Patriotism and the Nation-State

[Cybran]

They're valid if the government chooses to recognize them.

I don't agree with you. There will be a referendum this month, if we should build a second Nuclear power plant. I will go vote, because it is very an important thing. (The EU made us close most of the blocs of our first power plant, which was lame and cost us money.)

[Killingifrit]

In legislative elections you don't vote for people, you vote for the party. Those who are to become MPs are chosen by the party before the elections. Generaly these are reputable, competent and well educated people from the upper-middle class.

actually you can vote for a person, I suppose it doesnt work that way in your country.

[Deleted]

actually you can vote for a person, I suppose it doesnt work that way in your country.

You're informed enough about the guy to vote for him instead of his party ? Damn. Not to mention the fact that the way he's going to vote is actually going to be dictated by his party.

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I don't agree with you. There will be a referendum this month, if we should build a second Nuclear power plant. I will go vote, because it is very an important thing. (The EU made us close most of the blocs of our first power plant, which was lame and cost us money.)

Do you have more detaisl ? I'd like to know about that.

[Killingifrit]

Why don't you make up your mind too?

oh please. lacking comprehension are we? the first quotation is regarding a national parliament, the second is concerning the european parliament. they are not the same.

obviosuly the european parliament didnt exist before it was created.

[Deleted]

actually you can vote for a person, I suppose it doesnt work that way in your country.

You mean throwing your vote away by voting for an independent?

[Cybran]

Do you have more detaisl ? I'd like to know about that.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf87.html

The EU made us close most blocs to join. We were forced to keep exporting cheap electricity for our neighbours from other sources which cost us a lot.

[Deleted]

oh please. lacking comprehension are we? the first quotation is regarding a national parliament, the second is concerning the european parliament. they are not the same.

The British Parliament could have as much power as the bundestag if the brits were willing to make themselves as much an indispensible part of the EU as the germans. In the meantime, your parliament can just refuse the EU's recommendations and we end up only having 26 countries in the compromise.

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http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf87.html

The EU made us close most blocs to join. We were forced to keep exporting cheap electricity for our neighbours from other sources which cost us a lot.

Get lobbying I guess. If the IAEA says your reactors are a-okay, I don't see why the EU would say no.

[Killingifrit]

You're informed enough about the guy to vote for him instead of his party ? Damn.

even if you are voting for a candidate you are still voting for his party.

[smelltheglove]

I don't agree with you. There will be a referendum this month, if we should build a second Nuclear power plant. I will go vote, because it is very an important thing. (The EU made us close most of the blocs of our first power plant, which was lame and cost us money.)

i think there are a very select few things that referendums are ideal for. overall they are a terrible system of governance imo

[Elegiac]

The British Parliament could have as much power as the bundestag if the brits were willing to make themselves as much an indispensible part of the EU as the germans. In the meantime, your parliament can just refuse the EU's recommendations and we end up only having 26 countries in the compromise.

Oh my god, a sensible post about the UK's relations with the EU. /le gasp

[Roose]

This is the problem. More black-and-white thinking.

All out nationalism is bad. Your country is not infallible.

All out opposition of the state is also foolish. Everything is not fucked.

Just more polarizing nonsense.

[Deleted]

oh please. lacking comprehension are we? the first quotation is regarding a national parliament, the second is concerning the european parliament. they are not the same.

obviosuly the european parliament didnt exist before it was created.

You claimed that the members who compose the EU parliament (the same ones who accept/reject the comission's proposals) were powerless and then you claim the EU is overpowered. How can it be powerful when decision makers are, according to you, powerless.

[Eats Compost]

I'm no American, but equating liberalism to "hating America" makes this just a little bit of a loaded question.

Typical Swazi thread, I guess. 10 bucks says he has a second account that he uses to post in these threads and still be taken seriously.

[Killingifrit]

You don't seem to grasp my point. The text is there, read it as many times as it takes you to understand it.

it is a critical decision since you have to be an mp to become a prime minister. it wouldnt be in the nation´s interest to have a mp who doesnt serve in the nation´s best interest and then become the prime minister who in turn "elect" ministers who doesnt serve in the nation´s best interest.

[Cybran]

Get lobbying I guess. If the IAEA says your reactors are a-okay, I don't see why the EU would say no.

It's too late now. Our politicians lack any backbone to stand up to the EU dictarors anyway.

[Deleted]

It's too late now. Our politicians lack any backbone to stand up to the EU dictarors anyway.

Pretty sure that they have other things to worry about. If the reactors are up to international standards and your government wants to, there isn't much that the EU can do. Apparently the latter is more of a problem than the former.

[Adam Jensen]

I don't think patriotism is a bad thing, I think if you believe in your country and are proud of it, there's no shame in expressing your pride. But I do feel like there is a fine line between being proud of your own country, and a misplaced sense of superiority to others, myself, I try to be proud of my country, but at the same time I know that we are not perfect, and there is always room to improve, we should always be willing to find places to improve ourselves and move on as a nation, and sometimes that means identifying things about ourselves we don't like to admit.

But that's ok, every country has its strengths and weaknesses, we should celebrate the good and do away with the bad where possible

Oh I think patriotism is a good thing, but I don't think people who scream "America is #1!!!!" are true patriots. The real patriots are the ones who are willing to look at the nation's faults and try to fix them.

I also don't believe its possible to say the US is the best country in the world if you haven't lived in several of the other first world nations for long enough to get to know them.

And just happening to be born in a nation, to me anyways, doesn't mean I should have pride in that nation. I'll have pride in a nation if it merits that pride from it's actions.

[Decagon]

Wait...so if I don't believe patriotism to be a good thing or necessarily agree with everything my nation does, I automatically oppose it? I feel as though the poll options are quite biased.

[vindicatorx]

There is a large difference in being Patriotic and blindly following a government. I think highly of my country yet I do not agree with how it is ran a lot of the time. One must recognize the good and the bad not just always look for one or the other.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm proud of America and it's ideals and the ones I follow. But I feel some things are sensationalized and not everything is doom and gloom. I do feel the whole defining yourself by political field you put yourself in...is just really dumb. It's really tiring, conservative, Liberal IDC. Now I know a republican who's..a bit..not on my fond side but I'm not going to foam at the mouth and go

"YOU DIRTY REPUBLICANS RAWR YA'LL SUCK" or vice versa.

I'm pretty well mannered, just don't go conspiricy theory on me or doom and gloom and we'll get along. I also like cookies.