Cyberpunk 2077

[Corvus]

I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that this was a shooter. it was never advertised as one. It is an RPG with shooter elements. One of those who got their hands on it early said he went six HOURS without getting into a fight at one stage. He also said that if he had wanted he could have gone and found one, so it wasn't due to a lack of options.

And Mass Effect, at least Mass Effect 1 wasn't a shooter either. It was an RPG with shooter elements. 2 & 3 catered more to the shooter crowd.

The reviewers were given two month old code and told that there were bugs, as was to be expected. For them to turn around and say that there are bugs is a bit odd, to say the least. They did get Day Zero patch, but that was only recent. But then again most game journos nowdays aren't really gamers any more - I'll wait until actually gamers get their hands on it and wait to see what they say. A lot of those glitches and bugs will hopefully be fixed with the Day One Patch.

A lot of them also seem to have rushed the main plotline and ignored much else of what is going on, missing a lot of the side quests that actually tie into the main quest, not to mention all the other stuff that can be done. Kind of a rookie mistake that one.

And there seems to be a complaint by some that it isn't 'woke' enough, as it doesn't have enough pronouns, and other such matters. Mike Pondsmith was heavily involved in this, as it was his IP, and if anyone knows anything about him, it isn't that he isn't woke enough. The IP is very, very political in nature.

You also have to factor in that it is a Polish company, based in Poland, run by Poles. Poland is a very conservative Catholic nation, with a language that is extremely gendered, which means there is a lot of inertia to overcome. Is it perfect? No, but given what is available in game they have done an amazing job of it. Writing about foreign cultures and trying to understand it can be hard - you just have to look at the debacle Disney made with the Mulan live action remake.

[Tech614]

The reviewers were given two month old code and told that there were bugs, as was to be expected.

The reviewers also got a 50 GB patch in the middle of playing it and said it did very little to clean up the bugs, so no it wasn't just the "2 month old build" excuse.

Here is one direct quote:

“It also bears a mention: Cyberpunk 2077 is phenomenally buggy. I played a pre-release build that was updated during the review period, and there's a day-one patch planned as well, but the scale of technical issues is too large to reasonably expect immediate fixes. I encountered some kind of bug on every mission I went on, from more common, funnier ones like characters randomly T-posing to several complete crashes. I didn't notice much of an improvement after the update, either. In a very late-game, very important fight, the game froze on me--twice. I ended up taking a break out of frustration before attempting, and finally succeeding, the third time”.

[beanman12345]

I feel like from what we have seen, this is the sort of game that wants to have a dramatic ending that changes everyone involved and even the world around them. I'm thinking Far Cry 5 levels of climax. I hope that isn't the case, because while I think Far Cry 5 had one of the best endings ever, I kind of want to power through the main story first in Cyberpunk.

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And, maybe this is coming from the fact that I just rewatched Ghost in the Shell, but I would bet actual money that there is an ending involving either fusing your consciousness with Silverhand or letting him take over your body permanently.

It'll be interesting to see how it's handled. I like what they Ubisoft did with Far Cry 5 with the ending, but I also like what they did with AC Valhalla ending. something tells me it'll lean more towards the latter then the former but we'll see.

[Selastan]

The reviewers are supposedly playing a version without the day one patch, so giving it some leeway is perfectly justified. Especially in case of a studio that doesn't abandon its games right after release and takes time hammering out the bugs, they should be judging the game by its core contents, not tanking the scores because of a couple of bugs that may not even be there on release.

Makes sense. I'm assuming they are playing the version intended for release on 11/19, without day 1 patch OR the delay-causing update.

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Even if it is buggy, so was Skyrim. It was buggy to hell and back, it's STILL buggy to hell and back, and I was just playing it on my switch a couple of days ago...9 years after release.

[Jastall]

Makes sense. I'm assuming they are playing the version intended for release on 11/19, without day 1 patch OR the delay-causing update.

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Even if it is buggy, so was Skyrim. It was buggy to hell and back, it's STILL buggy to hell and back, and I was just playing it on my switch a couple of days ago...9 years after release.

There's buggy and buggy. If most of these are visual glitches or small annoyances I'll survive. But progression blocking bugs or major immersion breakers like missing animations or whatever? Here's really, really hoping those are squashed pronto.

[Fencers]

People also tend to forget how inflated review scores are. A 9 from IGN is more like a 7/10 game - not bad, but not something that people were expecting given this is literally the biggest and most hyped game ever.

For a game riddled with bugs, getting 9s and 10s across the board should be a serious red flag.

For you. A review is supposed to inform you of the position of the reviewer. Not be a recommendation engine or an object grade. Bias and personal opinion are desired in a review- this is supposedly why you read them in the first place; for the writer's particular insight.

[Selastan]

There's buggy and buggy. If most of these are visual glitches or small annoyances I'll survive. But progression blocking bugs or major immersion breakers like missing animations or whatever? Here's really, really hoping those are squashed pronto.

I mean, the PS3 version of Skyrim was literally unplayable due to a bug that increased loading times the longer a save file was played. Didn't mean that I didn't find the game incredible, and it inspired me to get my first gaming PC.

[BeepBoo]

For you. A review is supposed to inform you of the position of the reviewer. Not be a recommendation engine or an object grade. Bias and personal opinion are desired in a review- this is supposedly why you read them in the first place; for the writer's particular insight.

