View Poll Results: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

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  1. #49521
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Actually they are not s problem. Kids are safer in school now more then they have ever been. School shooting are even on a decline. But listening to the media you wouldn't know thay
    But there were 8 actual school shooting this year. 20 "gun incidents"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    But there were 8 actual school shooting this year. 20 "gun incidents"
    But..but..but...I dont know the stats, however if they are in decline, then its a good thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I know it pales in comparison to other problems but is still a messed up situation. Its kids at school.
    No worse then kids who die at home in larger numbers because they decided to eat a fucking Tide pod. Or a toddler who died after drinking some cleaner stored under the sink. ITS KIDS AT HOME!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    And i think its the perfect time to compare yourself to other countries.
    Its not, because every country has a different culture and conditions that exist that makes their problems or causes unique. What would work for one country wouldnt necessarily work for another. The drinking age is Germany is 16. Should we institute that since it appears to be working in Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    Even if you dont like the idea because its "Murica" and America is the best.
    If you are just here to poke fun of a certain segment of our population than we really have nothing to discuss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    But jesus, is the perfect time to compare your culture to other cultures to make a stop to it.
    Culture can not change overnight, secondly there is nothing in the American culture that points to guns being the source of the problem. Its more a violence problem, do guns facilitate the killing caused by the violence? Sure, but the root cause is the feeling that our problems are solved using violence. That is what needs to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thwart View Post
    Here are two cases of charges of armed robbery for using a finger just this year:
    https://regina.ctvnews.ca/police-say...ries-1.3811617

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...07228b4b1.html

    In Missouri First Degree Robbery is Armed Robbery https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/...i_laws_570-023

    And here's a case of a conviction and failed appeal even:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/30...onviction.html
    Looks like I'm wrong.

    Apparently pretending to have a gun in a way credible enough for the intended victim to honestly believe you is enough.

    So I guess pretending to have a gun can qualify as an example of "defensive use of firearms" in the broadest possible definition.

    What a world we live in.
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    LOL never change guys. I guess you won't because conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    I know it pales in comparison to other problems but is still a messed up situation. Its kids at school.
    And i think its the perfect time to compare yourself to other countries.
    Even if you dont like the idea because its "Murica" and America is the best.
    But jesus, is the perfect time to compare your culture to other cultures to make a stop to it.
    Not at all. While we should certainly continue to help reduce gun violence here in all shapes and forms, some freedoms do come with some costs.
    " If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
    The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    And if that cost was the life of your child or grandchild in a school shooting, do you think you would continue to believe it’s a cost worth paying?
    Yes I would. And I would be advocating for stronger security at the school, with some there armed well enough to help prevent another such tragedy and reduce the lost of lives.
    " If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
    The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    And if that cost was the life of your child or grandchild in a school shooting, do you think you would continue to believe it’s a cost worth paying?
    Why not? We all make that cost benefit analysis everyday with thousands of items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    TBH, I find that very scary. You generally come across as a reasonable person, but your reply leans toward a religious fanaticism for an object designed to kill.
    Why is it scary? , when one of my children could die in a car crash also. Would depend on why they did. I would not instantly go into melt down and demand no cars or if it was alcohol related, do away with beer, whiskey or wine. I would weep, be very sadden. But also realistic. I consider a firearm as a tool. Not something which kills on it's own.

    I can tell you this, if my daughter was to be raped and killed and she had no firearm to help prevent such, I would be very upset the scum was not shot and killed before he could. Which by the way, she does carry a firearm ready for such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    It’s scary to think that you, a reasonable guy, see the schooling shootings as part of the cost of having the freedom to own firearms, even if those dead children were your own. Maybe it’s cultural difference, but I really struggle to understand you view.
    Do you support Prohibition?

