View Poll Results: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

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  1. #49381
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavian View Post
    Then their goal was murder, not robbery.
    And how do you know this going into the robbery?

  2. #49382
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    And how do you know this going into the robbery?
    I would daresay that if you are attacked by someone like the vilain of the week in ''Criminal Minds'', he is not going to stand still while you say ''let me give you my wallet that is totally not bulging out my pants''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Hmf...probably already posted but back a few years ago; CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’
    I'm sure this quote is as accurate as the one last night. in that CDC ''report'' that is not a report but a study on methological approaches to gun violence.

  3. #49383
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And the biggest one of all in the U.S. used what again? Along with the two biggest school shootings. Do you realize what we're arguing about? We are the only civilized country that has mass shootings anymore.
    When you have more of something you will have more negative results from it. We have over 300 million firearms, frankly I am surprised the death count isnt higher.


    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    If you want the gun regulation people to just roll over gun rights' advocates then fine, make it relevant. But you have to understand that arguing specific terminology, while useful, doesn't help when you say if "falls on deaf ears" - they will say, fine, we'll just ban them all. Easy.

    If you want the conversation, you have to meet people half way.

    I dont want gun control advocate to roll over. I want them to learn the terminology to ensure we are all speaking about the same things. Otherwise when one person says "Machine gun" the other isnt sure if they mean "semi-auto" or "Fully auto"



    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It will be interesting to see if this continues. Since school shootings keep happening, I imagine it will.
    I dont think it will, unless one happens during the election cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    I would daresay that if you are attacked by someone like the vilain of the week in ''Criminal Minds'', he is not going to stand still while you say ''let me give you my wallet that is totally not bulging out my pants''
    People see a news report of someone who was robbed and murdered or vice versa and determine that they dont want to be the next victim. So they go out and take self defense classes or purchase a knife. I do not judge them for wanting to defend themselves.
    Last edited by petej0; 2018-03-26 at 08:36 PM.

  4. #49384
    Sarahtasher, if you knew more about actual force-on-force training, you'd know nobody is out there being trained to pull out a gun to protect $40-50, they are being told to cooperate with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavian View Post
    Prevent them from getting a gun illegally and they'll find more dastardly ways of killing their fellow students.
    With what? Fertilizer? Plastic explosives? Both of those are heavily regulated and take in-depth vetting protocols before the buyer is cleared for purchase.

  6. #49386
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post


    You think it is because you deflect and dissemble when cornered with facts and logic. Nothing here is telling us differently. Or do you not understand the difference between a fake gun and a non-existent gun?
    I made a point and you have provided nothing to counter it unless you count personal attacks and emoji's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavian View Post
    Then their goal was murder, not robbery.
    Or both, or other things as well. Maybe his goal was just to rob you but decided to leave no witnesses.

  7. #49387
    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    With what? Fertilizer? Plastic explosives? Both of those are heavily regulated and take in-depth vetting protocols before the buyer is cleared for purchase.
    I agree, the gun is the easiest method and they probably wont do anything if they cant get a gun. Although with the slenderman killings the two girls lead the third girl into the woods and stabbed her and left her for dead.

    However I think the vast majority of problems in schools today are because of bullying. Which makes this whole walkout thing kinda ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I made a point and you have provided nothing to counter it unless you count personal attacks and emoji's.
    I'm not sure that emoji's are personal attacks. The other stuff was just an observation of your previous behavior. If you don't believe me, just ask others who have tried to have civilized conversations with you and been rebuffed by your deflection.

    Your response above is a perfect example - you don't address or correct the point at all. Just rinse/repeat with nothing new.

    Or are fake guns the same thing as no gun?

    Please, prove me wrong - address the issue instead of your usual obfuscation. We'll be shocked.
    No one is above the law!

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    I agree, the gun is the easiest method and they probably wont do anything if they cant get a gun. Although with the slenderman killings the two girls lead the third girl into the woods and stabbed her and left her for dead.

    However I think the vast majority of problems in schools today are because of bullying. Which makes this whole walkout thing kinda ironic.
    But even in your own example, one person died, not 17, or 49, or 58.

    The consequences of a person being bullied or ostracized would be considerably less if they couldn't just walk into a store and purchase a firearm or take a firearm from a "responsible gun owner" and use it in the commission of a crime.

  10. #49390
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    I'm sure this quote is as accurate as the one last night. in that CDC ''report'' that is not a report but a study on methological approaches to gun violence.
    And I'm sure you wouldn't accept any report that sees any opposition to your opinion.

