Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life (Piers Morgan-Alex Jones interview)

[Chrysia]

Ideally yes, this is correct. But then we have these things called country borders with their own governments and rules regarding their citizens. Then we have this thing called war that happens when we try to tell other countries how to treat their citizens, and while it's a somewhat noble cause to fight for freedom, it's not really an ideal philosophy to live by if others aren't willing to fight for their own freedom.

Where do you draw the line between 'our people have X rights' and 'all people have X rights?'

As long as they are within our borders, where we can defend them, they have our rights. Simple.

[N-7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZn-Pq38B_Y

Want to know why? Because it doesn't sell. People hate to be pictured as "bad" or to be living in a "bad" country.

[bellabulldog]

Want to know why? Because it doesn't sell. People hate to be pictured as "bad" or to be living in a "bad" country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZn-Pq38B_Y

The youtube video was one of the best I've seen. For all of you in favor of stricter gun control, go ahead and trust our government. I know the path it's taking, why don't you open your eyes and see too. I'm not prepared to be stripped of my rights, my freedom, and liberty without a fight. Our government is following the tidal pull of tyranny. Slow and relentless.

[Zhangfei]

But then you have the question of what happens when your people have a major disagreement with their government's actions. How do you go about convincing your government that YOU as a people know what's best? Better yet, how do you protect yourself against an invasion from another country if that happens? You've already given up your right to protect yourself against armed criminals (yes, they do exist, regardless of the rules against gun ownership), so it's kind of lulz. If any of the above situations happened, you would be sheeple, incapable of doing anything about it.

Kind of sad.

When has that ever meaningfully happened? It seems to be countries WITH weapons tend to elect in dictators and cause problems because of their violent mindset, not the other way around. If the citizenry aren't armed (and that includes the police,) what power does the government have over the people to such a drastic scale that the people would allow it?

[aztr0]

Alex Jones is the kind of people I don't want a gun in their hands...

[bellabulldog]

Alex Jones is the kind of people I don't want a gun in their hands...

You're obviously a proponent of this then.

[Crissi]

You're obviously a proponent of this then.

Nah, its just any perosn thats willing to go full throttle angry like that could easily pull out a gun and shoot someone without thinking first. Anger tends to block out reason for the most part.

[Deleted]

Holy cow I hope the average american isnt like him jeez.
was soo funny when he started to a british accent though xDD

[N-7]

Holy cow I hope the average american isnt like him jeez.
was soo funny when he started to a british accent though xDD

The average American is nothing like him trust me or most of the world wouldn't be alive really.

[Speaknoevil]

Civilians do not need assault rifles.

[Netherspark]

But then you have the question of what happens when your people have a major disagreement with their government's actions. How do you go about convincing your government that YOU as a people know what's best? Better yet, how do you protect yourself against an invasion from another country if that happens? You've already given up your right to protect yourself against armed criminals (yes, they do exist, regardless of the rules against gun ownership), so it's kind of lulz. If any of the above situations happened, you would be sheeple, incapable of doing anything about it.

Kind of sad.

Why are american people convinced that they're going to be invaded, or their government is going to enslave them? That's what's sad.. The entire gun culture in america seems to be built on paranoia and the wicked sense that having a gun makes you stronger.

And what do you mean by having a "major disgreement" and "convincing your government"? Are you saying that if you disagree with your government the solution is to shoot them or threaten them?

Pure and simple, the British people don't need guns. We don't want guns. We aren't paranoid about being invaded by some random country and we aren't concerned about the "establishment" taking over our lives... The reason gun crime in the UK is so low compared to america isn't just due to laws - it's because of the difference in attitudes.


And if someone were that paranoid it's quite easy to apply for a shotgun or general firearm license in the UK.

[Ausr]

Civilians do not need assault rifles.

...but if I can't hit the deer with truly the one and only bullet I need, how else will I get him?!

[Raidenx]

Want to know why? Because it doesn't sell. People hate to be pictured as "bad" or to be living in a "bad" country.

[Deleted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZn-Pq38B_Y

The youtube video was one of the best I've seen. For all of you in favor of stricter gun control, go ahead and trust our government. I know the path it's taking, why don't you open your eyes and see too. I'm not prepared to be stripped of my rights, my freedom, and liberty without a fight. Our government is following the tidal pull of tyranny. Slow and relentless.

You know Bush, a republican started with the drones right? Now you have Obama, a democrat using them. If you dont like the current government because of wars and drones and what not then you should not like the previous government and probably not the next one either. Maybe you should move to sweden or something but then again they are a socialist country and someone like you who come from a republican family probably wont like that country because they take your "freedom" away (LOL).

[Thimagryn]

But then you have the question of what happens when your people have a major disagreement with their government's actions. How do you go about convincing your government that YOU as a people know what's best? Better yet, how do you protect yourself against an invasion from another country if that happens?

So automatics and semi automatics will make the government agree with you? I don't know how things play out in your head, but I seriously hope it never becomes a reality. Taking up arms against a Government in this day and age will make you a terrorist, and if you think a show of force is the way to make the Government do anything, then you're simply delusional. If the government *really* wanted to wage war against the civilian population, your semi automatics and skill with firearms will do nothing against tanks or carpet bombing.

