US Supreme Court to Hear Case on Same-Sex Marriage

[Chrysia]

No one is doubting the historical accuracy of the bible when it comes to the history of the Jewish people, in fact it is because the Hebrews had the highest literacy rate in the ancient world that their history is so accurate. But at the same time they where an agricultural society and had laws and rules based on this premise as opposed to other nations which had very different economic and literacy rates. Also the idea the world is round can be dated before the passages you point out were written. In fact most ancient society knew the earth was a sphere and the first person to prove it was an ancient Greek. His math was slightly off because he assumed he was at the equator, but he had a fairly good idea the earth was a big ball. It was his work that convinced Columbus to sail to India by heading west in the Atlantic, if he had accurate numbers he may not have made the attempt.

Of note on the Columbus thing: nobody opposed Columbus' trip on the basis that they thought the Earth was flat. They opposed it based on the fact that he was using Eratosthene's calculations for the size of the Earth, and pretty much everyone assumed those numbers were too small by that point. As it was, Columbus would have run out of food months before reaching India had he not landed in the Carribean islands.

[Infjustice]

their history is so accurate.

Not entirely true. Their history of Egypt is pretty far off.
God-centered history is not the best methodology for history writing.

[Penguintamer]

Once again, you cant make the comparison to racial discrimination. The race you are born which you cannot choose does not equal the sexual lifestyle you choose to engage in which you can decide. You want the same rights? then youre free to have them. Just choose someone of the opposite sex to marry.

When was it made a fact that their lifestyle was a free choice? I mean, although there's been no 100% evidence that it ISN'T a choice, that doesn't mean that there's 100% evidence that it is a choice. Those saying homosexuality is a choice are those that dislike homosexuals. And that just doesn't make sense. How would they know if it is a choice or not? I'd trust the ones that actually experience it to know if it is a choice or not.

[chadwix]

Sexual orientation is just as genetic as race.

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

[Matchu]

The Bible said it was the source of life hundreds and hundreds of years before it was proven to be true.

Yeah. Before the Bible people were often confused why, when people bled everywhere, they died. I mean, it was just baffling. Sarcasm aside, bloodletting is dumb. But the people who proposed it knew that blood was important, vital to life. They just had screwy ideas over what to do with it.

Again, the earth was proven to be round hundreds of years after this was written.

People have known the world was round for thousands of years. You can try and claim the Bible is some sort of scientifically accurate thesis, but Genesis completely negates everything.

There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

There's no proof it isn't either. And, considering the empirical studies on nurture, where homosexuals come from such widely disparate backgrounds, it's almost certain to be something biological rather than psychological as a cause.

[Spectral]

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

There's massive evidence for a genetic component to sexuality. Here's one of many examples: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...01051107001433

[rawdude]

I said Jesus doesn't talk about homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah happened in the Old Testament.

Or does the atheist know your bible better than you do?

The fact is - no matter how much you try to twist it - you do things every day that are considered an abomination just like homosexuality is. Why are the things you do any better or different? Because you do them? You're a hypocrite, a bigot and not worth the time.

Oh, the insults.. The Bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. So many people discredit Jesus as being a fanatic and extremist and that He was not the Son of God. That goes against what the Bible says. It is not a concept we can really wrap our heads around, but that is because we are human, and our understanding of many things is limited.

Jesus is God.
God is Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God."
The word inspiration in this verse is translated from a compound Greek word which means "God-breathed." Thus, this verse says that "all Scripture is God-breathed."
God breathed into forty chosen writers of the books of the Bible the exact words that He wanted preserved for all mankind.

This shows that God 'inspired' the forty writers of the Bible what to write, and Jesus and God are one (according to the Bible).

Here is a quote from C.H. Spurgeon:
"This [Bible] is the writing of the living God: each letter was penned with an Almighty finger; each word in it dropped from the everlasting lips; each sentence was dictated by the Holy Spirit."

And if you believe what the Bible says, and that Jesus is the Son of God and in the Trinity (God, Holy Spirit, Jesus), then in that sense, you will believe that Jesus did say something about homosexuality.