Hell no. I read reviews to find out stuff about the game before I go drop $60 and waste tons of time/rewrites on my SSD. I read/listen/watch reviews to see if the game is utter shallow crap, if the systems are good, etc. I want reviews to be as objective as possible. Most of IGN's reviewers can fuck off. They generally suck at games, cry about things I just don't give a fuck about, etc.

I want reviews to inform my knowledge of the game so I can be more educated than just a trailer or the website.

[Airlick]

You also have to factor in that it is a Polish company, based in Poland, run by Poles. Poland is a very conservative Catholic nation

I wish people would just stop saying that, this is an '80s stereotype at best, the grand majority of young Poles (coincidentally the ones who probably make up 90% of CP's devs) are absolutely not "conservative Catholics". Nor do they have any issue understanding "foreign" Western culture, if that's what you meant in your post.

[Corvus]

I wish people would just stop saying that, this is an '80s stereotype at best, the grand majority of young Poles (coincidentally the ones who probably make up 90% of CP's devs) are absolutely not "conservative Catholics". Nor do they have any issue understanding "foreign" Western culture, if that's what you meant in your post.

Trying to overcome that much cultural inertia is not easy, especially when the ruling party is in favour of the old ways. You just have to look at the mess the US is in to see that.

[Typrax]

I'm not sure why anyone would trust a game review site these days. They're mostly filled with SJWism and complaining about things that 99% of gamers do not care about. They do this mostly to get clicks. Just try it on Steam and refund it if you don't like it.

[deenman]

Makes sense. I'm assuming they are playing the version intended for release on 11/19, without day 1 patch OR the delay-causing update.

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Even if it is buggy, so was Skyrim. It was buggy to hell and back, it's STILL buggy to hell and back, and I was just playing it on my switch a couple of days ago...9 years after release.

pls dont insult cdred by lumping them with the pure garbage that is bethesda

[Airlick]

Trying to overcome that much cultural inertia is not easy, especially when the ruling party is in favour of the old ways. You just have to look at the mess the US is in to see that.

Uh... I fail to see what exactly the ruling party (which happens to be utterly hated by most young people, along with the church) has to do with the game or the studio itself. I'm getting a feeling you're referring to CDP not giving in to SJW madness, which I really hope they didn't with CP. But then this isn't any cultural inertia that needs overcoming, it's just sanity. Feel free to correct me if this isn't what you're talking about.

[Mirishka]

I mean, the PS3 version of Skyrim was literally unplayable due to a bug that increased loading times the longer a save file was played. Didn't mean that I didn't find the game incredible, and it inspired me to get my first gaming PC.

Amen. The PS3 version of Skyrim was inexcusably broken.

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The reviewers also got a 50 GB patch in the middle of playing it and said it did very little to clean up the bugs, so no it wasn't just the "2 month old build" excuse.

Here is one direct quote:

This is correct, they have the build we're getting on release and the patch we're getting on release. Sounds like the game is still a mess despite the update and that's troubling.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Amen. The PS3 version of Skyrim was inexcusably broken.

Yeah I heard that stuff and well maybe all the extremely buggy BGS games might of been ok but I think its time we stop excusing them, that said if reviewers are getting a non Day 1 patch version of CP2077 well that skews how the game actually is.




Edit: I'm being cautious since all this talk is going on.

[beanman12345]

I'm not sure why anyone would trust a game review site these days. They're mostly filled with SJWism and complaining about things that 99% of gamers do not care about. They do this mostly to get clicks. Just try it on Steam and refund it if you don't like it.

Better yet do GoG which has an even better refund policy if you're planning on playing it on PC in 2 days. If you are playing on any console, based on the IGN review I would just wait 6 months.

[Mirishka]

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-buggy-is...k-2077-really/

Good article that kind of aggregates all the issues noted reviewers are having with the game.

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Better yet do GoG which has an even better refund policy if you're planning on playing it on PC in 2 days. If you are playing on any console, based on the IGN review I would just wait 6 months.

All reviews are based on the PC version, so we have no idea how much better or worse the console experience will be. Usually consoles are home to the more stable version of a game (universal hardware) but in this case I'm not so sure - I read that Xb1/PS4 issues were largely the cause of the most recent delay.

[beanman12345]

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-buggy-is...k-2077-really/

Good article that kind of aggregates all the issues noted reviewers are having with the game.

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All reviews are based on the PC version, so we have no idea how much better or worse the console experience will be. Usually consoles are the more stable version (since they're being made for universal hardware) but in this case I'm not so sure as I read that XsX/PS4 issues were largely the cause of the most recent delay.

yeah IGN specifically said they were extremely worried about console versions, since he was running a 3080 and he said performance was just "okay" and it's not even optimized for the next gen stuff yet.

If someone bought it already, hope for the best, but for pre-order, on console I wouldn't, just wait and see.

[KrayZ33]

Really weird considering how earlier previews told us how amazingly well the game runs when you drive around the city with maxxed out graphics.

[rhorle]

This is correct, they have the build we're getting on release and the patch we're getting on release. Sounds like the game is still a mess despite the update and that's troubling.

Is it confirmed they got the second, or "real", day 1 patch? A person that got an early copy due to retailer error had a dev response that said there are two day 1 patches https://twitter.com/fabiandoehla/sta...62994748002308