The Last Straw

**Cejissax** · 2012-12-23, 08:42 AM

If you hate so many thing about the game, please consider doing the following:
Delete your account.
Uninstall the game.
Stop visiting WoW forums.
Stop visiting WoW-related websites.
Whenever you're about to talk or type about WoW, stop and just don't say it.

You're never going to find a game that caters to you. Everything in your post is your opinion. Personally, I don't agree with any of your points. But that is my opinion and I sure don't try to pass it for fact. You quitting the game isn't going to hurt Blizzard or WoW's playerbase. In fact, having one less crybaby will improve the playerbase. Just leave, and go quietly.

**ZeroEdgeir** · 2012-12-23, 08:43 AM

Let's dissect your post here some.

Molten Front dailies, for a single faction, was too much on any given day. Overall ONE faction in MoP is about that bad, and even Blizzard has admitted they'd do it differently. Even right now, if you are gearing an alt, it is way too easy to get to Revered with the Grand Commendations. Golden Lotus is 1 week, exactly. Klaxxi? FIRST DAY. Seriously, I am sitting at ~11350/21000 after doing Dread Wastes from start to finish today, and all the initial dailies, on my Warlock alt.

Valor Gear? Yeah, gated behind some rep, some more painful to gain than others. But equally so, was merely side-grades to fill RNG gaps from raiding (at the normal level. Heroic raiders cared less about the VP gear, cause they wanted their Heroic loot, and given how quick they moved onto Heroic kills, it wasn't so relevant), AND was only equal to Mogu'shan Vaults for ilevel. HoF and ToES are superior to VP gear, flat-out. So yes, it is very much optional.

The extra gear rolls... you do realize that to collect 90 Lesser Charms a week, you'd have to do 7 dailies 3 days a week, and 6 dailies the other 4, to get 90 (assuming all dailies award 2 Lesser Charms, I know a few only give 1). That takes NO effort. And hey, you even get a bit of Valor out of it too! 225 Valor just for getting 90 Lesser Charms from dailies. That is almost 1/4 your weekly earnings done, just because there was something else you needed. Two birds one stone much? Dunno where you get the idea that food and flasks require dailies or rep grinds... they don't. Food has always been tied to cooking. It's a slow, and arduous process, but it's the same as always, and nobody is making anyone master every way of cooking. You could stop at the Skill 550 recipe for your main stat and call it a day. Flasks, that is exactly the same as always, nothing has changed there.

Ability bloat... I'll disagree there. I managed to trim myself down to JUST two bars to cover all my necessary commands for both Retribution and Protection as a Paladin. Before, it was 3-3.5 bars worth. That is trimming it down. Similarly for my Warlock (as Destro/Demo). Can't speak for all classes though.

Things you assume to be basic and/or simple, like character models, green fire for warlock spells, etc. is not. Think, just briefly, how many things go into changing Immolate from red to green (and keep in mind, it has to be able to function as BOTH). Separate spell IDs, so now anything associated with Immolate has to check for either spell ID, instead of just the original spell ID. This has to be tested to ensure it functions properly. And now do that for everything relevant to that one spell, and repeat it over for every spell being changed. It's not so easy, especially if the functionally glitches out during the testing phase, making them have to figure out what went wrong, why, and how to fix it. Coming from a pretty novice programmer myself, it is never fun to track down a bug in code, and given the sheer size of WoW, there is minor changes that, while directly having no impact whatsoever on anything, will somehow trickle down into something totally unrelated and break THAT (ex: Cataclysm breaking TBC quests in Outlands... how did that happen, when TBC content was 100% untouched?). Character models are another ball-game entirely, in that there is so much artwork and modelling that has to be done, it isn't even laughably funny. And hey, they could have been working full-steam on them "since Wrath", like you said, but then let's face it: The goblins and worgen wouldn't look as good, most of the artistic content for the launch of Cata would have had to suffer for it... You aren't looking at the big picture: Now player models will be nice, but are not necessary for the game to keep being what it is.