  11. #49391
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm not sure that emoji's are personal attacks. The other stuff was just an observation of your previous behavior. If you don't believe me, just ask others who have tried to have civilized conversations with you and been rebuffed by your deflection.

    Your response above is a perfect example - you don't address or correct the point at all. Just rinse/repeat with nothing new.

    Or are fake guns the same thing as no gun?

    Please, prove me wrong - address the issue instead of your usual obfuscation. We'll be shocked.
    I said personal attacks and Emoji's, not sure how you couldn't understand the sentence...

    Prove my point wrong or don't post at me at all.

  12. #49392
    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    But even in your own example, one person died, not 17, or 49, or 58.

    The consequences of a person being bullied or ostracized would be considerably less if they couldn't just walk into a store and purchase a firearm or take a firearm from a "responsible gun owner" and use it in the commission of a crime.
    I havent heard of any schools shootings done by middle schoolers or high schoolers who bought their guns from their local firearm store. Taking them from a legal owner is a separate topic though and I think those owners should be charged as accessory or at the very least charged with endangerment.

    And it would be even less, if parents taught their children to respect their classmates. We wouldnt have the sad stories of 13 year old kids hanging themselves in their closets which probably happen more often. Maybe its ok though because its only one death not 17 or 49 or 58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I said personal attacks and Emoji's, not sure how you couldn't understand the sentence...

    Prove my point wrong or don't post at me at all.
    Still not addressing the issue I see. Proving that all the observations of your deflection and obfuscation are correct.

    Thanks!
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    So you can't prove me wrong, got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    I havent heard of any schools shootings done by middle schoolers or high schoolers who bought their guns from their local firearm store. Taking them from a legal owner is a separate topic though and I think those owners should be charged as accessory or at the very least charged with endangerment.

    And it would be even less, if parents taught their children to respect their classmates. We wouldnt have the sad stories of 13 year old kids hanging themselves in their closets which probably happen more often. Maybe its ok though because its only one death not 17 or 49 or 58.
    And that conversation would invariably lead to school funding of in-house psychologists, therapists, counselors, and other professions that NRA gun owner types would consider "libruhl, big gub'mint ivory tower edumacated" types who wouldn't want to see their property taxes or federal income taxes going to those types of mental problems.

    So until conservatives stop being reactionary and antithetical to school funding and other schooling improvements, this whole conversation of healthcare access is meaningless, just like it was designed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    And that conversation would invariably lead to school funding of in-house psychologists, therapists, counselors, and other professions that NRA gun owner types would consider "libruhl, big gub'mint ivory tower edumacated" types who wouldn't want to see their property taxes or federal income taxes going to those types of mental problems.

    So until conservatives stop being reactionary and antithetical to school funding and other schooling improvements, this whole conversation of healthcare access is meaningless, just like it was designed to be.
    I'm an NRA member and highly educated, working for a University in the USA.

    Skipping all the hyperbole... and when we really get down to it, unstable people need to be in a mental ward.
    This was common in the past.
    The problem is this is not a politically correct move, and the public doesn't have the stomach for it.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/11/30/56747...-health-crisis
    Push it to the limit

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  17. #49397
    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    Oh yeah I know, just felt the need to say it. It's ridiculous all these gun owners like to claim they are responsible good people and throw a fit because they will be inconvenienced.

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    I'm pretty sure we are. The important thing is to speak up and try to change things.
    People only seem to want to change one thing.

  18. #49398
    Quote Originally Posted by misterpuk View Post
    I don't believe this to be accurate.
    Well your beliefs are unfound.
    Socialism is the only economic system that requires billionaires to exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    This term isn't far off, though it would need the word "scientific" in front of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    Accessibility, ownership, availability; these are all essentially the same thing.

  19. #49399
    Hmf...see plenty of front lawn signs that say protected by Smith & Wesson, or Glock, or Winchester or . But I never see any "gun-free" house signs.

  20. #49400
    Quote Originally Posted by Mullet Man View Post
    I'm an NRA member and highly educated, working for a University in the USA.

    Skipping all the hyperbole... and when we really get down to it, unstable people need to be in a mental ward.
    This was common in the past.
    The problem is this is not a politically correct move, and the public doesn't have the stomach for it.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/11/30/56747...-health-crisis
    Ok, so you would be for comitting to psych wards (hint : they need something called M-O-N-E-Y to operate) the lunatics that listen to Alex Jones and believe that they are sex tunnels beyond pizzeria ?

    Or the NRA ''lunatics'', AKA people wondering why someone need 45 different guns ?

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