Frost DW: Frequent rune blackout and RP starved

[SSHA778]

Umm bro converting unholy runes for more howling blasts>converting depleted frost or death runes for more howling blasts. Letting the unholy runes return as unholy is a dps loss via plague strike or obliterate (which hurt your dps as you are losing out on potentional howling blasts). Unholy runes for a dw frost dk are like the pesky blood runes before 4.2. You want to get rid of them and convert them as quickly as possible so you can maximize damage output.

This is not true. The fact that BT restores a fully depleted rune and restores it as a death rune makes the type that is utilized irrelevant.

Let's say you have 2 unholy runes cooling down with a rune regeneration rate of 10.00s. Thus, after 20.00s, you will have 2 unholy runes. If you use BT and use that death rune before the first unholy rune is up, in 20s you will generate 2 unholy runes still. This result will be the same regardless of which rune is picked by BT. BT is just an injection of a death rune in your rotation.

[Samsarathedk]

This is not true. The fact that BT restores a fully depleted rune and restores it as a death rune makes the type that is utilized irrelevant.

Let's say you have 2 unholy runes cooling down with a rune regeneration rate of 10.00s. Thus, after 20.00s, you will have 2 unholy runes. If you use BT and use that death rune before the first unholy rune is up, in 20s you will generate 2 unholy runes still. This result will be the same regardless of which rune is picked by BT. BT is just an injection of a death rune in your rotation.

Your math is correct but you are wrong in thinking that converting as many unholy runes into death runes is not important. The sheer fact that active unholy runes are the only runes which cannot be used on howling blasts proves that you should prioritize converting them into death runes whenever possible. I'm not saying you should only blood tap IF they are on cd but that you should try to whenever possible (just as a 2 hand frost dk would try to prioritize km obliterate over km frost strike whenever possible).

[Shiira]

The rune type that you convert to death is irrelevant.

An empty frost rune isn't any more useful for casting howling blasts than an empty unholy rune.

[Deleted]

Macroing BT to your main RP dump(FS) is not as big dps loss as people think(some claim about 1-3% compared to a properly used BT), the main thing is that you can control your rune regen better and pool the charges during RP high points(AMS soak for example) for later use. On the question of BT vs RE, the biggest advantage of BT is that it allows you to burn your unholy runes more effectively to gain a dps and a RP boost, hence the fact that they can be returned as death runes. But regardless of that, pooling your Frost & Death runes so that your BT always returns an unholy rune as a death rune is more vulnerable to RNG than macroing BT = more skill required. If you aren't comfortable with the mechanics of a manually used BT you should macro the BT to your FS and practice on using the BT manually, but switching over to RE because you don't know how to properly utilize your BT is a solid dps loss when compared to a FS macroed BT.

[Nillo]

Your math is correct but you are wrong in thinking that converting as many unholy runes into death runes is not important. The sheer fact that active unholy runes are the only runes which cannot be used on howling blasts proves that you should prioritize converting them into death runes whenever possible. I'm not saying you should only blood tap IF they are on cd but that you should try to whenever possible (just as a 2 hand frost dk would try to prioritize km obliterate over km frost strike whenever possible).

And yet everyone tells you that using bt on unholy runes only is bullshit. You might have been right with the old blood tap that changed the rune turned for 20 seconds making it important to use it on a "bad" rune with the new bt it doesn't matter because the rune goes back to what it was after one use.
The only time when turning an unholy rune is a dps gain over turning a frost rune is if you can't use the refreshed rune before the other runes comes off cd, but this would already mean you've probably used BT at an inappropriate time (=> less than a gcd before a frost rune refresh)