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  1. #24221
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Just because there's a long history of guns being used as weapons, doesn't mean they are always weapons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon

    they are by definition always weapons!
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

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    Posted this shit in a different thread about that movie shooting, dunno if its relevant to the current debate (saw it was about the neutrality of guns, but this thread is fucking retarded so its hard to keep up)

    Incidents like this are shocking not because of thier frequency, but thier infrequency and severity (much like the school shootings). These are tragedys in the sense that the could be prevented. The problem with the pro gun lobby is they are black and white (especially the NRA). They believe bad things happen because of bad people and we shouldnt keep the guns out of the hands of good guys. They believe the gun is neutral. Infact we need to worry about guns no matter who has them.

    Let's look at gun homicides : http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...eapon_2012.xls

    I direct your attention to 'other than felony'. Arguments. Thats over 1800 people killed with a gun out of a second of rage. The single most prolific type of homocide in america.

    Perhaps we should look at this too : http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...egion_2012.xls

    Any argument may end up being violent but if you add a gun to that the chances of someone dying are far greater.

    The shooter in this case, an ex-cop (good guy) had a moment of rage (that made him a bad guy). If he hadn't of had a gun perhaps he would have reached for a weapon. But there is only so much you can do with a bucket of popcorn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Except when they aren't used as weapons.
    Your continued deliberate ignorance is astonishing. Apparently you need to acquaint yourself with the engineering process before posting more; lest you continue undermining yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Except when they aren't used as weapons.
    What other use do they have? A floor mob or something?
    They are, and always will be weapons.... Your ignorance is amazing..

    I'm going out on a limb here, and say how people like you are the prime example why we need gun regulation that includes individual evaluation of the gun owner.
    You are amongst those people I feel most uncomfortable with to own a gun. Your ignorance, and/or lack of comprehension disqualifies you for being a responsible gun owner.
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    What makes an item a weapon?

    Intended design or actual use?

    If we were talking about a knife or a baseball bat, you would insist they aren't weapons. But if I kill someone with either one, clearly they were weapons at the time I used them as such. Conversely, if I never use a gun as a weapon, then it's not a weapon?

    Call it ignorance, but the entire point of this thread is that people are irrationally afraid of guns because of their perception of them. 'Always a weapon' can only be said if guns always injured/killed people.

    Since they don't, they can't always be called weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Call it ignorance, but the entire point of this thread is that people are irrationally afraid of guns because of their perception of them. 'Always a weapon' can only be said if guns always injured/killed people.
    People aren't "afraid" of guns as much as they loathe unqualified irresponsible people owning them, like yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    What makes an item a weapon?

    Intended design or actual use?

    If we were talking about a knife or a baseball bat, you would insist they aren't weapons. But if I kill someone with either one, clearly they were weapons at the time I used them as such. Conversely, if I never use a gun as a weapon, then it's not a weapon?

    Call it ignorance, but the entire point of this thread is that people are irrationally afraid of guns because of their perception of them. 'Always a weapon' can only be said if guns always injured/killed people.

    Since they don't, they can't always be called weapons.
    A baseball bat is a sports instrument
    A knife is a kitchen/cutting tool.
    A 2x4 is construction material
    A branch off a tree, is yard waste
    A scarf is a piece of clothing

    All of these things are made for that one purpose. All of these things can turn into a weapon when misused. Just like your hands.. Your hands aren't considered weapons, yet you can kill with them.

    Firearms are weapons, they are made as such, and it has ZERO bearing whether you use them for defense or offense.. They will always be weapons.

    Again, you either lack the comprehension and with that the intellectual potential to own a gun. Or you are ignorant on purpose, which leads to the same result..
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    For normal bullet propelled weapons I believe registration is already to late, and guns are spread around the US like a Con Man spreading his seed as he sold vacuum cleaners to unsuspecting wives.

    I believe the answer lies in registering weapons that don't even exist in public hands. Like...


    LASER GUNS.


    They will be a popular trend in the coming days, and I believe registering each one once they are sold is imperative to maintain the obvious peace and state of being in the US.

    Think about it, no bullets, cauterizes wounds, untraceable(except electric bill)...

    BAM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    A baseball bat is a sports instrument
    A knife is a kitchen tool.
    Not all of them (think combat knives, diving knives and hunting knives) and every knife can instantly double up as a weapon, with zero modification (as can a hammer). Apart from a butter knife, perhaps.

    But yes, guns are weapons, regardless of design. So is a catapult, and a slingshot. Guns give you range and rapidity.
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    People aren't "afraid" of guns as much as they loathe unqualified irresponsible people owning them, like yourself.
    Really? So people haven't spent 1200 pages in this thread trying to remove guns from society as much as possible out of fear that 'bad people' might get them and do bad things?

    Somehow I don't think you're right. People are very afraid of guns. So much, to the point where it's become irrational and people are willing to pass any law they can get through congress just to feel less afraid. People like Decklan, Wells, and yourself are even willing to justify passing terribly inefficient and ineffective laws that will place more burden on law abiding citizens than criminals.

    That's just how afraid of guns you people are.

    Firearms are weapons, they are made as such, and it has ZERO bearing whether you use them for defense or offense.. They will always be weapons.

    Again, you either lack the comprehension and with that the intellectual potential to own a gun. Or you are ignorant on purpose, which leads to the same result..
    Firearms are mechanical devices that fire projectiles. As such, they can be used for several different purposes, up to and including as a weapon to harm/kill other people.

