Ghostcrawler Said a Thing...

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

No they didn't. Stop making things up.

The big irony is I was a major person saying it'd be the last week of August to beat GW2 or at the latest before September 11th to ensure they beat GW2.

They launched it nearly a month after GW2.

[Exroyal]

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
If you have more recent data, you're welcome to show it, but for the time being, the best figure we have is 250K.

Wow, i kinda expected more from a game which provides such quality.

[Deleted]

5.1 was ALWAYS planned to be the Landfall. We knew it since Blizzcon 2011.

This thread becomes the example of people misreading things, making them facts and then cry over them.

[Nerraw]

Just wait until GC's latest tweet ends up on the frontpage. I foresee people ripping into that one.

[Pann]

The big irony is I was a major person saying it'd be the last week of August to beat GW2 or at the latest before September 11th to ensure they beat GW2.

They launched it nearly a month after GW2.

The announcement of MOPs release and the subsequent hype that followed was most certainly designed to take the wind out of GW2's sails.

Wow, i kinda expected more from a game which provides such quality.

The data for Rift at MMOData.net has an accuracy rating of C which means that the figures are an estimate rather than actual numbers, as Trion do not release their sub numbers it is impossible to know for sure exactly how many players they have.

[Gurbz]

Just wait until GC's latest tweet ends up on the frontpage. I foresee people ripping into that one.

I also liked this one, along the same vein.

My job isn't to represent my constituents. My job is to make a good game.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...77691005194241

[Nerraw]

I also liked this one, along the same vein.

My job isn't to represent my constituents. My job is to make a good game.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...77691005194241

Hah! Massive win also.

[Mad_Murdock]

Did you see how he reacted when he got blamed for killing off the Age of Empires franchize? He said that the community doesnt know what it wants and should be ignored. He showed his true colors.

But he is correct. Take a poll on how many people want Flying mounts removed, now poll how many want them to stay. Who wins ? You could remove them and nothing would change or you could lose 1/3 of your subs, even if the polls showed 75% wanted them removed.

I follow several different class forums, EVERY class claims they are free kills in PVP. EVERY class claims Blizzard nerfs them more than anyone else! So who's right and who's wrong ? You think you can tell the Shamans\Pallys\Rogues that they aren't that bad and just need to learn to play and they won't turn on you in a heartbeat?

You have one group that claims Dailies are mandatory, another group that says they are not. One group claims LFR is mandatory one says they are not. One group says item upgrades are neat, another group says they are Blizzard way of "FORCING" people to do dailies.

So someone tell me, Does the player base know what they really want ? Have any one of you looked at some feature and thought it was awesome and later said, I was wrong, it stinks ? Have you ever read about a feature and said "That's retarded! stupid Blizzard!" and then later say "You know, it's actually a lot better than I thought it would be"

Blizzard tries...sometimes they get a home run, some times they pull their backs out swinging and missing so hard. But at least in most of those cases, they do go back and try and make it better and not just say "deal with it or quit!"

[Aquamonkey]

I think MMO-C needs to add a new forum section just for discussing the things GC says.

[Duster505]

The big irony is I was a major person saying it'd be the last week of August to beat GW2 or at the latest before September 11th to ensure they beat GW2.

They launched it nearly a month after GW2.

WOW Patch 5.04 launched on August 28th... 3 days after GW2. http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_5.0.4

Why was it marked 5.0 if it was not Myst of Pandaria?

[Firebert]

Why was it marked 5.0 if it was not Myst of Pandaria?

It was the pre-expansion patch that gave everyone a chance to use the new talents/glyphs/etc. before they had to level to 90 and then PvP with them.

[Duster505]

But he is correct. Take a poll on how many people want Flying mounts removed, now poll how many want them to stay. Who wins ? You could remove them and nothing would change or you could lose 1/3 of your subs, even if the polls showed 75% wanted them removed.

I follow several different class forums, EVERY class claims they are free kills in PVP. EVERY class claims Blizzard nerfs them more than anyone else! So who's right and who's wrong ? You think you can tell the Shamans\Pallys\Rogues that they aren't that bad and just need to learn to play and they won't turn on you in a heartbeat?

You have one group that claims Dailies are mandatory, another group that says they are not. One group claims LFR is mandatory one says they are not. One group says item upgrades are neat, another group says they are Blizzard way of "FORCING" people to do dailies.

So someone tell me, Does the player base know what they really want ? Have any one of you looked at some feature and thought it was awesome and later said, I was wrong, it stinks ? Have you ever read about a feature and said "That's retarded! stupid Blizzard!" and then later say "You know, it's actually a lot better than I thought it would be"

Blizzard tries...sometimes they get a home run, some times they pull their backs out swinging and missing so hard. But at least in most of those cases, they do go back and try and make it better and not just say "deal with it or quit!"

Both dailies and LFR are mandatory considering the current low crop of bossible items at start of an expansion. Specially for those that dont play hardcore and are grinding stuff and crafting and buying gear. Blizzard designed the system to be part of the gear grind. They can say its possible to do normals in blue heroic gear. But many of the ppl in first week had over 480 through other means.

[Deathgoose]

...and it was a SLAP IN DA FACE!!!

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Wait, that's what this thread is about, right? Instant and immediate knee jerk reactions with no basis in context or reality?