As to homogenization, you got two choices: There is going to be similarities to make sure every class of a role can do the job nearly equally (usually within a 5% margin of error), or you wind up having too big a disparity, like in early-mid WotLK with the tanks, that some fights were tailored more for certain tanks, by LARGE margins, which causes social drama and unneeded stress within guilds. Unless they just scrap all classes and do the following: Tank, Healer, Ranged, Melee. Those are your "classes", let you customize what your spells/attacks look like, but at the end of the day, it's all just graphics, and it's all functionally identical. Then there is no homogenization, cause you only got 4 roles and no different takes on them. I'd prefer there is enough similarities that anyone of equal skill and gearing can do the job with any class filling that role, than making it so the disparity of those within the role are so great that there is flat-out options you NEVER want to bring. We had that before, it was called "Classic".

Several types of currency... Lesser Charms of Good Fortune, yeah, small slip-up on their hands making it an item instead of a currency, it's fixed. The rest? Okay, so we got Ironpaw tokens... Elder Charms of Good Fortune... both in the currency window. And um... the new commendations for 5.1? That is about it, I do believe. And the new commendations stack to a ridiculous number.

Blizzard always takes feedback under advisement. It is never been a "if you tell us it is not right, we'll make it right". It has been, and will be a "Let us know if you see something not behaving correctly, we will look into it from our side, where we got alot more data to work with than you have available from outside". They are not designing the game based on the community's whims. Cause nothing would get done. Yes, it may take awhile sometimes to get things done, but frankly, they also don't want to have to patch the game weekly, when you consider things like user downtime, user bandwidth, the add-on community, among other things.

All in all, I can't agree with a single point you made. I've been playing for over 8 years now, I've been through progression raiding in Classic, super casual in TBC (as in no raiding at all), pretty casual raiding in WotLK and early Cata, and just a casual LFR ever since 4.3. Aside from PvP, I've been through it all, as far as elements of the game are concerned. And really, I wouldn't change much of anything or demand anything more. Right now, I got more to do than I'd like to admit in WoW, and this is after already having finished every daily faction in MoP already on my main.

**Strangewayes** · 2012-12-23, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by IRunSoFarAway

If your point is that Blizzard doesn't listen, everyone already knows this...There were many things that were reported on beta that went to live and took some time to fix, and the fact is that most of the time they don't listen or learn from anything, there are many examples of this past, present, and future I'm sure.

Also, you say it's the last straw, but I don't see anything in your post about quitting...Is this the "last straw" that made you quit? Or made you make a post about how bad Blizzard is?

Yeah, I'm quitting. I'm just sick of things that aren't new Raids, or new ways of doing dailies or quests being ignored. In the rush to bring new things in, it seems they forget what they already made sometimes. Think of Alterac Valley for example, it had great vision, and ideas behind it, but now it's a shadow of it's former self. AB and WSG have been remade over again as more Rated BG friendly versions, while the originals have stagnated. They constantly pushed vehicle combat on the playerbase over and over again, thinking "They'll love this!" and not realizing the players want to play themselves, not vehicles. Do people even care about those two vehicle based BGs? Not many I'd wager.

If you think I'm mad because they didn't listen to me the "super amazing genius player" you didn't even read my original post. I never made any of the suggestions, they were made by players with probably more skill and playtime than me. I'm simply sick of watching good idea's flitter away to the 5 year backlog because it doesn't fit Blizzards "current vision"

**Reith** · 2012-12-23, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Believe it or not blizz does know best about most things. You don't make the biggest MMO ever made and not know what you are doing.

You kind-of have to believe Blizzard doesn't know what they're doing half the time, because the only alternative is too disheartening.

**MoanaLisa** · 2012-12-23, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Strangewayes

What mid range raider would pass up required flasks, food, extra gear or extra gear rolls?

