Absolutely not. If you don't want to fly, don't mount! Simple as that. That anyone might even think this might appeal to the majority of the player base baffles me.
Absolutely not. If you don't want to fly, don't mount! Simple as that. That anyone might even think this might appeal to the majority of the player base baffles me.
Sorry but this is semantics, sightseeing is a type of exploration, when i went to sight see in akihabara i decided not to use the subway and instead try to make it from daimon to akihabara, i ended up by the imperial palace before i broke down and took the sub way since i was sore from walking all morning.
When i found those serect areas i went out and sought out more, i found the rare chimera in feralas and i remember how awesome it was to take my time to fly and explore.
The treasure hunting you seem to have in kind is archeology, which we have and i am one of the few who enjoys it. Flying enchance your playing, if you dont feel it add more options for fun enchancement then seek other ways to have fun without taking the option away from others. Now i feel more of the outland anti air things should be added back along with more rares like the dragon in vale, the sky is the limit and there is a lot of room for things to fly.
Last edited by Stasso; 2013-01-06 at 12:26 AM.
A petition by a class capable of stealth... no thanks, had enough of that back in the day when 60 was the max.
This thread is terrible, full of argumentum ad populam and stawmanning of those who don't consent as people who hate the playing in a vibrant game world.
The game is better without them, but they could not remove them now.
Looks like you're out of luck though doesn't it buddy! Blizzard are in fact developing for their audience and aren't going to remove a feature 75% of their audience love no matter how much you swear at them.
Though with persuasive skills like that, who could think why?
If flying mounts were that bad people would not use them and the truth is they are very nice to have(FP's that wander all over the country is what should be removed or at least be made point to point). If you want to see your surroundings use a ground mount or walk. I bet your using a flying mount at this moment even.
Would I want to run around over the whole of Azeroth? No...
Would I not want to help my guildie that need help with a rare in the middle of no where? Well of course I want to help, without a flying mount tho, it would take a freaking long time to do so.
Would I really want to see WoW go back to Vanilla? No thanks, I was there, I saw when they added flight points into small towns in the Barrens and other places, it was amazing to see that it wouldn't take me 10 mins to walk to my quest anymore, then 10 mins to walk back again lol! Getting rid of flying mounts would be the same, imagine having to try and do the Pandarian Dailies on a ground mount, people complain already on how time consuming they are lol!
yep sure do, and nothing about the way i explore the world has changed with flying mounts, other than the fact that i can actually explore more of the world
no i never leveled an alliance toon from 1-60 but unless things have changed you dont get a flying mount until level 60? so low level players are still experiencing whatever rivers you seem to think are important
i dont think the trees in WoW are really that great looking, mountains look alright but considering i have to fly over them i still get to see them. nothing has changed
when im hovering over an area im generally not looking at anything in game as im alt tabbed, if i want to fly and hover idly and look at something in game ill fly and hover close enough so that the graphics aren't fuzzy looking.
i think that you have the choice to use your ground mount at any time you want. no one is saying you have to fly everywhere on your flying mount. i however can (well used to) experience all the cool looking shit in the game just as easily from my flying mount as i can from my ground mount, so no i dont think flying mounts should be removed. for me personally there was no damage done to my gameplay experience, back when i played, with the implementation of flying mounts. but to each their own
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Ever since they stopped ele shamans from thunderstorming people off thier mount, the joys of flying escape me. Long live the thunderf*ck!
1) I frequent this site a lot, it is the first tab opened when I open my browser. And I fail to see how "the most frequent complaint" is that flying ruined everything, unless you specifically were going looking for that.
2) Even if that were the case, you seem to forget the cardinal rule of Forums. People, far more often than not, only go to forums and make posts about things they dislike. The vocal minority may seem to be saying flying is bad, but the large masses of people who enjoy flying are too busy enjoying the game to spend their time making posts about how much they enjoy flying.
3) Having flying in the game does not take away from anyone at all, you are not forced to fly, it does not hurt you personally that other people can fly. So unless you are too weak willed to use ground mounts to get around simply because flying mounts are available, there is no reason for you to demand that they be removed. I fail to see how something that is a welcomed convenience for many is "ruining" the game simply because a vocal minority whose hatred for flying does not give them enough conviction to simply not use it.
Hyperbole is never a good way to get people to agree with your point. Saying something like flying (which allows you to get to the part of the world you actually want to go to without being forced to run through a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter, or being forced to pay for flight paths) is in any way similar to something like handing out a billion gold (which would not really allow people to do anything other than buy all the gold sink vendor items like mounts, crafting mats for profession mounts, vanity items, etc., and then cause the economy to collapse and rebuild around it making everything on the AH more expensive.) is nothing less than ridiculous.
I disagree. My intention is not to argue about semantics, so I did not write what I wrote with that in mind. There is a very specific reason how removing flying prompts the designers to focus more on creating an actual world, introducing concepts such as a climbing skill, enviromental dangers, local-tribe relations, swimming skill, avoiding/getting close to dangerous wildlife, thinking of ways to traverse the landscape, searching for paths, making your own paths, and so on.
The original poster has already mentioned this, but most people seem too intent on flaming him rather than reading what he wrote, because it seems being an internet wiseguy is more important than conversing politely to them. It's not a matter of fly or don't fly, it's a matter of what happening on the ground getting trivialised. It's not by accident that most great adventurous journeys in literature are about the characters walking and horse-riding across landscapes instead of flying over them. It works better for the feel of the adventure and makes the world more prevalent.
And, even by admitance of the designers of the game themselves, spreading flying all-over was like opening a can of worms. It was a very bad decision, one in a line of bad decisions. Decisions that prompted players to care less about the world of the game and more about points and instanced content. The result? WoW's image of activity is a character on a huge flying mount hovering barely above the ground in front of the auction house in a major city, even worse covering a questgiver because the player is too lazy to even think to dismount while acquiring a quest, since apparently it's a lot of trouble and not worth respecting your fellow players And now they are trying to reverse it, slowly.
As for the treasure hunting that I have in mind, I don't. My comment was that what passes for exploration in WoW right now is pathetic. Flying around or relic huntering, it's just bad. Which is unacceptable from such a high-profile game. Only the best of content should be in such a game, and WoW's explorations is a shame of a feature.
Those secret areas that you are talking about are nice. But still it was not exploration. It was taking the mount for a spin. If there were some actual obstacles to the ride around then it would be exploration. Which is why I think that some zones designed for flying should exist in the game. But just some zones.
Are you mad ? yes once upon a time exploring zones was a delight, the first time. After that it's the same old.
Take for example a natural wonder in the real world, the tourists flock there and are in awe. The locals do not care much, but are grateful it is there. So that they can benefit from the tourism.
Even with flying mounts available, you CAN go by foot/ ground mount. So why don't you ? oh that's right, because it is inconvenient, slow and inefficient.
I like flying, near the end of dreadwastes hoofing it every where was starting to wear on me, then i got flying and it was awesome again i do think flying makes the world seem smaller, its also convenient and im still finding cool hidden stuff, like walrus and carpenter npcs.
The time has come to talk of many things...
If you yourself are against flying mounts, dont fucking use them. What the fuck is the problem with people who want to restrict/legalize/etc everyone else? fuuccccccccck,
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I still go somewhere and marvel at nothing in particular. Hell, I go marvel ON MY FLYING MOUNT.
You not looking at this game in awe is YOUR problem, not the game's.
To the people who want flying mounts gone, please, just shut the hell up and use ground mounts instead of complaining and insisting that flying mounts "ruin the experience".