[Deleted]

Its quite obvious he isn't being truthful here. I won't try to debate if 5.1 was supposed to launch as 5.0 or not, but they definitely launched mope on that specific date for a reason.

What is so hard about typing MoP like any other user. You typed mope and that by experience tends to attract some negativity to the threads.
I see you are a SWtoR fan and probably you wouldnt like to participate on a discusion if every started to call it TORTANIC.

So if you want to at least be taken seriously type it as it should be typed.

[Duster505]

It was the pre-expansion patch that gave everyone a chance to use the new talents/glyphs/etc. before they had to level to 90 and then PvP with them.

It was still “Mists of Pandaria Systems Patch”. Blizzard was pretty unclear on few things that were in that patch including if pet battles would be in. Maybe for a reason ? Few more extra ppl subbing to see new stuff?

[PBitt]

5.1 was ALWAYS planned to be the Landfall. We knew it since Blizzcon 2011.

This thread becomes the example of people misreading things, making them facts and then cry over them.

Yep, agreed. I don't agree with everything Blizzard does, but if I like to hate the game *that* much I'll just stop playing and maybe I'll leave some contstructive feeback if I feel like it, none of this whiny bullshit over a fucking game of all things....I wouldn't whine that much if someone cut off my arm with hacksaw. People that complain about silly shit like I see in the Blizzard tweets all the time that are over the age of 15 really need to get a grip on reality.

[Granyala]

There are more players in WOW than you. And there are also more classes than priests. I dont really consider a 2 way normal trinity class that just needs one set of gear to be a multi - role. The best possible multi-role class for Blizzard right now is tank/healer. Forcing so many to go DPS with dailes and Brawlers guild makes that combo very weak at this point. But its too late to change it now.

And you still totally fail to reply to the real question here:

Game state A: Respec costs 50G, you have to walk to your teacher and learn the spells anew. You have to farm two completely different sets of gear. You have to redo your action bars every time. As a tank/heal your dps was miniscule, because you didn't scale with your gear which had no damage stats. For self healing you needed special trinkets.

Game state B: Swapping between two chosen gear sets is free and action bars are saved. Gear has damage stats, esp. true for healers. Hell healers even have skills that help them do damage. Tank damage was boosted significantly so that questing as a tank is now a viable option on top of that, a tank has the option to AoE pull as much as he wants, due to good selfhealing abilities he won't die to anything.

How is a game in state B more hostile towards multi roles than a game in state A?

Right: it isn't. You are only butthurt and whining because of the brawlers guild thingy, which currently only works for DPS. The "dailies" and "gear upgrades" argument is only used in a painfully obvious attempt to mask the issue. Thinking that upgrading your second spec gear is being mandatory is quite funny, considered how little "player power" it actually provides (weapon excluded), the fact that you're whining about brawlers guild leads me to the assumption that you are not even in proximity of playing on a level where such things even make a difference.

Sorry for the off topic answer, but Duster505 is just way to hilarious to ignore.

[Deleted]

Companies thrive on competition, Fact. Stop making it sound worse than it actually is.

[Pull My Finger]

Nope - some are worse than others. But the game mechanics are still built on the core of getting ppl hooked. You think ppl are playing MMOs because they have best gameplay? Nope -they offer two things that ppl are after. 1) socialising - WOW has moved from this more and more and made guilds less important than ever. 2) setting goals - this is the part where most ppl will stick. Be that gear, achivements, mounts or whatever. And at some point ppl will not quit just because they have spent so much time on it anyway.

Speak for yourself. What the hell does "best gameplay" mean? I think people are playing MMOs because they like it. You're trying to prove how people are playing MMOs because it makes them addicted, which is simply ridiculous. Again, it may be true for yourself. You're trying to make it look like it's the case with everybody who plays WoW.

What's wrong about providing long-term motivation? I thought that was one of the positive aspect of a good game. MMOs are naturally long-term-orientated. They're good at that. What's supposed to be wrong about that? Of course I like collecting gear, mounts etc. It's fun. I like the continuity of it. I don't do it because I have some retarded feeling that I have to. And I wouldn't do it if the actual gameplay in WoW wasn't that much of a blast as it is.

You're not only labelling developers as ruthless manipulators, but also players as mindless sheep devoid of reason. You would do good to reconsider your overall paranoid mindset.

[Pann]

Speak for yourself. What the hell does "best gameplay" mean? I think people are playing MMOs because they like it. You're trying to prove how people are playing MMOs because it makes them addicted, which is simply ridiculous. Again, it may be true for yourself. You're trying to make it look like it's the case with everybody who plays WoW.

What's wrong about providing long-term motivation? I thought that was one of the positive aspect of a good game. MMOs are naturally long-term-orientated. They're good at that. What's supposed to be wrong about that? Of course I like collecting gear, mounts etc. It's fun. I like the continuity of it. I don't do it because I have some retarded feeling that I have to. And I wouldn't do it if the actual gameplay in WoW wasn't that much of a blast as it is.

You're not only labelling developers as ruthless manipulators, but also players as mindless sheep devoid of reason. You would do good to reconsider your overall paranoid mindset.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

MMOs survive on getting their players to do the same thing over and over again and WOW is an absolute master at it. In a single player game would you repeat the same action day after day in order to attain a single item?