Should circumcision be the person's OWN choice?

[Deleted]

It is just as unpleasant experience when you are an infant or adult. The only difference is that you forget it soon. After seeing an infant fall into coma (not fall asleep) from the circumcision, I kinda started to hate the practice.

wait what? falling into a coma from it?

[zorkuus]

Yes, the medically relevent ones, kids born in third world countries obviously dont have this done.

You can't be serious. Are you seriously trying to argue that every country outside of the very few select western countries is a third world country?

[Deleted]

Lol, forgot to type the "18" part.

"when he turns 18". ;P

All I'm reading now is "Quick! Cover it up! HE KNOWS TOO MUCH!" :P

[Herecius]

It is just as unpleasant experience when you are an infant or adult. The only difference is that you forget it soon. After seeing an infant fall into coma (not fall asleep) from the circumcision, I kinda started to hate the practice.

The religious practice involves using no anesthetic and that's a different debate entirely. Since the person you're quoting had two non-religious medical-smart parents who approved it, chances are a local was used and there was no pain.

Circumcision in a developed adult is actually quite a different 'experience' than if it is done at an extremely young age. The discomfort and general pain lasts for a considerably longer period of time, and the risks of complications are CONSIDERABLY higher. It's to a degree that it's generally not practiced or encouraged even if somebody converts at a late age to Judaism.

[Underverse]

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Well idk what he/you are talking about but the appendix is useful, and so are the tonsils. And so is the foreskin. Just because their uses aren't blatantly obvious doesn't mean they don't exist. Tonsils - gatekeepers that prime the body to fight bacteria passing over them on their way to the stomach or lungs. Appendix - bacterial reservoir for recovery of gut microbiome after infection or antibiotics. Foreskin - increased female pleasure, increased male sensitivity when it matters and decreased when it doesn't, bacterial reservoir (to a lesser extent), and obviously, protection

[Urti]

I think if the parents of a boy want to have him circumcised then they should be allowed to have it done.

I don't see how it's mutilation to be honest. Sure it fits the textbook definition of it, but it's just some skin on your penis.

What if it was your eyelids, its just a little bit of skin after all...

[A Day to Remember]

Drop the smugness, it's only common in the US due to it's puritan roots. Almost every other Western nation considers it an oddity rather than something commonly done.

Foreign girls love American guys, id put money on the fact that their dicks dont wear turtle necks being one of the reasons for that. Like i said its impossible for me to see why someone would want it, but legally speaking until you can make decisions for yourself your parents have the right to make executive decisions for you.

[Fahrenheit]

A personal anecdote. My wife had never seen an un-cut cock up until a couple of months ago when we were watching the news and there was a story about it gaining popularity. So I went onto the internet and found a picture of one. She was disgusted at the sight of it flaccid, less so when erect because the foreskin pulls back a bit, but the flaccid one she was like "Thank god!, that looks just awful to have with deal with dring oral sex, ugh!"

I'd be remiss in not saying my wife is a fucking pro when it comes to oral, so I've no doubt she could indeed handle it.

[Daedius]

Which is? 10 chars

Sensitivity for one... I can't imagine nor would I ever want to have a rough dry penis head that makes it less pleasuable while having sex, for example.

[Dundebuns]

What about for medical reasons?

Well idk what he/you are talking about but the appendix is useful

The appendix has no function in our bodies any more. We used it to help digest raw meant, but since we don't eat amounts our normal digestive processes can't handle, it is now defunct.

Also, having a foreskin is no more or less hygienic than not having one. A cut penis being more hygienic is a myth. The foreskin is self regulating, and as long as you clean it like you would the rest of your body it is fine. A non washed circumscribed penis would be just as gipping as an uncircumcised one

[Santti]

wait what? falling into a coma from it?

http://www.nocirc.org/publish/pamphlet3.html

Google "Circumcision coma" and you get quite a few of these.

"Yes. Circumcision is extremely painful - and traumatic - for a baby. Just being strapped down is frightening for a baby. The often repeated statement that babies can't feel pain is not true. Babies are as sensitive to pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their foreskin is cut off. Some defecate. Some lapse into a coma. The reason some babies don't cry when they are circumcised, is that they can't cry because they are in a state of shock. Most babies are circumcised without anesthesia. Anesthetics injected into the penis don't always work. Being stuck with a needle in the penis is itself painful for a baby, just as if would be for anyone else. Babies are rarely given pain medicatiion right after they are circumcised or during the week to ten days it takes for the wound to heal. Pain medication is not always effective and is never 100% effective."

And then people wonder why some people are against this shit?

[noralya]

I was not circumcision, and thank god for that. The mere thought makes my crotch hurt. I personally see it is child abuse to have them circumcision. We are born with a foreskin for a reason. And they talk about it to prevent masturbation... what the hell is wrong with masturbation in the first place?

I think that parents that have their child circumcision should be charged with child abuse, and have their baby removed. Religion is no reason to commit child abuse.

Same, the mere thought of circumcision makes my testes take refuge behind my lungs and my legs cross in ways I'd never thought possible before. While I don't really know if there is a 'reason' for a foreskin, cutting it off does amount to child molestation in my book.

Now I'm gonna watch porn to try and comfort my scared turtle, poor thing needs soothing.

[Underverse]

Foreign girls love American guys, id put money on the fact that their dicks dont wear turtle necks being one of the reasons for that. Like i said its impossible for me to see why someone would want it, but legally speaking until you can make decisions for yourself your parents have the right to make executive decisions for you.

wow that's a lot of assumptions

[Deleted]

Foreign girls love American guys, id put money on the fact that their dicks dont wear turtle necks being one of the reasons for that. Like i said its impossible for me to see why someone would want it, but legally speaking until you can make decisions for yourself your parents have the right to make executive decisions for you.

I think your ego is trying to escape. I can point out that American Girls love Scottish Men, circumcision isn't popular here. Fuck me, that's both our anecdotes countering out each other. Is it mayhaps because they're both anecdotes and lack any sort of empirical evidence behind them whatsoever, hence making them bullshit arguments?

[Urti]

What about for medical reasons?

Barring a few rare conditions, there aren't any valid medical reasons to circumcise a child that haven't been proven wrong.

[Symphonic]

Barring a few rare conditions, there aren't any valid medical reasons to circumcise a child that haven't been proven wrong.

I think 1% chance of a UTI vs a .1% chance is a big difference. Ten times more likely to get a UTI as a baby under the age of 1...

cutting it off does amount to child molestation in my book.

Apparently cutting foreskin now puts you on the sex offender list for molesting your child.

[Prifter]

Circumcision isn't stupid. Circumcising someone without their opinion is. I am getting circumcised soon for medical reasons so I see it as something good, but only when it is NECESSARY like in my case.

[Deleted]

Apparently cutting foreskin now puts you on the sex offender list for molesting your child.

People have been put on it for far less if I'm to be perfectly honest. The courts' rabid blathering when it comes to the sex offenders list goes off the charts.

[Urti]

Apparently cutting foreskin now puts you on the sex offender list for molesting your child.

Always has if your child was a female, see all the furor around the world a while back over african genital mutilations. Why the double standard?

[noralya]

Apparently cutting foreskin now puts you on the sex offender list for molesting your child.

Hmm, didn't mean anything about sex offense or anything, English not being my first language I probably worded it in the wrong way. Child mutilation perhaps'd be more appropriate?