[Infjustice]

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

Just saying the "Gay Gene" was just another reason to prove gays as "inferior." Same mumbo jumbo science the world has always used to "prove" inferiority.

[Immitis]

Oh, the insults.. The Bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. So many people discredit Jesus as being a fanatic and extremist and that He was not the Son of God. That goes against what the Bible says. It is not a concept we can really wrap our heads around, but that is because we are human, and our understanding of many things is limited.

Jesus is God.
God is Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God."
The word inspiration in this verse is translated from a compound Greek word which means "God-breathed." Thus, this verse says that "all Scripture is God-breathed."
God breathed into forty chosen writers of the books of the Bible the exact words that He wanted preserved for all mankind.

This shows that God 'inspired' the forty writers of the Bible what to write, and Jesus and God are one (according to the Bible).

Here is a quote from C.H. Spurgeon:
"This [Bible] is the writing of the living God: each letter was penned with an Almighty finger; each word in it dropped from the everlasting lips; each sentence was dictated by the Holy Spirit."

And if you believe what the Bible says, and that Jesus is the Son of God and in the Trinity (God, Holy Spirit, Jesus), then in that sense, you will believe that Jesus did say something about homosexuality.

im pretty sure jesus never said he was god

[s_bushido]

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

Too bad. Maybe if they'd found a straight gene, they might have been able to design a retrovirus to fix all those degenerates you people are so terrified of.

[Thage]

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

This study begs to differ.

[Gothicshark]

Wait... Is that why I think sexual lifestyle is a choice?

If inside your heart you find both genders attractive and want to do them, than yah you're Bi-Sexual. In that sort of situation you can in fact make the choice. Although being Bi-Sexual means you will often be temped by the thing you are not doing.

So often when I hear Anti-Homosexual propaganda I can't help but laugh because they are only hurting themselves.

[Chrysia]

Oh, the insults.. The Bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. So many people discredit Jesus as being a fanatic and extremist and that He was not the Son of God. That goes against what the Bible says. It is not a concept we can really wrap our heads around, but that is because we are human, and our understanding of many things is limited.

Jesus is God.
God is Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God."
The word inspiration in this verse is translated from a compound Greek word which means "God-breathed." Thus, this verse says that "all Scripture is God-breathed."
God breathed into forty chosen writers of the books of the Bible the exact words that He wanted preserved for all mankind.

This shows that God 'inspired' the forty writers of the Bible what to write, and Jesus and God are one (according to the Bible).

Here is a quote from C.H. Spurgeon:
"This [Bible] is the writing of the living God: each letter was penned with an Almighty finger; each word in it dropped from the everlasting lips; each sentence was dictated by the Holy Spirit."

And if you believe what the Bible says, and that Jesus is the Son of God and in the Trinity (God, Holy Spirit, Jesus), then in that sense, you will believe that Jesus did say something about homosexuality.

Ok, do you wear clothing made of more than one fabric, then?

Do you eat shellfish?

Seems to me a lot of what "Jesus said" is conveniently ignored then.

[Remilia]

Oh, the insults.. The Bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. So many people discredit Jesus as being a fanatic and extremist and that He was not the Son of God. That goes against what the Bible says. It is not a concept we can really wrap our heads around, but that is because we are human, and our understanding of many things is limited.

Jesus is God.
God is Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God."
The word inspiration in this verse is translated from a compound Greek word which means "God-breathed." Thus, this verse says that "all Scripture is God-breathed."
God breathed into forty chosen writers of the books of the Bible the exact words that He wanted preserved for all mankind.

This shows that God 'inspired' the forty writers of the Bible what to write, and Jesus and God are one (according to the Bible).

Here is a quote from C.H. Spurgeon:
"This [Bible] is the writing of the living God: each letter was penned with an Almighty finger; each word in it dropped from the everlasting lips; each sentence was dictated by the Holy Spirit."

And if you believe what the Bible says, and that Jesus is the Son of God and in the Trinity (God, Holy Spirit, Jesus), then in that sense, you will believe that Jesus did say something about homosexuality.

You don't use the bible to prove the bible.