    I ask because I'm trying to get you to see that all the dead people from drunk driving accidents, you see them as part of the cost of having the freedom to consume alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    It’s scary to think that you, a reasonable guy, see the schooling shootings as part of the cost of having the freedom to own firearms, even if those dead children were your own. Maybe it’s cultural difference, but I really struggle to understand you view.
    You do understand that down thru more than 200 years, blood as had to be shed in order for us to maintain the freedoms we have here? There is a cost for freedoms. There is a cost of lives to keep having the privileged to use private transportation. Think of it in that state of mind.
    " If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
    The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams

  10. #49530
    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    And if that cost was the life of your child or grandchild in a school shooting, do you think you would continue to believe it’s a cost worth paying?
    Most people understand that nothing that has been proposed will stop these actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    TBH, I find that very scary. You generally come across as a reasonable person, but your reply leans toward a religious fanaticism for an object designed to kill.
    My child is more likely to die from a distracted driver than getting shot, the odds aren't even close. So lets ban cell phones, more lives will be saved, and not just school children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    My child is more likely to die from a distracted driver than getting shot, the odds aren't even close. So lets ban cell phones, more lives will be saved, and not just school children.
    So in your eyes there is absolutely no problem.
    Not even worth debating this.
    Because school shootings are not a real problem.

  13. #49533
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    So in your eyes there is absolutely no problem.
    Not even worth debating this.
    Because school shootings are not a real problem.
    There is a problem, but I know just banning guns will not fix the problem. The main problem is people focus too much on the HOW and not the WHY.
    Last edited by zenkai; 2018-06-18 at 07:42 PM.

  14. #49534
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    So in your eyes there is absolutely no problem.
    Not even worth debating this.
    Because school shootings are not a real problem.
    What we are saying is, that:
    1. There are other dangers that have more of a chance of happening then getting shot in school or getting shot in general.
    2. That there hasnt been anything proposed (short of a complete ban) that would stop these events from happening.

    It would be beneficial if you just took a step back, let go of the emotion of the subject and then debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    There is a problem, but I know just banning guns will fix the problem. The main problem is people focus too much on the HOW and not the WHY.
    Why?
    Because they can do it legally, In My Opinion

    There will always be bad people in the world. Nothing we can do about it, IMO

    But i bet, 100% sure, that IF in my country a 18y old could get a gun legally we would have here many school shootings.
    But they cant, so there are no school shootings or "gun incidents".

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    It would be beneficial if you just took a step back, let go of the emotion of the subject and then debate.
    I will try

  16. #49536
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    Why?
    Because they can do it legally IMO

    There will always be bad people in the world. Nothing we can do about it IMO

    But bet, 100% sure, that IF in my country a 18y old could get a gun legally we would have here many school shootings.
    But they cant, so there are no school shootings or "gun incidents".
    The why is because someone can buy a gun legally to do something illegal? WTF?
    A guy who wants to murder people will stop if he can't buy a gun?
    How can you believe this with a straight face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    The why is because someone can buy a gun legally to do something illegal? WTF?
    A guy who wants to murder people will stop if he can't buy a gun?
    How can you believe this with a straight face?
    If a person can't buy a gun...how can he/she do a school "shooting"?
    They can go on a stabbing spree with a knife, but thats way easier to stop.

  18. #49538
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    If a person can't buy a gun...how can he/she do a school "shooting"?
    They can go on a stabbing spree with a knife, but thats way easier to stop.
    So murder is fine as long as they don't shoot you. Nice logic there chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    So murder is fine as long as they don't shoot you. Nice logic there chief.
    If you were in school and you could choose between:
    A) A School Shooter with a legally bought AR-15
    B) A murderous teen with a kitchen knife

    Which one would you prefer...if you had to choose one?

  20. #49540
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowpunkz View Post
    If you were in school and you could choose between:
    A) A School Shooter with a legally bought AR-15
    B) A murderous teen with a kitchen knife

    Which one would you prefer...if you had to choose one?
    Because kitchen knife is the only other way to murder someone?

    Perhaps you haven't heard of the Austin Bomber or what happened in Nice France, I suggest you look those up.

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