards.
    What the fuck is your problem?

    Cops are there to protect us so people need cops like that. People do not need cops who don't protect them and abuse their power. The reason people dislike cops isn't that they do bad things. It's that they are hardly ever punished for the wrong things they do because they're in blue.

    When a cop was interrogating a woman and randomly turned off the camera and turned it back on and she was in a pile of blood and beatup and need an ambulance. He said she fell off the chair. Never mind the fact he turned off the camera. In any case, he was suspended and then hired right back as a cop. It's things like that that make people dislike cops, the lack of retribution for the wrong things they do. When a cop barges into a wrong house and kills an innocent person what happens? They're rarely fired.

    I am not fond of cops in certain areas. I remember once I was walking in Scarsdale and was stopped and asked why I was there, what am I doing, where am I going. A mostly white upper class neighborhood, so they just felt, mmm that guy looks a little dark (i'm half black).

    Same thing happened in Englewood Cliffs, another upper class, white/asian neighborhood. I was visiting my grandmother and questioned. I have family that lives around there and they say "the cops here are a little racist so just try to avoid them"

    Oh and before anyone says perhaps I looked supicious based on style. I was wearing a neat dress shirt with jeans, dressy sneakers, and a pea coat.
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    The problem with me isn't that there arn't good cops, the problem for me is that the good cops defend the bad cops untill the bitter end making them just as bad as the rest of them. As it is now a cop could shoot me in the face for no reason and he wouldn't even get a suspension for it. So they can say enough is enough all they want untill they hang out all those that abuse their power and punish them just as hard as any other criminal then I would back the police to the bitter end. As it is now they defend murderers and thugs and till they fix that I'll keep distrusting them. I still respect those that do their work correctly and wouldn't dream of doing stupid shit like throw rocks or fuck up investigations. When I grew up there were 2 cops famous for beating the shit out of teenagers for no reason, and they still work as cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keske View Post
    The problem with me isn't that there arn't good cops, the problem for me is that the good cops defend the bad cops untill the bitter end making them just as bad as the rest of them. As it is now a cop could shoot me in the face for no reason and he wouldn't even get a suspension for it. So they can say enough is enough all they want untill they hang out all those that abuse their power and punish them just as hard as any other criminal then I would back the police to the bitter end. As it is now they defend murderers and thugs and till they fix that I'll keep distrusting them. I still respect those that do their work correctly and wouldn't dream of doing stupid shit like throw rocks or fuck up investigations. When I grew up there were 2 cops famous for beating the shit out of teenagers for no reason, and they still work as cops.
    First, an officer grabbed Oscar by the neck and pushed him against the wall," the Oakland Tribune quoted her as saying. "Oscar didn't fight him, but he didn't go down either. He was like, 'What did I do?' Then another officer came up with his Taser and held it right in his face. Oscar said, 'Please don't shoot me, please don't Taser me, I have a daughter,' over and over again, real fast, and he sat down
    He was shot and killed while handcuffed face down on the ground by transit police. They were actually charged, which isn't something you hear much of in cases that involve cop shootings.

    ^

    That is why people hate cops. Because they are there to protect us, but no one can protect you from a bad cop.

    By the way that cop got a little under 7 months in jail.

    A little under 7 months in jail for shooting an unarmed, handcuffed, person, in the back, while they were on the ground. There are quite a few videos, it's easy to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    The number of times cops pull a weapon without needing to isn't a hundredth of a percent...
    No? You must be right. I am sure every cop pulls his gun when sending off skaters from private property.

    On a more serious note... if you can provide proof for your statement, I'd be more than happy to believe you. Until then I'd stick to my common sense and say it's 0,01%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    No? You must be right. I am sure every cop pulls his gun when sending off skaters from private property.

    On a more serious note... if you can provide proof for your statement, I'd be more than happy to believe you. Until then I'd stick to my common sense and say it's 0,01%.
    Wait you ask if I have proof of more than one hundredth of a percent but you have no problem making up your own numbers and sticking to them as fact. Oh yes that is indeed "common sense" How foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Wait you ask if I have proof of more than one hundredth of a percent but you have no problem making up your own numbers and sticking to them as fact. Oh yes that is indeed "common sense" How foolish.
    Bla bla. It's commonly known that most cops will never have to draw a gun, let alone fire one, during their entire career. So, given the fact that the police force is kinda huge and minor incidents make up almost all of their work, I think my 0,01% is the most accurate number here.