    But this use is not intrinsic. It is not required. It does not define what a gun is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Really? So people haven't spent 1200 pages in this thread trying to remove guns from society as much as possible out of fear that 'bad people' might get them and do bad things?
    There's a difference in removing them from society and being responsible, although I don't know how much you're qualified to speak of the latter given your "storage" and "weapon" viewpoints.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Somehow I don't think you're right. People are very afraid of guns. So much, to the point where it's become irrational and people are willing to pass any law they can get through congress just to feel less afraid. People like Decklan, Wells, and yourself are even willing to justify passing terribly inefficient and ineffective laws that will place more burden on law abiding citizens than criminals.
    I really don't give a fuck how you feel. You've already demonstrated how irrational you are, and now you're just hand-waving away yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    There's a difference in removing them from society and being responsible, although I don't know how much you're qualified to speak of the latter given your "storage" and "weapon" viewpoints.
    I really don't give a fuck how you feel. You've already demonstrated how irrational you are, and now you're just hand-waving away yet again.
    How will a registry keep guns from killing people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dethh View Post
    How will a registry keep guns from killing people?
    It tracks sources of loss, i.e. where guns are going from legal to illegal. You can then prosecute these sources as accessories and close them down.

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    There's a difference in removing them from society and being responsible, although I don't know how much you're qualified to speak of the latter given your "storage" and "weapon" viewpoints.
    Considering the fact you want to punish people for not following strict laws you want to impose, I doubt you're qualified to understand the difference between frightened gun control and responsible gun ownership.

    I really don't give a fuck how you feel. You've already demonstrated how irrational you are, and now you're just hand-waving away yet again.
    Now you're just being vulgar and Decklan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Considering the fact you want to punish people for not following strict laws you want to impose, I doubt you're qualified to understand the difference between frightened gun control and responsible gun ownership.
    You have no place to say responsible gun storage when you have no idea what it entails. No such thing as bad storage, seriously?

    It's why it's not surprising that you are unable to grasp that my proposals can be integrated easily with a UBC law and operate seamlessly. Calling it "punishing" is intellectually dishonest and somewhat hilarious, and why rational people don't take whiners like that seriously.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Now you're just being vulgar and Decklan.
    I'll take that as a compliment. Unlike you, Decklan actually bases shit in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Firearms are mechanical devices that fire projectiles. As such, they can be used for several different purposes, up to and including as a weapon to harm/kill other people.

    But this use is not intrinsic. It is not required. It does not define what a gun is.
    well then you probably should rewrite the wiki articles and some dictionaries as well... because all of them apparently are wrong in their definitions of firearms
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

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    You have no place to say responsible gun storage when you have no idea what it entails.
    I said 'responsible gun ownership,' of which there are many different levels of acceptable storage. You want everyone to keep their guns in safes, regardless of circumstances that wouldn't require one.

    I'd also like to know what makes you think your definition of 'responsible gun storage' is correct or even necessary.

    I'll take that as a compliment. Unlike you, Decklan actually bases shit in the real world.
    You mean when he intentionally ignores the content of my posts so he can accuse me of hand waiving his arguments away, despite the fact that I typically address every point he makes?

    Yeah, that's some 'real world basis' if I've ever seen it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    well then you probably should rewrite the wiki articles and some dictionaries as well... because all of them apparently are wrong in their definitions of firearms
    Unfortunately for you, dictionaries are not authorities on the definitions of words. Words are defined by the context in which they are used. This is why many words have multiple definitions/uses, and those definitions/uses change over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    I said 'responsible gun ownership,' of which there are many different levels of acceptable storage. You want everyone to keep their guns in safes, regardless of circumstances that wouldn't require one.
    You think "responsibility" is on the counter or under a pillow. Views like that are why "the nanny state" is necessary in some regards; as people thoroughly demonstrate they're incapable of responsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    You mean when he intentionally ignores the content of my posts so he can accuse me of hand waiving his arguments away, despite the fact that I typically address every point he makes?

    Yeah, that's some 'real world basis' if I've ever seen it.
    He "ignores" you when you put up the same debunked bullshit again and again without source and declare its veracity. Decklan lives in the real-world. It's high time you joined it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Unfortunately for you, dictionaries are not authorities on the definitions of words. Words are defined by the context in which they are used. This is why many words have multiple definitions/uses, and those definitions/uses change over time.
    Oh my fucking God, this is brilliant right after you declare others are handwaving.

    Dictionaries aren't experts on the definitions of words (which is funny as shit) because I said so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Really? So people haven't spent 1200 pages in this thread trying to remove guns from society as much as possible out of fear that 'bad people' might get them and do bad things?

    Somehow I don't think you're right. People are very afraid of guns. So much, to the point where it's become irrational and people are willing to pass any law they can get through congress just to feel less afraid. People like Decklan, Wells, and yourself are even willing to justify passing terribly inefficient and ineffective laws that will place more burden on law abiding citizens than criminals.

    That's just how afraid of guns you people are.



    Firearms are mechanical devices that fire projectiles. As such, they can be used for several different purposes, up to and including as a weapon to harm/kill other people.

    But this use is not intrinsic. It is not required. It does not define what a gun is.
    Someone arguing that guns shouldn't inherently be considered as weapons has no standing to determine who is irrational. You are what we call, oblivious to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    You mean when he intentionally ignores the content of my posts so he can accuse me of hand waiving his arguments away, despite the fact that I typically address every point he makes?

    Yeah, that's some 'real world basis' if I've ever seen it.
    The content of your posts isn't supported by anything except your own nothingness. There's not even anything there to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Unfortunately for you, dictionaries are not authorities on the definitions of words. Words are defined by the context in which they are used. This is why many words have multiple definitions/uses, and those definitions/uses change over time.
    <blink>...

    I'm looking for a word to describe this...let me get my dictionary.

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