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  1. #58661
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Both are idiots, both are responsible for escalating, but dude who brought the gun is the "badder guy" between the two since he escalated from a verbal and gently physical confrontation to literal lethal threat. Would other guy have been better served just walking off the property? Abso-freakin-lutely. The gun was beyond unnecessary and the correct course of action would have been for the micropenis guy #1 to walk back inside, phone the local police to report trespassing, and wait for the cops to show up and do their jobs.

    There is no situation where the other guy gets control of the gun if the gun is never brought out. This is purely based off the actions of one insecure beta-male who needs his Penis Enhancer(TM) to feel masculine in the face of a verbal confrontation.

    I cannot insult micropenis murderer guy enough.

    His stepson may now grow up without either of his father figures - his biological father who was murdered by his stepfather, and his stepfather who will (hopefully) spend many years in prison for an completely unnecessary murder.
    Like I said in original post:

    Kyle is the asshole that brought a gun into their little dick-waving contest and absolutely needs to be charged with murder.
    In no way am I auggesting that the Dad "deserved" this or anything at all. I'm just pointing out that the toxic machismo was on full display from both men and how easily it could have turned out to be Kyle's Last bad decision.

  2. #58662
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    In no way am I auggesting that the Dad "deserved" this or anything at all. I'm just pointing out that the toxic machismo was on full display from both men and how easily it could have turned out to be Kyle's Last bad decision.
    From what I understand, Texas has laws allowing you to use lethal force if someone uses force to try to remove you from your house (including the porch). Castle Doctrine is very broad in Texas, and while there were plenty of exit ramps in this argument, the Law basically is completely on the side of the guy who lives there vs the guy refusing to leave and using force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    From what I understand, Texas has laws allowing you to use lethal force if someone uses force to try to remove you from your house (including the porch). Castle Doctrine is very broad in Texas, and while there were plenty of exit ramps in this argument, the Law basically is completely on the side of the guy who lives there vs the guy refusing to leave and using force.
    Because our gun laws are beyond broken. The correct response to someone trespassing on your property and posing literally zero threat is to call the cops and let them do their jobs. That's what they're paid to do, that's what they're ostensibly trained to do. Our tax dollars at work, let our tax dollars work.

    But we've got a ton of folks that wish they were Paul Kersey - just without the dead wife and raped daughter - and are increasingly giddy at the opportunity to use a gun to kill someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because our gun laws are beyond broken. The correct response to someone trespassing on your property and posing literally zero threat is to call the cops and let them do their jobs. That's what they're paid to do, that's what they're ostensibly trained to do. Our tax dollars at work, let our tax dollars work.

    But we've got a ton of folks that wish they were Paul Kersey - just without the dead wife and raped daughter - and are increasingly giddy at the opportunity to use a gun to kill someone else.
    The law is not about a gun. If he had come out with an axe or sword or voodoo doll and killed the guy, the justification within the law is the same. Don't push someone off their porch in Texas, or they can kill you. Neither of them seemed to fear the other, gun or no, neither of them stepped back to involve the police. Idiots butted heads, one died. The law in Texas sides with king o'the castle.
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  5. #58665
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    The law is not about a gun. If he had come out with an axe or sword or voodoo doll and killed the guy, the justification within the law is the same. Don't push someone off their porch in Texas, or they can kill you.
    Which is still beyond batshit crazy and insane. Someone being on your porch, unwanted, is not a lethal threat and lethal force should not be a legal option to what is, at worst, a nuisance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    Neither of them seemed to fear the other, gun or no, neither of them stepped back to involve the police. Idiots butted heads, one died. The law in Texas sides with king o'the castle.
    And my critique is with the castle doctrine period, which is largely centered around the use of guns rather than axes or voodoo dolls. They're the kind of laws that make violent retards like this confidence enough that they're seemingly happy to pull out a gun and shoot someone posing no physical threat to them.

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    Another week, another senseless school shooting.

    Fucking. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Another week, another senseless school shooting.

    Fucking. Sigh.
    I haven't looked at all their posts today, but I was surprised to not see the regular headline on The Onion on this topic. A feature so regular that it has its own Wikipedia entry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_...ularly_Happens

  8. #58668
    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    Looks like a justified shoot. Hopefully he isn't charged.
    It's literally 1st degree murder, if you leave, go get a gun, and come back to murder someone. Because you literally had time to cool off, before you got to shoot someone in the heat of the moment.