As for protection from invasion... Who's going to *invade* your country? If any country is going to start a war with the US it will be Nuclear war, case closed. This isn't the 1800's any more where all battles were fought on land, on foot.

[bellabulldog]

You know Bush, a republican started with the drones right? Now you have Obama, a democrat using them. If you dont like the current government because of wars and drones and what not then you should not like the previous government and probably not the next one either. Maybe you should move to sweden or something but then again they are a socialist country and someone like you who come from a republican family probably wont like that country because they take your "freedom" away (LOL).

I posted this earlier.

If you believe that restricting firearms with normal capacity magazines, not reduced capacity and limiting their availability will affect any sort of change in America you are WRONG.

It is despicable that you liberals and Europeans call for greater regulation because you would rather not be responsible for your own safety. You've been conditioned to be dependent, that accepting social programs rather than hard work is morally sound. You've been conditioned to believe you are entitled, that you are somehow 'above average' and that if you 'believe in yourself enough' nothing is impossible, which is far from reality for most. You don't believe in keeping score at children's sporting events because 'everyone is a winner.' You've been conditioned to believe that inanimate objects are things to be feared. You've been conditioned to believe that atrocity on a mass scale could not possibly happen again in a first world nation. You CELEBRATE MEDIOCRITY. You believe your government is your friend and can be trusted with your safety as well as your money.

You believe that gun control works despite every statistic coming out of Alex Jones mouth is FACT.

You believe that saving 10 or 100 is better than saving millions. Oh you liberals forget your history so quickly.

You believe that guns don't save peoples lives every day without anyone dying.

There are more good people in this world than bad, and the more firearms in the hands of the good people will prevent atrocity large and small and collectively make everyone safer and more free.

Nothing anyone can say will sway my belief that firearms are tools of freedom when used by good people and tools of oppression in the hands of the evil.

The United States Constitution is shackles upon a beast. Every freedom we relinquish weakens the bonds. The 2nd Amendment is the single most important element of the Constitution. However it is forgotten easily because it is one that is rarely needed.


To answer your question I am a Ron Paul Libertarian.

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So automatics and semi automatics will make the government agree with you? I don't know how things play out in your head, but I seriously hope it never becomes a reality. Taking up arms against a Government in this day and age will make you a terrorist, and if you think a show of force is the way to make the Government do anything, then you're simply delusional. If the government *really* wanted to wage war against the civilian population, your semi automatics and skill with firearms will do nothing against tanks or carpet bombing.

As for protection from invasion... Who's going to *invade* your country? If any country is going to start a war with the US it will be Nuclear war, case closed. This isn't the 1800's any more where all battles were fought on land, on foot.

Tell the Afghans that. They would beg to differ.

[Deleted]

There are more good people in this world than bad, and the more firearms in the hands of the good people will prevent atrocity large and small and collectively make everyone safer and more free.

Im going to share a secret with you. The reason why communism does not work is because we are all bad people, we are all selfish people and only 1% of any population would be the prime candidate citizen for a communitic society.

[bellabulldog]

Im going to share a secret with you. The reason why communism does not work is because we are all bad people, we are all selfish people and only 1% of any population would be the prime candidate citizen for a communitic society.

I'm going to share a little secret with you. Tangential commentary has no bearing on this discussion.

[Callax]

The second amendment just seems so outdated to me in modern day terms. So having a semi-automatic rifle protects your from your government? A government that has tanks, predator drones, and nuclear weapons? It wouldn't matter if me and everybody in my neighborhood had a M16, just one drone or tank could just rip us to shreds. These weapons have no place in the modern day civilian life, and really the only thing that will happen with them is more and more innocent people will be gunned down in mass shootings.

Oh, just so you know I own a 9mm. I can't go on a shooting spree on the scale of Aurora or Newtown with that, and it still provides protection.

[bellabulldog]

The second amendment just seems so outdated to me in modern day terms. So having a semi-automatic rifle protects your from your government? A government that has tanks, predator drones, and nuclear weapons? It wouldn't matter if me and everybody in my neighborhood had a M16, just one drone or tank could just rip us to shreds. These weapons have no place in the modern day civilian life, and really the only thing that will happen with them is more and more innocent people will be gunned down in mass shootings.

Oh, just so you know I own a 9mm. I can't go on a shooting spree on the scale of Aurora or Newtown with that, and it still provides protection.

Afghans would disagree with you about that. Furthermore a government wouldn't use nuclear weapons on their own people or that regime would have no hope over ever governing their citizens and a government can't exist without subjects/citizens. A atom bomb dropped by their own government on a civilian population would steel the will of the people so they would be ungovernable.

Regarding shooting sprees, look at what a skilled handgun shooter can do....

In case you don't know what that is, that drill is called an El Presidente. There are 3 USPSA silhouette targets spaced 3 feet apart from each other. 30 feet away from the shooter. On the buzzer you turn, draw, engage each target with two shots, reload and then engage the targets again with two shots. 12 shots total with a reload. This guy does everything in 3.02 seconds.

Tell me again how that pistol couldn't accomplish Newton or Aurora.

Not a single normal capacity mag *read hi cap magazine* involved.