The sort of mid-range raider that truly understands that he/she is a mid-range raider for a reason and extra food, flasks, and gear rolls won't make him/her into a top-line raider. It's fine to be aspirational with your toon but doing things that you loathe in an activity that you are supposed to be playing for entertainment doesn't strike me as a good use of time. If one is seriously that dedicated to doing the things that top-end raiders do, they understand that they need to get about the job of doing them and not spend a lot of time or energy complaining about them.

**IRunSoFarAway** · 2012-12-23, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Strangewayes

Yeah, I'm quitting. I'm just sick of things that aren't new Raids, or new ways of doing dailies or quests being ignored. In the rush to bring new things in, it seems they forget what they already made sometimes. Think of Alterac Valley for example, it had great vision, and ideas behind it, but now it's a shadow of it's former self. AB and WSG have been remade over again as more Rated BG friendly versions, while the originals have stagnated. They constantly pushed vehicle combat on the playerbase over and over again, thinking "They'll love this!" and not realizing the players want to play themselves, not vehicles. Do people even care about those two vehicle based BGs? Not many I'd wager.

If you think I'm mad because they didn't listen to me the "super amazing genius player" you didn't even read my original post. I never made any of the suggestions, they were made by players with probably more skill and playtime than me. I'm simply sick of watching good idea's flitter away to the 5 year backlog because it doesn't fit Blizzards "current vision"

Good to hear your're quitting at least, I would hope if someone disliked something so much then they would, kudos to you.

I don't think you're "mad", just another player frustrated with the current status of the game, at least you had enough common sense to say enough is enough and quit, most people can't even say that.

Hopefully you find enjoyment in your next venture, whatever that may be.

**Airwaves** · 2012-12-23, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Strangewayes

Yeah, I'm quitting. I'm just sick of things that aren't new Raids, or new ways of doing dailies or quests being ignored. In the rush to bring new things in, it seems they forget what they already made sometimes. Think of Alterac Valley for example, it had great vision, and ideas behind it, but now it's a shadow of it's former self. AB and WSG have been remade over again as more Rated BG friendly versions, while the originals have stagnated. They constantly pushed vehicle combat on the playerbase over and over again, thinking "They'll love this!" and not realizing the players want to play themselves, not vehicles. Do people even care about those two vehicle based BGs? Not many I'd wager.

If you think I'm mad because they didn't listen to me the "super amazing genius player" you didn't even read my original post. I never made any of the suggestions, they were made by players with probably more skill and playtime than me. I'm simply sick of watching good idea's flitter away to the 5 year backlog because it doesn't fit Blizzards "current vision"

Well bye! We don't need you here trying to justify TO YOURSELF why you are leaving wow.

**Kaleredar** · 2012-12-23, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Strangewayes

Yeah, I'm quitting. I'm just sick of things that aren't new Raids, or new ways of doing dailies or quests being ignored. In the rush to bring new things in, it seems they forget what they already made sometimes. Think of Alterac Valley for example, it had great vision, and ideas behind it, but now it's a shadow of it's former self.

Blizzard didn't change a thing in the way Alterac Valley necessarily functions. Players started playing it differently.

AB and WSG have been remade over again as more Rated BG friendly versions, while the originals have stagnated. They constantly pushed vehicle combat on the playerbase over and over again, thinking "They'll love this!" and not realizing the players want to play themselves, not vehicles. Do people even care about those two vehicle based BGs? Not many I'd wager.

Wintergrasp was amazing BECAUSE of the vehicles. And I like isle of conquest.

If you think I'm mad because they didn't listen to me the "super amazing genius player" you didn't even read my original post. I never made any of the suggestions, they were made by players with probably more skill and playtime than me. I'm simply sick of watching good idea's flitter away to the 5 year backlog because it doesn't fit Blizzards "current vision"

Blizzard can't do everything players ask. I think adding Devilsaur mounts is a good idea. Am I going to quit the game over lack of devilsaur mounts? No. I'd think Dread Wastes would look better as a desert than a sparse woodland. Am I going to quit if blizzard doesn't make their entire world design department redo the entirety of Dread wastes? No.