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    Well, even if the authorities in Lubbock won't charge the killer, the victim's wife has just filed a wrongful death suit.


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  10. #58670
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Well, even if the authorities in Lubbock won't charge the killer, the victim's wife has just filed a wrongful death suit.
    Before the video ends, Kyle Carruth can also be heard telling Jennifer Read, "None of you all should be here. I asked you to leave. I did everything ... I did not want to do any of this."
    In which nobody believes this guy who appears to just have had a raging erection for killing someone. Doing "everything" would have been going inside with your wife while her ex-husband is outside, trespassing but posing no threat, and waiting for the police to tell him to take a hike or enjoy some new bracelets.

    Combo'd with his apparent lack of any reaction after killing an unarmed man and you have what appears to be a genuine sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    From what I understand, Texas has laws allowing you to use lethal force if someone uses force to try to remove you from your house (including the porch). Castle Doctrine is very broad in Texas, and while there were plenty of exit ramps in this argument, the Law basically is completely on the side of the guy who lives there vs the guy refusing to leave and using force.
    Castle doctrine still requires a active threat to said persons life. If just means they have a right to use deadly for to protect their house and have no obligation to retreat.

    Well seems I was wrong. Doesn't require a life threat but imo it requires more than what was shown here.


    But its texas so we know how this will go.

    I need to read more before commenting.

    Started reading this.
    The castle doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked, but a set of principles which may be incorporated in some form in many jurisdictions. Castle doctrines may not provide civil immunity, such as from wrongful death suits, which have a much lower burden of proof. Justifiable homicide[2] in self-defense which happens to occur inside one's home is distinct, as a matter of law, from castle doctrine because the mere occurrence of trespassing—and occasionally a subjective requirement of fear—is sufficient to invoke the castle doctrine. T


    Then came across this

    Conditions of use

    Each jurisdiction incorporates the castle doctrine into its laws in different ways. The circumstance in which it may be invoked include the premises covered (abode only, or other places too), the degree of retreat or non-deadly resistance required before deadly force can be used, etc. Typical conditions that apply to some castle doctrine laws include:[citation needed]

    • An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle.
    • The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties).
    • The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary.
    • The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder's threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.[20]
    In Colorado, the make-my-day statute provides the occupant with immunity from prosecution only for force used against a person who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, but not against a person who remains unlawfully in the dwelling.[21][22]
    I'll repeat. It's
    Texas so it's unlikely they will do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    In which nobody believes this guy who appears to just have had a raging erection for killing someone. Doing "everything" would have been going inside with your wife while her ex-husband is outside, trespassing but posing no threat, and waiting for the police to tell him to take a hike or enjoy some new bracelets.

    Combo'd with his apparent lack of any reaction after killing an unarmed man and you have what appears to be a genuine sociopath.
    I feel like it should be pointed out that that was not his wife. In fact, the killer is still currently married to a district court judge and has been having an affair with the victim's ex-wife. The killer's wife has attempted to distance herself even further from him, it appears.

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    Correction: Apparently, the killer's divorce was finalized two weeks after the shooting, so he's no longer currently married to the judge, but was at the time of the killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I feel like it should be pointed out that that was not his wife. In fact, the killer is still currently married to a district court judge and has been having an affair with the victim's ex-wife. The killer's wife has attempted to distance herself even further from him, it appears.

    EDIT:
    Correction: Apparently, the killer's divorce was finalized two weeks after the shooting, so he's no longer currently married to the judge, but was at the time of the killing.
    Oh man, so this poor kid not only has a dead biological father murdered by his stepfather, but his stepfather is also a massive piece of shit that cheats during marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Oh man, so this poor kid not only has a dead biological father murdered by his stepfather, but his stepfather is also a massive piece of shit that cheats during marriage.
    I mean, it's not like you can even call him a stepfather, because the mother was just his, what, girlfriend? Mistress? Side-piece?


