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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Okay then, citation needed for that first. I happen to know for a fact that MMO's are very expensive investments, so I'd like to see the reports you're reading on their distribution of finances just so I can see where you're coming from with this argument and try to understand your position. Also, I don't recall Blizzard claiming to struggle finding developers. I actually find it hard to imagine that they don't have a hard drive full of resumés that just keeps filling as time goes on given that the job of game dev is a pretty competitive position.
    It's all in their financial statements, Product development 2011: 646 million, 2010: 635 million, 2009: 627 million, Subscription, licensing, and other revenues 2011: 1,498 million, 2010: 1,360 million 2009: 1,199 million, note that I seen these numbers for WoW specifically in other reports than the one I'm looking at now (could be in this as well I'm not making a huge effort here) and it's not much difference when removing licensing and other revenue.

    As for the difficulties finding devs it's been stated by blue posters in responds to throwing more developers at the problem on multiple occasions, Blizzard claims it's hard to find the right skill sets in a person that fits their corporate culture, something that to be blunt is horse shit as they had almost a decade to deal with that issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    For your second point: No, we wouldn't. If WoW's dev team had not had the deep resources it had thanks to the early popularity and skyrocketing subscriptions it would absolutely have changed what WoW was today. WoW is an absolutely massive and content-rich game, a lot of which wouldn't have happened without the subs bankrolling it. Now, if you want to argue that it would have been a better game then I can not say you're wrong because that's based on a wholly subjective opinion. (I'd still disagree, however.)
    Yet we didn't have the Blizzard store until, what was it, late Wrath or early Cata and still got the same level of development, so yes, we would have got the same game as it is still so profitable that they couldn't afford to scale down on development.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    And as for your casual dismissal of the "but they are a business" arguments...they aren't wrong. You will not find a single MMO out there whose developers aren't looking for more methods to monetize whatever they can get away with. The latest trend is, of course, "Free to play" with microtransactions aplenty, but lately those microtransactions have been set up to be more and more--well, not necessary, but at least strongly recommended. Take the recent uproar over the SWTOR F2P model, for example, where they initially wanted people to pay to unlock an extra action bar...
    They obviously can and will try to do this, that's not really my issue, that the customer falls in to the trap and the dangerous road it leads down is my concern, especially when it's defended with "But it's just..." and "But they are a business".

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Okay, and now that you've said you haven't "payed" [sic] for years now, I understand a little more why you honestly don't get why I don't feel the development time they spent on a single mount is significant compared to what they've put into the base game subscription. If you haven't played, and you're getting all of your information solely from these forums and news posts, then you honestly have an uninformed opinion. Noted! I'll stop paying attention to it, then.
    Never said I didn't play, I said I didn't pay, I played the free week here and there to see how the game changed, I also have several friends that still play and keep me reasonably up to date, surely enough to have an opinion on the business praxis and it's effects on WoW and gaming as a whole.
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  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Shmiles View Post
    I think I post this most times a new mount comes out. Are you seriously complaining about a business making a profit from something that is incredibly successful? Do you complain when you pay too much for drinks on a night out, for cigarettes, for dinner at a restaurant?

    Horrible analogy that doesn't work, and do you know why? I'm not paying $25 extra for ice, when I already paid for my beverage.

    To clarify though so it just doesn't seem like I'm laughing at you and that alone, I'm not complaining at all. I don't care what some guy with disposable income, or some idiot with no grasp on his money, spends $25 on. I'm just musing on the fact a subscription MMO can run a cash shop with ludicrous prices, and the majority doesn't feel that such a thing is a little bit over the top for a game that already takes your $15 a month, and $25+ if you so choose to take a transfer/race change/etc.

    So again. Not complaining, just saying that this is extraordinarily greedy. Is it right or wrong? That is for the individual to judge, but it is greedy. Doesn't change how such avarice is a smart business maneuver.
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  3. #263
    "You thought the Celestial Steed was bad... BEHOLD!!!!!!!"

    I actually don't mind the Sparkle Pony, we were simply blinded by the sparkles. This on the other hand...

  4. #264
    I hate it every time a subscription based game puts a new mount or pet in its cash shop. I hate it so much.

  5. #265
    Wait so that is a Qilin, but the new hunter pets are Quilen? LOL wut?

  6. #266
    I have the mount and I like it. Funny how people shoot Blizzard down for reusing mount skins, as soon as they dare to do something different (this mount and the dinosaurs) they get even more QQ. Buy it, don;t buy it, just shut up nobody wants your hate fueled opinion

  7. #267
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    It is silly to take a position of superiority for not being a "sucker" and buying this. It's a product. You want it or you don't. Your position on the matter is not a reflection of your intelligence or your value as a human being.

    From my own personal perspective though, this is one ugly mount!

  8. #268
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    I find astonishing that so many people manage to get upset about this kind of thing.

    It makes me lose all faith in humankind.

  9. #269
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    Is this Rudolph on Crack!?! I like it, only to point and laugh at people who buy this. At least with Celestial Steed, the blizz store made it look so much more cooler than what it actually was lol. This though, hides NOTHING LOL

  10. #270
    people actually pay 20 Euros for this, they say the detail is awesome...

    my favorite detail is when its running and the front leg pixels go through the front chest shield thingy majigy, i love that detail

  11. #271
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcellos View Post
    OMG so ugly, please someone kill it with fire!
    LOL! for what its worth, a truly fug mount... first one available from the blizz store i can honestly say i have no intention of ever buying (and ive bought all the other ones).

  12. #272
    This mount is breathtakingly ugly, so I had to buy it

  13. #273
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    Wow this thing is hideous.

  14. #274
    I will continue to /lol at the ones dumb enough to buy it. And to those saying it's not paying for an advantage, you might want to check if there are any achievements or rewards for mount collecting. They should not allow these pay mounts to be counted. I wonder how long it will take for them to realize they can start charging extra for things like hiding your helmet. Swtor charges you so why not. The fanboys would come in here and defend it like always. So pathetic.

  15. #275
    I know the old saying is "Don't count other people's money" but what justifies a $25 price tag when there are hundreds of non-monetized mounts in the game?

  16. #276

    circular armor.

    Edit: Plus Spikes ! can't forge those spikes.

    on a mount.

  17. #277
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    I think the details are nice, the model itself is nice... but it's kinda ugly, and I don't see myself riding around on it. Will pass on this mount, even if I did have the money for it.

  18. #278
    Like many others it seems, I too am annoyed at having to pay real money for items when I already pay sub, especially for the price Blizzard changes! 20 Euro for a mount, 25 euro for a faction change, etc. I understand that Free to Play games need to do this stuff to make money, but for WoW we pay a subscription and all the mounts, pets etc should just be available in game I think.

    From Blizzard's perspective though, they just want more and more money, thats all they care about, so they will just milk this cashcow as long as people keep paying for these things. Thats the way the world is nowdays, most companies would screw you for every penny you have if they could, welcome to the money obsessed world.

  19. #279
    To anyone complaining about having to pay for this mount: Is it vital to have this mount in order to play the game?
    Moderator of Heroes of the Storm, come say hi!

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    To anyone complaining about having to pay for this mount: Is it vital to have this mount in order to play the game?
    If one of their major enjoyments in game is mount collecting and not raiding then I'd say yes, who are you to decide what's important to other players and in extension to that who needs to pay extra for what they enjoy?

    If this instead had been an optional raid I'm quite sure we wouldn't have this argument.
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