Solution to what? There isn't a problem for 99% of people that play wow. Only the 1% on the forums that cry about everything.
Solution to what? There isn't a problem for 99% of people that play wow. Only the 1% on the forums that cry about everything.
Aye mate
I hate grinds period. Figure out something more intricate and feels a lot more genuine. Their came designers not factory workers.
No... not no.. hell no.... slapping on a tabard and grinding dungeons has been a admitted as a flaw, they are not going back.
Given that I got to 90 last night with my 5th toon... within 2 hours I was 999/1000 max exalted with TWO factions starting from zero.. in under 2 hrs... and that was without a bloody tabard... You want the rep, earn it... dungeon grinding isn't earning it...
you HAVE middle ground... Blizzard gave you commendations.. use them.
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Why? Whats it going to hurt? Blizzard doesn't want you grinding dungeons for rep... period. thats why.
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if you dont want to go thru the dailies, then dont... dont wanna do dailies and still wanna gear your toon... then bust your balls to get your toon to 460 and then live in LFR or your guild raids... want the VP stuff that is tied to rep, then earn the rep.
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Don't forget that dailies also try to tell some sort of story about the faction, and why you're helping them. What their place is in the world, their history.
Good example is the Klaxxi, and also the new 5.1 Krasarang factions. If you grab a tabard it's just another mindless bar in your rep tab, without any culture or lore.
I for one like the dailies as they are now.
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You don't haveto use that tabard, as i understand OP. You can do it if you don't like to do dailies.
If you want to do dalies on your alts, you can keep on doing that, but for the people like me that had less than 100 dailies before mist(which i only got to do get the main food-recipies on my main, and JC-recipies on an alt), it's actually a nice idea. You still have to get to that point, before you can do it, so you've clearly seen all the dailies there is. Doesn't even have to be fast to go in instances. Can be a cap as you have with dailies, and i would be a happy turtle
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A middle ground that still require you to do what you hate the most in the game. yes. That is actually what i hate the most in the game. I like to fish, farm herbs, ores, gold, instances, raids, walking the world, standing in ogrimmar, do scenarios, RP, pvp and the things i forgot, more than that
I don't really complain much, since i understand the idea, and i know i cna avoid doing it, which i am. I did it on the main to make him raid-ready, but i'm not doing a single daily on my alts.
I can come up with many things that i'm sure you hate to do as much as some of us hate to do dailies, that you really wouldn't want to do, just because it was twice as fast. It's still not fun to me in any way
Everyone has so much to say
They talk talk talk their lives away
I really don't see your point about keeping track of them. You just wear the one for the faction you want rep with, no track-keeping required. Just like in Cata.
Not that I really see a point in adding tabards again, because they're both ugly and the rep isn't even something that matters anymore anyway(because of VP upgrades, reps are just for the cosmetic stuff and recipes now). I just want other ways to get Lesser Charms, and no, pet battles really isn't something I want to do for charms either. Just let me get 2 useful things from dungeons and stop complaining that dungeons shouldn't give anywhere near as good rewards as reps.
In case I need to point out what dungeons in Cata gave, it was:Originally Posted by http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6161067458?page=8#145
Reputation -> a couple of T11 normal(so first tier of the expansion) level epics
Gold -> BoEs/enchants/consumables
Valor points(7 times per week) -> current tier itemlevel epics for a few slots
Last edited by Tradu; 2012-12-25 at 12:46 AM.
Okay... how about this... you can have your tabard, BUT, when you equip the tabard all the dailies for that day become unavailable, and any commendations that have been purchased become inactive for the time you are wearing the tabard, and the rep gained can not exceed 50% of what doing the dailies would have granted for that day.
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Lesser charms are meant as part of the reward for doing dailies, want the charms bad enough then do the dailies... dont wanna do the dailies then dont, but then turning around and asking for benefit that you didn't earn is just QQ
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No, the point is that dailies give MORE than dungeons used to, but thats somehow okay, because its Mists of Dailyaria. Charms are even more valuable than what dungeons used to give. Also, you missed the part where Blizzard said they wanted to give us options. Right now, there are no options for where to get Charms from. They're adding them to pet battles, which I guess is good for those people who care about those, and gives those of us who dislike dailies another way to get them(even if that way is also not interesting to me)
Last edited by Tradu; 2012-12-25 at 12:51 AM.
Being a tabard addict... I approve of this idea, OP. (As long as they go with some of my transmogged gear.)
The problem with this and any solution is that with a player base of ~10million subscribers... you will not EVER have a "Problem Solved". You can merely address concerns as best you can for a sweeping majority. However, this majority is NOT who you will usually see on the forums complaining. Instead, you run into the vocal minority at best. If this change were to be implemented, then the complaining would shift to oppose it. In all likeliness this was already brought up in the office many times and may not have been accepted as a best case for the player base.
