1. #1061
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    That's because in almost all cases those "stories" are in fact bullshit.
    I'm pretty sure I know which incident you're talking about and he was freed.
    Heh, I know another incident here in Russia. Where not child, but some psychologist, later found to be local BDSM club regular cried "he must've fucked his daughter because when she draws cats, she draws long black tails and that's phallic symbol, and that means she was on father's dick" (no, I'm not pulling this from my ass). Guy's still in prison despite her wife's and daughter's constant pleads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugarlily View Post
    Back on topic; if you have an apt or way to offer her help plz do so. Ask around, ask your parents if they have a spare room they're willing to offer for a while to help her & her brother...anything but this current situation. This poor girl, my heart is breaking for her! I know you feel that this is wrong as well. You do deep down find this whole set of circumstances she is in & trying to deal with awful, I know you do.
    "Give slu woman everything for free! Anything else is rape!"

    WTF is with that entitlement? Nobody owes this girl nothing. Nobody forces her to anything either. This is a simple and honest offer - money for sex. Girls routinely "sell" themselves for presents every day and night. How's that different?

    If she doesn't want - she can just say no to keep things EXACTLY how they were. And don't say this "she was raped/coerced" bullshit. What kind of fucked up dirty mind you have to see rape and coercion everywhere? Original post says nothing about that.

    And of course, if it was male tenant with female renter nobody would even say one word. And yes, I personally know of such cases. But Internet white knights only look for damsels to champion for.
    Last edited by rowaasr13; 2012-12-28 at 12:48 AM.

  2. #1062
    Solid argument.
    Why don't you want to answer this question? You've called her a bitch several times now as I recall. You say "bitch" is a synonym for woman. Do you use it commonly as such in your day to day life?

  3. #1063
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why don't you want to answer this question? You've called her a bitch several times now as I recall. You say "bitch" is a synonym for woman. Do you use it commonly as such in your day to day life?
    You must be a lawyer. You're good at avoiding the actual topic and asking unrelated questions.

  4. #1064
    Quote Originally Posted by Neazy View Post
    You must be a lawyer. You're good at avoiding the actual topic and asking unrelated questions.
    Actually I think this is very much on topic, could you answer the question?

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  6. #1066
    Well then its not very fair to accuse me of being evasive.

  7. #1067
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm saying her position was pretty clearly between "pay rent you can't pay or sleep with me". And that she has ample reason to assume implied coercion.

    Never said that.
    God damnit Wells. How can giving a third option be coercion? The fact that she took the third option over the other two tells us that she actually thinks the third option is her best option. She's actually benefitting from this supposed "coersion". Good thing bleeding hearts like you are immediately up in arms to try and put her out on the street!

    By this logic, almost everything is coersion. "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer. I guess you think prostitution has to be coercion as well. People are "coerced" into selling their bodies to sustain themselves.

    Fucking mother nature coercing everyone to do stuff to stay alive! OCCUPY MOTHER NATURE!

  8. #1068
    I'm pretty sure is this is prosecutable...

  9. #1069
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Well then its not very fair to accuse me of being evasive.
    Make a thread about calling women bitches and maybe you'll see me in there. This one's about a prostitute.

    Quote Originally Posted by kage
    I'm pretty sure is this is prosecutable...
    For both parties. Because it's not forced, she would get charged as well.

  10. #1070
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer.
    Check out modern slavery actually, it works that way.

  11. #1071
    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    God damnit Wells. How can giving a third option be coercion? The fact that she took the third option over the other two tells us that she actually thinks the third option is her best option. She's actually benefitting from this supposed "coersion". Good thing bleeding hearts like you are immediately up in arms to try and put her out on the street!

    By this logic, almost everything is coersion. "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer. I guess you think prostitution has to be coercion as well. People are "coerced" into selling their bodies to sustain themselves.

    Fucking mother nature coercing everyone to do stuff to stay alive! OCCUPY MOTHER NATURE!
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    Make a thread about calling women bitches and maybe you'll see me in there. This one's about a prostitute.
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.

  12. #1072
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    Definition of prostitute:

    Noun
    A person, typically a woman, who engages in sex for payment.
    Verb
    Offer (someone, typically a woman) for sex for payment: "she never prostituted herself".
    There's nothing in there about clients. If you perform sex acts for payment, you are a prostitute. Unless there's a camera around. Then it's just porn.

  13. #1073
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    Nobody said she was going to be evicted if she didn't accept the deal.She could have said no and lived there while paying the full rent...
    Your definition of prostitute is unique.She's taking money for sex.No more is needed.

  14. #1074
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.
    Again, so you wish that he just evicted her instead?

    Look, the guy is an asshole, I'm not defending him. But she's not a victim either. She has the option to either move someplace cheaper or get more income. She chose a modified version of option number two. She's reducing her expenses by using the third option.

    But again, seeing how you think employees are victims of the employers, I think this conversation with you will bear no fruit.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    She may have another title, but she's doing what prostitutes do: exchange sex work for payment.
    Last edited by mmoc43ae88f2b9; 2012-12-28 at 12:38 AM.

  15. #1075
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So you just go around calling women bitches?
    Do you usually go around comparing prostitution with armed robbery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    HAHA.

    Wow. I need to use that for a signature.

  16. #1076
    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Nobody said she was going to be evicted if she didn't accept the deal.She could have said no and lived there while paying the full rent...
    Your definition of prostitute is unique.She's taking money for sex.No more is needed.
    What happens to people who can't pay their rent? Or do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?
    Again, so you wish that he just evicted her instead?
    That's neither here nor there.
    Look, the guy is an asshole, I'm not defending him. But she's not a victim either. She has the option to either move someplace cheaper or get more income. She chose a modified version of option number two. She's reducing her expenses by using the third option.
    Some day you're going to realize the real world isn't one of your text books. Assuming she has any savings, which is unlikely, they're hardly going to be enough to move if she can't even make rent or is struggling to do so. First and last month for a new place. Plus she has a young child's welfare to consider which makes a lot of low income housing unfeasible.
    Do you usually go around comparing prostitution with armed robbery?
    Only when people are having as hard a time understanding implied coercion as you are.

  17. #1077
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    She clearly is having a hard time making rent.
    Facts not in evidence. She does not have enough disposable income to attend university at McGill is the only evidence as to her financial state. I don't think I need to tell you that there is a pretty significant difference between not being able to attend university, and struggle to make rent. She was pretty clearly able to pay the full rent long enough for the landlord to become interested in her and the landlord's brother to get to know her and her brother fairly well.

  18. #1078
    Quote Originally Posted by DisposableHero View Post
    Facts not in evidence. She does not have enough disposable income to attend university at McGill is the only evidence as to her financial state. I don't think I need to tell you that there is a pretty significant difference between not being able to attend university, and struggle to make rent. She was pretty clearly able to pay the full rent long enough for the landlord to become interested in her and the landlord's brother to get to know her and her brother fairly well.
    Do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?

  19. #1079
    Your brother is fucked up in the head. Tell him to get some help.

  20. #1080
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilu View Post
    Uuuh.. okay. Can't argue with people if we're not operating on the same moral standards.
    Even if you oppose prostitution it's still not necessarily something you'd want to have legislature against. You might simply recognize that it will happen regardless of legality and that being illegal means that those who participate will have nowhere to go if some sicko decides to beat them up, and that's only one of the problems.

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