    So, instead of pointing out my flaws, how about you start working on your own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Bla bla. It's commonly known that most cops will never have to draw a gun, let alone fire one, during their entire career. So, given the fact that the police force is kinda huge and minor incidents make up almost all of their work, I think my 0,01% is the most accurate number here.

    So, instead of pointing out my flaws, how about you start working on your own?
    And are you speaking for America or "Germany,Croatia, and the Netherlands?" I mean looking at Europe there are less cop shootings than here. 0.01% isn't the most accurate number because it's one you pulled out of thin air.

    "Hey this number sounds good, I think I'll stick to it!"

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    make them furnish their own equipment, that will cut down on alot of people that just want to be paid to be a douche behind a badge & a gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shink View Post
    make them furnish their own equipment, that will cut down on alot of people that just want to be paid to be a douche behind a badge & a gun
    That's a bad idea.
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    its prejudice pure and simple its very stupid ignorant people saying "there are cases of X therefore going to treat a large variant thing exactly like X"

    a man was mean therefore all men are mean

    a woman was greedy therefore all women are greedy

    a police officer was evil therefore all police officers are evil

    Police officers are PEOPLE they can be good or bad, they can start out good then go bad or start out bad then become good.

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    I watched the video and it's true that these guys play with death. Especially in the US since people can carry a firearm almost everywhere. My brother in law in a police officer, he's the father of my nephew. He's a good guy, you cannot believe the shit these guys come through. And it starts with road accidents. Sure, some cops are assholes, but it's just like everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    its prejudice pure and simple its very stupid ignorant people saying "there are cases of X therefore going to treat a large variant thing exactly like X"

    a man was mean therefore all men are mean

    a woman was greedy therefore all women are greedy

    a police officer was evil therefore all police officers are evil

    Police officers are PEOPLE they can be good or bad, they can start out good then go bad or start out bad then become good.

    Don't judge a book by it's cover even covers that you give them
    Here's the thing though... no one protects you from those bad cops. It's fine to judge cops on cover and avoid them unless you need them. I know that's what I would do in areas where I keep getting stopped because I don't look like I fit into a mostly white town.

    There are MANY x cases, and many cops from those cases go unpunished. It feels as though the cops can do whatever they want and never get punished for it. It is like we have these people that are there to protect us but if they stop protecting us we have no one else to go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    And are you speaking for America or "Germany,Croatia, and the Netherlands?" I mean looking at Europe there are less cop shootings than here. 0.01% isn't the most accurate number because it's one you pulled out of thin air.

    "Hey this number sounds good, I think I'll stick to it!"
    I think the police here fires their guns a couple(like 2) of times per year, it's always newsworthy lol
    Can't remember when they shot someone dead the last time, they shot a dude in the leg a while back, he was known before(organized crime). Seen them beat people with batons for no reason whatsoever several times though

    Seen the police draw their guns twice in my life entire life, once when they had a housecall, once when I walked passed a bank that was being robbed.

    Bank robbery gone wrong! They didn't need to fire any shots though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymitylol View Post
    To show idiotic mob mentality, people see something being shown over and over while it's 1 sided and think that's the cold hard truth and only way things happen. Those people are too ignorant to find out the other sides mentality before forming their one sided biased opinion.
    Quite often it's not about mob mentality at all, in fact the large majority of police hate threads all stem from the same place; poor judgement in a high pressure situation by an officer.

    I do not for one second dispute that policing is a difficult or dangerous job, however, police in the US give the rest of the world the impression that lethal force is the go to option every time. Through a combination of poor training, decision making under pressure and deadly force being the first choice for an officer in the US they have gained a very negative view in other countries in particular.

    My view is simple, police need proper training, they need to be able to demonstrate good judgement under pressure. The stories which come out in the media (Of which are the minority I am sure) tend to demonstrate neither of the issues and is the primary cause for such negative light being cast on officers.

    TLDR: Don't give idiots guns and tell them to enforce the law.

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    f*** the police.

    When not long after passing my driving test i would get stopped, cuffed and drugs searched at least once a week just because i had an older car. No previous offenses or wild driving yet chained up and harassed for almost 2 years until i got one of the cops fired for harassment.