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  15. #58675
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I mean, it's not like you can even call him a stepfather, because the mother was just his, what, girlfriend? Mistress? Side-piece?
    Ah, I thought they'd had a shotgun marriage or something. Well, that's actually kinda better then. Because at least it's just, "Mom's piece of shit ex(hopefully)-boyfriend" and not "my piece of shit stepfather". I can't imagine the kid will be wanting to spend too much time in the home where his father was murdered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ah, I thought they'd had a shotgun marriage or something. Well, that's actually kinda better then. Because at least it's just, "Mom's piece of shit ex(hopefully)-boyfriend" and not "my piece of shit stepfather". I can't imagine the kid will be wanting to spend too much time in the home where his father was murdered.
    Nah, he and the judge were still married when the shooting occurred. Couldn't have legally gotten married again until that was settled.


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  17. #58677
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Castle doctrine still requires a active threat to said persons life. If just means they have a right to use deadly for to protect their house and have no obligation to retreat.

    Well seems I was wrong. Doesn't require a life threat but imo it requires more than what was shown here.
    This is the right synopsis. I'm one of the gun nuts, but the firearms part of it is only relevant in this particular case to the extent to which it's introducing a highly lethal weapon into the altercation. There's some more legal niceties to the matter, but the bottom line from a standard legal and moral perspective is that you can't introduce lethal force to a confrontation where you had no reasonable belief that you would be grievously harmed and held innocent after the fact. I don't know whether that constitutes murder or manslaughter in local law, but it simply isn't an appropriate use of force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I feel like it should be pointed out that that was not his wife. In fact, the killer is still currently married to a district court judge and has been having an affair with the victim's ex-wife. The killer's wife has attempted to distance herself even further from him, it appears.

    EDIT:
    Correction: Apparently, the killer's divorce was finalized two weeks after the shooting, so he's no longer currently married to the judge, but was at the time of the killing.
    Godfuckingdamnit.

    I'll be damned if that isn't the most Texas sequence of events imaginable.

  18. #58678
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    From what I understand, Texas has laws allowing you to use lethal force if someone uses force to try to remove you from your house (including the porch). Castle Doctrine is very broad in Texas, and while there were plenty of exit ramps in this argument, the Law basically is completely on the side of the guy who lives there vs the guy refusing to leave and using force.

    There are some grey areas present in this case... bringing the gun out could be seen as escalation. At the point the gun was brought out...it was just a loud custody disagreement. Nothing that required use of lethal force. If it wasn't for the cellphone video... Kyle could spin any tale he wanted and there'd be really nothing that could be done. But that video is pretty damning. It makes Kyle look like the aggressor.

    But it is Texas...so it wouldn't surprise me if the DA decides not to pursue the case.

  19. #58679
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I feel like it should be pointed out that that was not his wife. In fact, the killer is still currently married to a district court judge and has been having an affair with the victim's ex-wife. The killer's wife has attempted to distance herself even further from him, it appears.

    EDIT:
    Correction: Apparently, the killer's divorce was finalized two weeks after the shooting, so he's no longer currently married to the judge, but was at the time of the killing.
    In the last episode of As The Trailer Turns, it was revealed that the killer was separated from his wife that is a judge while dating the Mother of the child. Father whose current wife filmed the shooting, as well as the Mother, both being felons and such, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    There are some grey areas present in this case... bringing the gun out could be seen as escalation. At the point the gun was brought out...it was just a loud custody disagreement. Nothing that required use of lethal force. If it wasn't for the cellphone video... Kyle could spin any tale he wanted and there'd be really nothing that could be done. But that video is pretty damning. It makes Kyle look like the aggressor.

    But it is Texas...so it wouldn't surprise me if the DA decides not to pursue the case.
    Like I said, from what I understand it doesn't matter what happened before the point where Father forced Boyfriend out of his Castle. Father forfeited his right to life by such actions in Texas. As far as Escalation goes, they were both escalating it repeatedly, but the only guy with that had no duty to retreat was the guy on his own land apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    Like I said, from what I understand it doesn't matter what happened before the point where Father forced Boyfriend out of his Castle. Father forfeited his right to life by such actions in Texas. As far as Escalation goes, they were both escalating it repeatedly, but the only guy with that had no duty to retreat was the guy on his own land apparently.
    Not if the court rules that grabbing the gun itself was the escalating factor

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