From the bill itself. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
Have fun reading it. It's over 150 pages long. . .
From the bill itself. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
Have fun reading it. It's over 150 pages long. . .
No, I wouldn't call you an idiot for addressing your points by references. I would again call you an idiot for question my links because you don't like the source's political idealogy...as if somehow that lessons the facts.
I did care that spending exploded under Bush. Yeah I shrugged it off at the time. My side, yay..all that crap. I admit it. We should of suspended the tax cuts when it came clear we would be bogged down in a long occupation in Iraq.
Would, shoulda. I associate myself with the Republican party for it's conservative principles. And I learned not all those elected officials follow those principles.
Ok I was going to say I think we are talking about two different bills, and we were.
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And what 'conservative principles' are currently being followed by the GOP, in your opinion? I mean besides hating gays and increasing the size of the government, what else are they doing that is conservative?
Calling someone an idiot because they don't take a right wing op ed as a serious citation is in pretty poor form.
Yes, nice graph, someone who thinks their counterpart doesn't have 2 cents worth brain would of course buy into the Obama created all that mess..
But many people have those 2 cents brain, and not only know that this graph reflects the exaggerated spending on 2 wars, which by today are still not over, after 10 or 11 years respectively. And it was already said times and again since 2006 and on, that the war spending will come and bite the country in the ass a few years down the road.. We are those few years down now.
Only thing is, that right wing nuts believe they can put that blame now easily on the current President. Maybe they think people forgetting easy.
Yet, the same people that blame Obama's Admin are the ones extremely vocal on how they want more spending on the military.
I suggest, if anyione really wants to blame someone, then go to the bottom of everything. Get a total bill of what either war costs to the people.
A thorough total amount for Iraq, and one for Afghanistan.
It's really that simple. The more you borrow, the more you owe, the more and the longer you owe, the more you have to pay back. At some point the interest eats you up alive.
The countries debt/spending was already through the roof with the first war on Iraq. See the graph, how it exploded there. And how Reagan had to eat the results of it.
Clinton brought it down a notch, but it was nowhere near to afford but another war again. But who cares, we even started 2 wars.
And if anyone doubts that it has anything to do with military spendings.... Well, look at Roosevelt/Truman and when the debt exploded to it's all time high.
Yes, ignore the numbers posted. Ignore them. They just made them up.
Jesus Christ.
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The GOP is hardly unified. If you're talking about the GOP establishment, they're a bit weak in the knees and more likely to test the air.
That's why the country struggles:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dot...-unsustainable
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...00-and-rising/
http://news.yahoo.com/something-wron...183400589.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/...llars-per-day/
Those articles don't pull their info out of their asses. They are based on information published by the Pentagon.
Odd, because that is literally the GOP and conservatives only strength. Unity. Walking in lock-step. It isn't a coincidence that Conservatives score much higher on in group loyalty than Liberals.
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I didn't say your post was wrong, I agree that quoting right-wing op-eds that don't actually quote the bill isn't a reliable citation. I was just saying that Linkedblade wasn't trying to prove or even discuss the Sandy Relief bill, but rather was staying on topic, unlike the rest of us wackos.
It still baffles me that people really believed we were going over this so-called "cliff".
When has there EVER been a deal done weeks before a deadline? Both sides knew there was a deadline... so both sides just held out as long as possible in hopes of getting as much as possible until the last minute (this time, LITERALLY the last minute!)... but the end result would be passed in the deadline time.
Don't believe me? Well... stay tuned for the Media coverage of the "Debt ceiling" being raised.... will the government agree to a debt ceiling hike? Or will a deal not be brokered and the government get shut down!!!!
...(((Spoiler from the future!))) they'll just keep rejecting bills back n' forth to keep getting more for what they want until the last day, then it will pass.
It never changes... seriously, wake up and see how the damn game is played and stop believing in the damn media hype to keep you glued to reading their articles for fear of your lives... or worse, your wallets! >_<
BOEHNER has practically committed (What should, hopefully be) political suicide.
He shunned the Republican Party by not allowing the Sandy Relief bill to come to a vote the other day. He not only spurned REPUBLICAN Congressmen and Senators from states hard-hit by Sandy, but found himself on the wrong end of Republican star-child, Chris Christie's wrath after walking off the floor rather than bringing Sandy Relief to a vote.
Even his own home-state district has to be rethinking their approval of a man who finds it preferable to allow disaster-stricken citizens to sit in outside -5 degree weather than even vote on a proposal to make that not happen.
Last edited by Laize; 2013-01-03 at 11:07 AM.