**RandomGamer** · 2012-12-23, 08:51 AM

So... What is the point of this thread?

Are you giving Blizzard an ultimatum? or is this you farewell letter ? or just venting off and trying to find an audience ?

I just don't get it

**Sky High** · 2012-12-23, 08:53 AM

so you post yet another I'm not happy with X,Y,Z in this game I'm quitting and your surprised blizz locked it? get over yourself. the things you brought up are trivial at least in my mind. if all you can do is focus on what little things you don't like as compared to things you enjoy in the game then by all means take the pity party elsewhere.

**Blarglord69** · 2012-12-23, 08:53 AM

So long and thanks for all the fish,

**Anathaema** · 2012-12-23, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Strangewayes

*sigh* I'm not talking about a few random posters, I'm talking about top PVP'ers, top Raider's, and people who post well thought out and extensive feedback.

And I'm not talking about daily quality. I'm talking about how many dailies there were neccesary as a Raider, to complete. While Blizzard said they were completely optional.

But, you know what? Nevermind.... if the playerbase isn't understanding what I'm complaining about, perhaps it's a sign that I'm not meant to be playing anymore. And that I am no longer the demographic they are seeking.

I feel you and I have stopped playing 2-3 months ago for mostly the same reasons you were mentioning in the original post.
Plus a few misscom between guildies but that's included in the playerbase category.

**MoanaLisa** · 2012-12-23, 08:55 AM

Just a very quick moderation note: There are a number of valid things to talk about in the original post. One can agree or disagree with them and a lot of good discussion is there to have if you wish. I would encourage that. If this is simply an "I quit" thread and most of the posting revolves around that then this will be closed since we don't allow "I Quit" threads here.

Your choice.

**Sky High** · 2012-12-23, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by IRunSoFarAway

I don't think you're "mad", just another player frustrated with the current status of the game, at least you had enough common sense to say enough is enough and quit, most people can't even say that.

no its: weighing what we aren't enjoying to what we do enjoy about the game. and the fact most people lean to the enjoy it enough to keep playing comes off as a lack of common sense to you in a less then subtle way pisses me off. there are things i don't like or are unhappy about in the game but they are FAR outweighed by the things i continue to enjoy. but thats just opinion.

**jd812** · 2012-12-23, 09:05 AM

so op can i has ur stuff since u r leaving cause i totally disagree with most of what u said and i ain't goin no where for a while?

**rogoth** · 2012-12-23, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Joeydivision82

No game or development is going to be perfect, this game ha a lot of issues, but in the end, it is still the best mmo there is.

just because it is the best of a bad bunch does not give it license to completely screw over the playerbase which pay the wages of the staff, finance other projects, and ultimately, create the content we all have played/will play.

it is this mentality "oh we are soo much better than our competitors that we can idle by and do as we please", i am praying for the day a game is released, and is able to challenge blizzard, because a lack of competition has made the company grow into a very apathetic group of individuals, it would seem the rapid decline in player subscriptions from cataclysm wasn't enough of a kick in crotch to get the company as a whole motivated to making the game better for all who play it, old and new alike.

i agree with the OP in as much as, many players over the years have said similar things "doing this will be a bad idea, fix it before it becomes a probelm" and blizz have just ignored this feedback and have gone ahead anyway, and to the posters who say "blizz make the game they know better than anyone" actually they don't, the original team that made this game soo many years ago now, are either no longer at the company, or are working on other projects, the playerbase ultimately know what is a good idea and what is a bad idea (i'm talking general consensus and not the usual forum numpty "buff my class i r weak!"), all the developers do is facilitate the change, i am willing to bet a large chunk of cash, that many of the developers are there "for the job" and not necessarily because the love and adore the game as is spouted by the guys and gals of the blue corner, and not all will give a damn as to how something works, just that it does, they do their job, and that is that.

**Strangewayes** · 2012-12-23, 09:10 AM