[Matchu]

God breathed into forty chosen writers of the books of the Bible the exact words that He wanted preserved for all mankind.

You'd think he wouldn't give them such conflicting testimonies then.

you will believe that Jesus did say something about homosexuality.

Shame he didn't though. I mean, Son of God, possibly God himself, down here giving mankind instructions on how not to burn for all eternity and not a word? Not even a "errr, probably shouldn't do that"? He left it up to some old Testament fogey? Pretty odd for the Almighty.

[Endus]

Well, not quite. One point of contention here would be the use of "genetic" rather than "innate". There's ample evidence that developmental factors including the hormonal concentrations during fetal development contribute to sexual orientation. Also, there's a legitimate argument to be had about whether there's cultural factors that sway people's orientation. One brief discussion can be found here.

More to the point, I think is that it doesn't matter if it's genetic, innate, developed via culture, or an outright choice. That argument's interesting, but it's nothing but a distraction when it comes to legal rights. Even if every single gay person actively chose to be gay (this is obviously not the case), there would still be no valid legal basis for denying them equal protection of the law.

They "gay gene" was never proven, it was an idea back in like 1999. There is no proof sexual orientation is genetic, sorry

Fair enough, I shouldn't have said "genetic", I should have said "biological", which is proven.

There's certainly also cultural factors, but there's a definite biological component. You cannot simply "choose" to be gay. Any more than gay people can "choose" to be straight; they will always find same-sex individuals attractive. Most of the 'treatments' involve things like aversion therapy, and that's a really unnatural kind of brainwashing and has nothing to do with sexuality itself; you can do the same kind of "treatment" to quit smoking or stop eating chocolate. It doesn't remove the urge, it tries to replace it with a greater aversion based on pain or some other kind of unpleasant experience. Things like coating all your cigarettes in tabasco to make them taste terrible and burn your lips or the like.

For something harmful like overeating or smoking, you can make an argument that the aversion therapy is better than letting the behaviour go unchecked, but "being gay" isn't harmful in any way. Not unless you count in bigots being abusive to you over your sexual orientation. And if we have to pick someone in that for aversion therapy, why don't we treat the asshats who think getting punchy is okay?

[Gothicshark]

In Germany, same-sex marriage is actually called "Lebens-Partnerschaft", which translates word for word as "partnership for life". "Partnerschaft" just means "being a couple" in "everyday-speech" without strong "marriage connotations" and sounds a bit "technical" to Germans.

Gays can get "married", call themselves a "married couple" and do get the exact same legal treatment as any other married couple in terms of taxes, heritage and divorce rules, but the legal term is not "marriage" (as it is with a man-woman combination) but "Lebens-Partnerschaft" and has a small legal code defining it and basically saying "it's the same as marriage in every way".

And Germany is usually seen as pretty progressive socially, still the different terms exist and no one seems to make a big fuzz over it.

Make of that what you will.

The Germans saw the issue and solved it the way an engineer would solve any problem, they figured out the rules and implemented them. I love the overly technical way the Germans call gay marriage.

[Infjustice]

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Jesus is God.
God is Jesus.

So they're the same person. Along with the Holy Spirit.
In which case, how does one exist and then become born later? How does one create a child that is oneself? How can someone exist before actually existing.
The bible states God always existed, but it states Jesus was actually born.
If that's not a contradiction, not sure what is. In addition, let me link you to my previous argument as well.

Hey, you know that part where it says the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt? Not true at all, in fact Egyptian history was very well kept. They were surprisingly truthful, and they hired Egyptians to build the pyramids. No slaves there.
Do go on though, this is GOLD.

[nnelson54]

The religious fanatics in this thread should take a page out of Cardinal Pell's book. I still know he's wrong, but he manages to argue for the existence of God without sounding completely backwards.



Worth a watch if you've got an hour to spare.

[chadwix]

This study begs to differ.

Mice?

"Just saying the "Gay Gene" was just another reason to prove gays as "inferior."

They have been studying this for over 20 years now with no proof. If there is a gene in homosexual people that differs from straight then that would be proof that being gay is genetic and not a choice. Thats where the term "gay gene" came from, i didnt make it up.