The problem with this logic (and I point this out because it is the same logic used when people complain about dailies in general) is that if there IS an option for advancement of any kind, the same vocal minority will declare that is IS required and that you DO have to use it. Despite the fact that you do not HAVE to grind dailies all day every day in order to get your item level up enough to raid (as I certainly didn't on 1 alt before commendations and 1 alt after), that is what people complained about (in the form of "I hate dailies because I am forced to do them like a job to get to raiding").
Personally, I dislike running dungeons because none of my friends that I play with enjoy them. Therefore, when I do run them (currently to top off Valor for Wrathion) I use LFD solo and run with pugs. I do like dailies because they are quick, concise, and give me more valor than running a dungeon (including the queue as dps [warlock, so only dps]).
However, I wouldn't care if this were to be added so long as it does not impact my current gameplay as is because I simply would not use it. Only if as part of the implementation it impacted my current system in a negative fashion (as some of the replies have suggested doing) would I oppose it.
Alot of people are still confused here apperently and/or are getting mad at nothing/wanting to troll. Again this is only for alts. Daily's are still there. If you want to still do daily's then do daily's. What is so hard to understand that I and alot of other people dont want to have to go through the exact same "Crap" 4 maybe 5 times over when all anyone really wants to do with an ALT is gear them... Thats the point of an alt. The point of a main is to do everything first... Thats why they call it a "Main Character" Sorry to all of you that say im whining about it or "Crying" But i found a middle ground area for ALL and based my opinion upon it with good intention of maybe getting a Few people to read it.
If you or anyone else you know "Likes" doing the daily's then do them! this is the pure and greatest feature of this solution You dont have to do Either or, Its just a helpful way of gearing your toons. Sorry if you might think that thats "Not doing work" But i have 3 toons max lvl and almost all of them max rep with everything and geared passed 485. Sorry if i feel like i want to play more toons and Gear them without a must to do daily's... And honestly what is an alt?= Something to get gear and just play around on. And honestly the current system is "If you want to be current on raids and most of the progression of guilds YOU MUST do daily's for the coins for extra rolls and gear. And no matter how many times any of you say "You dont need to do daily's" Just get a grip and realize the only way to stay raiding and the only way to keep current with a toon that you want to raid with is to do the daily's for the GRIND of coins.
My solution gives CHOICE not a "Must do"
People just don't get it, I had 2 characters at Exalted with GL before they introduced the Commendation. Like fuck am I going back and doing dailies yet again on any other alts that I level up(of which I'll have 7 90's soon, waiting for AV holiday to finish up my DK and Druid). If I could use a tabard, especially considering I've done the grind pre-nerf twice, I would. People dislike choice, it seems. Yes the Tabard "Go kill stuff and get epics" was a bad design, but what you suggested was entirely logical and fair; It is intended for ALTS. Mains still have to do the grind, and even then it's nerfed because you can get the commendation at Revered on your main.
Uh, what factions were those?
edit: and how is doing dailies more "earning it" than dungeons?
I'd say yes to this idea, but also put in a cap of reputation you can get, either through dailies or dungeon grinding, per day. I know the concern is they don't want "double dipping" (getting JPs, chances of gear upgrades while getting rep) in heroics, but people who grind rep through heroics are losing out on the coins of fortunes, so it kinda works out.
Last edited by jaykaywhy; 2012-12-25 at 04:11 AM.
Can they allow tabard rep gain with normal monsters? Even if its a low amount? I really don't want to do so much dungeons, esp. for a grinding.
Everything should just be monthly, since we pay a monthly sub.
Monthlies instead of dailies, monthly raid reset, monthly conquest point caps, etc etc
Large raids can be designed around this and the grind (which Blizzard is hell-bent on based WoW on to justify a sub fee) will be a bit more tolerable and possibly even fun.
Remove half the dailies and double the rep from the remaining ones. They went way overboard with the number of golden lotus dailies you need to get exalted, that is the only faction I think they REALLY messed up with on the dailies. Shado-pan are a pain in the ass but at least you don't have to do nearly as many of them.
For people who dislike dailies being the only source of rep for many factions I refer you to 5.2 PTR notes http://us.battle.net//wow/en/blog/8226552 scroll down a little to "Buy The Farm".
This would be a fantastic tool for alts.
And to the guy talking in massive fonts and all caps - saying "PERIOD" doesn't make your opinion correct.
Last edited by Duskmourne; 2012-12-25 at 09:29 AM.
they already said they hated the dungeon tabard grind so it prolly wont come back
What he said was that the overall time it takes to hit exalted (i.e. the number of days it would take) would be the same. As an example, half the number of dailies for the faction you can do each day, but double the rep they give. This halves the time it would take out of each day but keeps the number of days to hit exalted the same.