Calling it now. 2016 is...... (usa presidential election)

[ringpriest]

No chance.

The Democrats could well put Hillary up there, but the GOP would never put Palin in front of a camera on official business ever again.

I see 2016 for the Republicans involving Marco Rubio, Luis Fortuño, Rand Paul, and Allen West. I strongly doubt any of them could defeat Clinton, though. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised to see the USA become more or less a de facto one party state in the not too distant future. The younger generation that will be old enough to vote by 2016 is so overwhelmingly supportive of the left, as are the new waves of immigrants who are also starting to vote along with those legalized by Obama's immigration reform, that elections will be little more than formalities in the future with the Democrats locking in a majority that will probably never again be challenged by 2024.

Nah, sooner or later the Republicans are going to veer back to the middle, unless they want to suffer the fate of the Whigs. It's just a question of how many elections they're going to lose before they figure it out. Hypothetically, a Republican candidate in 2012 could run on civil rights, ending military interventionism (just like W did, lol), and prosecuting too-big-to jail executives; all while still remaining true to the purported Republican party ethos. And while I suspect the chance of any such Republican candidate is very, very low, I do think it would be a pretty popular platform.

[obdigore]

Nah, sooner or later the Republicans are going to veer back to the middle, unless they want to suffer the fate of the Whigs. It's just a question of how many elections they're going to lose before they figure it out. Hypothetically, a Republican candidate in 2012 could run on civil rights, ending military interventionism (just like W did, lol), and prosecuting too-big-to jail executives; all while still remaining true to the purported Republican party ethos. And while I suspect the chance of any such Republican candidate is very, very low, I do think it would be a pretty popular platform.

The GOP, or the party of 'small government' is currently the one trying to force social restrictions upon everyone that isn't a white Christian male, and if you look at their Administrations starting with Reagan and moving forward, they have been the fiscally irresponsible party as well.

The GOP has literally nothing to offer a majority of the country, unless you are a white Christian that feels that the government should regulate morality for everyone else, or are a multi-millionaire who wants to pay less taxes and at the expense of the country as a whole.

[Trakanonn]

pretty much zero chance of that happening

Hillary has less than 5% chance of running, and Sarah has less than 0.1% chance of winning primary, let alone running.

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Nah, sooner or later the Republicans are going to veer back to the middle, unless they want to suffer the fate of the Whigs. It's just a question of how many elections they're going to lose before they figure it out. Hypothetically, a Republican candidate in 2012 could run on civil rights, ending military interventionism (just like W did, lol), and prosecuting too-big-to jail executives; all while still remaining true to the purported Republican party ethos. And while I suspect the chance of any such Republican candidate is very, very low, I do think it would be a pretty popular platform.

WTF is the "middle" now adays and how do you define civil rights? They ALL run on civil rights. Too-big-to jail executives isn't a partisan issue whatsoever. Military interventionism? Lmao, not a partisan issue whatsoever between Dems/Reps, Libertarians yes.

It's damn hard to beat an incumbent, so you shouldn't act like Republicans are declining. More people are leaving the Democratic party than any party. I swear to God every 8 years the 'other' party is declining and in turmoil. Things evolve.

[Payday]

Hillary has less than 5% chance of running

Curious where you got this idea

[Skippy88]

Personally I think Hillary will have too many medical issues to run for president. And Palin would have no choice of winning so I doubt she will make it through the primaries.

[Kalyyn]

No chance.

The Democrats could well put Hillary up there, but the GOP would never put Palin in front of a camera on official business ever again.

I see 2016 for the Republicans involving Marco Rubio, Luis Fortuño, Rand Paul, and Allen West. I strongly doubt any of them could defeat Clinton, though. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised to see the USA become more or less a de facto one party state in the not too distant future. The younger generation that will be old enough to vote by 2016 is so overwhelmingly supportive of the left, as are the new waves of immigrants who are also starting to vote along with those legalized by Obama's immigration reform, that elections will be little more than formalities in the future with the Democrats locking in a majority that will probably never again be challenged by 2024.

Let us hope this does not come to reality. Regardless of your feelings about the Democratic party, you do not want to see them running the country unopposed. The most virtuous and benevolent political party turns corrupt and oppressive when it has nobody to keep it in check.

Let this be a warning to all of you: Even if you hate the Republican party with your very soul, you need them to exist. You may think that a country run exclusively by democrats would be great. But you'll never see it, because once it happens, it won't be the same Democrats anymore. It will be the Democrats you know now, warped and corrupted by the knowledge that they can do anything they want, and nobody can stop them. No man on Earth can stay honest in that position.