    Then they attempted to charge me with possession of a knife in my car and had to goto court 4x arsing about until it got thrown out of court. It was a Stanley knife in my toolbox in the boot of the car besides a hammer and saw and other dangerous things that they didnt care about, the toolbox had been in the car every other stop too and nobody cared about the knife.. Was only when i explained i was an electrician and cant do my work without a knife that i got let off. Even 2x officers at the time was on my side but one asshat officer forced the matter into the courts, probably because he had nothing else on me after another pile or harassment stops...

    They almost all dirty bastards and have no spine, not being willing to speak over the blue wall of silence. They witness bad officers doing their thing all the time but are scared to speak up about what they see as they could get shunned, they rather just cruise with the bad cops and live the dream rather than stand up for what they are supposed to believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    And are you speaking for America or "Germany,Croatia, and the Netherlands?" I mean looking at Europe there are less cop shootings than here. 0.01% isn't the most accurate number because it's one you pulled out of thin air.

    "Hey this number sounds good, I think I'll stick to it!"
    That might be true. I could be kinda biased because I am from Europe, but even we have some fucked up special cops here who will gladly beat the shit out of you and you can't do shit about it. Granted they are often not mere traffic cops.

    Also, leave Croatia out of this, the police force is a joke over there. Not even worth mentioning it.



    But let me do some quick search. Please correct me if I am wrong... I am just smashing around some numbers from the internet.


    In 2012, 498 people were killed by the police in shootouts. (Wikipedia, bear with me)

    Let's jump back to 2006, I've got no data for 2012.

    1.4 million violent crime victimizations (2006, Bureau of Justice Statistics-BJS).

    Offenders use a weapon in 8.9% of violent incidents = 124.600 times was a weapon used against police officers. I hope I got this one right.

    Out of these 124.600 only ~500 were killed if we assume that the yearly death by cop rate is somewhat stable. That's 5% of "justified" weapon usage with fatal outcome.

    So you could be right that the real number on how often cops pull out their gun without reason is higher than 0,01%. But it is still lower than what some people here want it to look like.
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    The general hate of police force members is pretty bad, there are plenty of officers out there that actually went for the job because of what they believe in. Try to imagine putting up with verbal abuse, physical assault, weapons, people with serious mental conditions, hours of paperwork and talking to victims of horrific crimes (rape victims, families of murder victims) on a daily basis. With all that, I'm not surprised many officers seem easily aggrivated while on duty.

    The whole "FT POLIS" mentality just makes people seem like dimwitted reprobates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foil View Post
    f*** the police.

    When not long after passing my driving test i would get stopped, cuffed and drugs searched at least once a week just because i had an older car. No previous offenses or wild driving yet chained up and harassed for almost 2 years until i got one of the cops fired for harassment.

    Then they attempted to charge me with possession of a knife in my car and had to goto court 4x arsing about until it got thrown out of court. It was a Stanley knife in my toolbox in the boot of the car besides a hammer and saw and other dangerous things that they didnt care about, the toolbox had been in the car every other stop too and nobody cared about the knife.. Was only when i explained i was an electrician and cant do my work without a knife that i got let off. Even 2x officers at the time was on my side but one asshat officer forced the matter into the courts, probably because he had nothing else on me after another pile or harassment stops...

    They almost all dirty bastards and have no spine, not being willing to speak over the blue wall of silence. They witness bad officers doing their thing all the time but are scared to speak up about what they see as they could get shunned, they rather just cruise with the bad cops and live the dream rather than stand up for what they are supposed to believe in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
    It's becoming clear to me from this thread that us British folk seem to have it worse with regards to stupid, petty, lying police bullying ordinary folk over nonsense and non-issues than our US cousins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxxy View Post
    The general hate of police force members is pretty bad, there are plenty of officers out there that actually went for the job because of what they believe in. Try to imagine putting up with verbal abuse, physical assault, weapons, people with serious mental conditions, hours of paperwork and talking to victims of horrific crimes (rape victims, families of murder victims) on a daily basis. With all that, I'm not surprised many officers seem easily aggrivated while on duty.
    I don't think the Police that put up with most of the above would even have to put up with it if they applied reason, decency and common-sense in their approach to upholding the law. Cops commonly speak to people like utter shit throwing their weight around and expect everyone to be civil to them in return. Also, physical assault, weapons, people with mental conditions, hours of paperwork and dealing with horrific crimes are part of the job spec. If that causes you to forget reason, decency and respect for your fellow man then you're in the wrong job.

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