[Shadow] Best in Slot List - 5.1 / T14

[Keosen]

Since you're discussing such small upgrades, don't forget that with MH your Fiend/Bender will be off the GCD. This will increase the value of the mace, and might put it ahead again (unless you already factored that in).

Can you clarify this?

[Zarqa]

I Was replying to Hesp's list and the discussion about weapons. Hesp posted:

Subtracting this value from the pp values listed in my previous post gives us the true pp amounts for each combination until upgrades are complete:

Jin'ya - 9735.2 pp
Kri'tak - 9749.28
Regail - 9761.63

I wanted to point out that while Kri'tak is equipped, your shadowfiend and mindbender no longer trigger the GCD. This adds extra dps that the other weapons don't have because you can cast the next spell faster. This is a minor dps change, but since we're talking about 12.35 PP it will probably make Kri'tak the better choice for high-end players.

[Keosen]

Ah nevermind i was missing the part where the mace was removing MB from GCD i though it was only the skin change.

[Drye]

Another bonus of the staff is that it has no hit on it. I haven't done the math with a full bis yet but the possibility of having a surplus of hit on our gear once everything is upgraded is a very high. That meaning with a fully upgraded bis we will not be able to reforge enough hit off of our gear since about only 4 pieces don't have hit on them. Thus making the staff higher priority in a bis.

[Twintop]

Updated to include Valor/Conquest/Honor/Justice Point upgrades (and a few other corrections).

[Nestar]

Ah nevermind i was missing the part where the mace was removing MB from GCD i though it was only the skin change.

So with the recent staff adjustments to add the movement bonus and sha-fiend ability, Was that added to the staff as well?

---------- Post added 2012-12-10 at 05:29 PM ----------

So, was curious about it, not sure if SimC properly handles the gcd removal of MB, But this is what I got with the various options.

Staff

main_hand=jinya_orb_of_the_waterspeaker,id=87170,stats=1488int_2232sta_1036haste_918crit_8521sp,gems=550int,enchant=jade_spirit,weapon=staff_3.3speed_7172min_10759max
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=spi_crit
hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=spi_crit
wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=mastery_hit
feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160crit_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160crit_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160crit_80int_160crit_180haste,enchant=80all
shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160crit_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=haste_hit
neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste

114030 dps

Mace

off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
main_hand=kritak_imperial_scepter_of_the_swarm,id=86990,stats=956sta_638int_438spi_404crit_8521sp,gems=550int,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=spi_haste,weapon=mace_2.4speed_3385min_6287max
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=spi_crit
hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=spi_crit
wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_crit
feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160crit_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_80int_160haste_120haste,reforge=haste_crit
chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=haste_crit
neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste

114498 dps

Dagger (H-Elite)

off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=90513,stats=1021sta_592int_443mastery_354crit_9093sp,gems=80int_160spi_60crit,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=crit_spi,weapon=dagger_1.8speed_2710min_5033max
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=haste_crit
hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=haste_crit
wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_haste
feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_crit
legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit
neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste

114584

Dagger Non-Elite Heroic

off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=87152,stats=956sta_550int_412mastery_329crit_8521sp,gems=80int_160spi_60crit,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=mastery_spi,weapon=dagger_1.8speed_2538min_4716max
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=haste_crit
hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=haste_crit
wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_haste
feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=spi_crit
neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste

112476

[Twintop]

So with the recent staff adjustments to add the movement bonus and sha-fiend ability, Was that added to the staff as well?

---------- Post added 2012-12-10 at 05:29 PM ----------

So, was curious about it, not sure if SimC properly handles the gcd removal of MB, But this is what I got with the various options.

I'm not sure if SimC does or not either, but the PP value of the MH/Staff would only go up by ~17PP with Shadowfiend and maybe ~50PP with Mindbender.