[Grizzly Willy]

No, I really just want both parties dead and buried. Don't see the need for them when they're as shitty as they are now.

[chadwix]

Michelle obama will be the candidate, the people who vote obama wont even know it isnt him.

[oblivionx]

If I have to guess, and it's certainly guessing...


Andrew Cuomo versus Jeb Bush.

Cuomo is ruthless, he has a massive political machine behind him... he will say anything, he's a natural liar... probably as good as Bill Clinton.

Jeb's advantage is he's smart, he has a large politcal family/machine behind him... and he speaks fluent spanish and is married to a latina.

[Kalyyn]

No, I really just want both parties dead and buried. Don't see the need for them when they're as shitty as they are now.

Well one benefit of the two-party system is that it makes everyone more moderate. A good example of what happens when you have too many parties is India, which is basically in a state of high-functioning anarchy.
Here's a scientific study about it.
http://kellogg.nd.edu/publications/w...rs/WPS/144.pdf

Or, if (like literally every normal human being) you find scientific papers boring, here it is in a cracked article!
http://www.cracked.com/article_20134...y-believe.html
It's #6 on the list.

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If I have to guess, and it's certainly guessing...


Andrew Cuomo versus Jeb Bush.

Cuomo is ruthless, he has a massive political machine behind him... he will say anything, he's a natural liar... probably as good as Bill Clinton.

Jeb's advantage is he's smart, he has a large politcal family/machine behind him... and he speaks fluent spanish and is married to a latina.

Another thing Jeb has going for him is that by 2016, most of the extreme negative emotions about the Bush name will have dissipated from the general public. When people go to the polls, they'll see "Cuomo" and, like almost every candidate, realize that they've never heard of this guy before today. Then they'll see "Bush" on the other side, and say "hey, I think I've heard of this guy before..."
People like familiarity. That's one reason it's so damn hard to beat an incumbent. Now, if they went with Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, she'd have an even greater advantage there. Because not only do most people know the name Clinton, they also know who Hillary is.

[Grizzly Willy]

If I have to guess, and it's certainly guessing...


Andrew Cuomo versus Jeb Bush.

Cuomo is ruthless, he has a massive political machine behind him... he will say anything, he's a natural liar... probably as good as Bill Clinton.

Jeb's advantage is he's smart, he has a large politcal family/machine behind him... and he speaks fluent spanish and is married to a latina.

So, evil Democrat versus Republican saint?

Well one benefit of the two-party system is that it makes everyone more moderate. A good example of what happens when you have too many parties is India, which is basically in a state of high-functioning anarchy.
Here's a scientific study about it.
http://kellogg.nd.edu/publications/w...rs/WPS/144.pdf

Or, if (like literally every normal human being) you find scientific papers boring, here it is in a cracked article!
http://www.cracked.com/article_20134...y-believe.html
It's #6 on the list.

Didn't mean to imply I want the party system to be done away with. I just want these two abominations out of this country.

[oblivionx]

So, evil Democrat versus Republican saint?

If it's Hillar(it)y it's the same pretty much.

The only real knock on Cuomo is his evil is so apparent. It might not test well. Hillary had a big reinvention period to make her look like someone competent.

[Grizzly Willy]

Eh, I just don't see Hillary running.

[oblivionx]

Eh, I just don't see Hillary running.

I can see them trying to prop up Elizabeth Warren. They featured her at the DNC after all. But she's really such a vapid moron.

With Hillar(it)y out, I see Cuomo though. That's if he can stop snarling at people and yelling all the time and somehow learn to fake some tears..

[Daelak]

I can see them trying to prop up Elizabeth Warren. They featured her at the DNC after all. But she's really such a vapid moron.

With Hillar(it)y out, I see Cuomo though. That's if he can stop snarling at people and yelling all the time and somehow learn to fake some tears..

Can't wait to hear what presidential candidate you want to run.

[Titan2k10]

Such is the downside when you have a system that votes for the man, not his party and policies.

Tell that to the African Americans in Atlanta......

[Daelak]

Tell that to the African Americans in Atlanta......

Tell that to the rural whites in West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky......

[Deleted]

Tell that to the rural whites in West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky......

Tell that to your penguin overlords in Antarctica......

[Daelak]

Tell that to your penguin overlords in Antarctica......

Tell that to your Peruvian Torch Cacti harvesters in Southwestern New Mexico...

[Kalyyn]

Tell that to your Peruvian Torch Cacti harvesters in Southwestern New Mexico...

Tell that to your one true master in R'lyeh.