Thread: Cyberpunk 2077

  1. #3701
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Yikes.

    I hope this isn't a one time thing, and that this sends a message to AAA studios.

    You. Can. Not. Sell. Customers. Broken. Games. To. Meet. A. Deadline!

    The system is horrible. Customers and developers suffering due to the greed of executives, the out of touch market researchers and accountants, and irresponsible managers.
    It won't. I bet EA and Activision are laughing their asses off right now. This is what bothers me the most about this whole situation. If CDPR crashes and burns we'd get one less Dev that gives out tons of DLC for free, makes expansions into actual expansions that are as good as the base game. If that happens then there's no incentive for others to do. EA and Activision will remain scummy for life. Selling DLC and season passed before the game is even out.

  2. #3702
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    It won't. I bet EA and Activision are laughing their asses off right now. This is what bothers me the most about this whole situation. If CDPR crashes and burns we'd get one less Dev that gives out tons of DLC for free, makes expansions into actual expansions that are as good as the base game. If that happens then there's no incentive for others to do. EA and Activision will remain scummy for life. Selling DLC and season passed before the game is even out.
    Well neither of them have shipped a game with as much performance issues or glitches as this in a long ass time so who is really the scummy one? It's easy for CDPR to sit on their high horse with free DLC or DLC pricing while they are crunching to released a clearly undercooked game and paying their devs shitty polish salaries. CDPR is not your friend, and the joke is on the people who bought that bullshit.

  3. #3703
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    It won't. I bet EA and Activision are laughing their asses off right now. This is what bothers me the most about this whole situation. If CDPR crashes and burns we'd get one less Dev that gives out tons of DLC for free, makes expansions into actual expansions that are as good as the base game. If that happens then there's no incentive for others to do. EA and Activision will remain scummy for life. Selling DLC and season passed before the game is even out.
    They are laughing and they have the right to laugh at CDPR, wasnt CDPR saying 'we leave greed to others'? And many more tweets and messages that they are not scummy as the rest of the industry? Well here we are in December 2020 . What they pulled off on fucking last gen consoles is not possible to defend for any decent human being. Also the marketing outdone the developers, the game is nowere near what they promised, and the actual game is a far cry from the gameplay and what they told in the gameplay form 2018. Also what they pulled on GOG with that Devotion game is also another nail in the coffin. They burned every bit of trust and love they had from many many gamers. It appears that CDPR does not differ from any big fish in this industry, bubble has bursted and we should treat CDP as any other company. I dont blame them they want to make money its every company main thing to do, but don't be pretentious and ride the high horse 'we are not like that' when u are, be honest at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Well neither of them have shipped a game with as much performance issues or glitches as this in a long ass time so who is really the scummy one? It's easy for CDPR to sit on their high horse with free DLC or DLC pricing while they are crunching to released a clearly undercooked game and paying their devs shitty polish salaries. CDPR is not your friend, and the joke is on the people who bought that bullshit.
    Dunno about exact numbers on CDPR devs salaries, but one has to consider the cost of living in Poland is still lower than in the west (aside from current gov fucking ppl over with more taxation). But I heard in general game dev companies pay lower than average in the market for instance programmers etc., thats why I will never leave my business software development career despite i'd love to work on games
    Last edited by Nehezbegar; 2020-12-18 at 06:17 AM.
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  4. #3704
    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Love it. This is the biggest problem with people today. "Fuck y'all, got mine."
    Nah dude, thats irrelevant, why would I care about some old consoles performance if I intend to play it on PC?
    I dont give a flying fuck about other people opinions because I will be the one playing it and judging.

    I know its cool and shit to jump on hate bandwagon but if it work for ME and will be good experience for ME then it will be a good game.

    On the other hand Witcher 3 had so many release bugs with one of them bricking my saves then i should hate the W3 too. And quite honestly if not for people screaming how good witcher was I wouldn't probably finish it after my saves went to trash.

  5. #3705
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    It isn't about people sharing that they enjoyed the game. It's great if they enjoyed the game.

    It's about the people saying "Fuck you, you deserved to get a shitty product" to the people that bought the game for PS4/XBone.
    Didn't see that in the post the dude was quoting. He said he didn't care how the game performed for other people. Don't think people who are having issues care that others are having a great experience either, and why should they?

  6. #3706
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    Dunno about exact numbers on CDPR devs salaries, but one has to consider the cost of living in Poland is still lower than in the west (aside from current gov fucking ppl over with more taxation). But I heard in general game dev companies pay lower than average in the market for instance programmers etc., thats why I will never leave my business software development career despite i'd love to work on games
    This is true, but the problem is CDPR is making AAA profits off games but not paying their devs AAA salaries. Lets compare them to say DICE since EA was mentioned, it's easy to act like CDPR is on some high horse with free DLC but DICE is in Sweden and paying their devs 4x what CDPR is paying theirs. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart they are doing it because they are already at a far higher profit margin and can front it to look like the "good guys" unfortunately for them the mask is off though and the gaming community by and large realizes this now.

  7. #3707
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Nah dude, thats irrelevant, why would I care about some old consoles performance if I intend to play it on PC?
    I dont give a flying fuck about other people opinions because I will be the one playing it and judging.

    I know its cool and shit to jump on hate bandwagon but if it work for ME and will be good experience for ME then it will be a good game.

    On the other hand Witcher 3 had so many release bugs with one of them bricking my saves then i should hate the W3 too. And quite honestly if not for people screaming how good witcher was I wouldn't probably finish it after my saves went to trash.
    The difference is back then CDP was not as big as now, the budget of W3 was way way lower than the one of Cyberpunk, it was the first game of their to release on PS console and to be honest expectations were different, the hype was vastly lower (1.5mln preorders of W3 vs 8mln preorders of Cyberpunk), so we were able to see past through it. Right now CDP has more money, more ppl and is in general a bigger company, expectations were different. Also they all the time say 'quality first'...I personally was not as hyped, because i am realistic in life, but tbh I expected improvement over W3 and a quite leap from it, sadly didn't happen. Even If u dont encounter game breaking bugs, outside of story that game doesnt offer anything from Open World design. So if they developed it as Witcher 2, on rails RPG with 2-3 branches in story and some side jobs, game would be awesome and I think they could deliver quality product, but instead they deep dive opne world....without any proper design. So we have story, nice looking and designed city as a background for that story...done. ANd the game was advertised as open world, so ppl expected at least GTA V, not to tell RDR2. They still lack skill to jump to Rockstar open world mastery.
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  8. #3708
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    The difference is back then CDP was not as big as now, the budget of W3 was way way lower than the one of Cyberpunk, it was the first game of their to release on PS console and to be honest expectations were different, the hype was vastly lower (1.5mln preorders of W3 vs 8mln preorders of Cyberpunk), so we were able to see past through it. Right now CDP has more money, more ppl and is in general a bigger company, expectations were different. Also they all the time say 'quality first'...I personally was not as hyped, because i am realistic in life, but tbh I expected improvement over W3 and a quite leap from it, sadly didn't happen. Even If u dont encounter game breaking bugs, outside of story that game doesnt offer anything from Open World design. So if they developed it as Witcher 2, on rails RPG with 2-3 branches in story and some side jobs, game would be awesome and I think they could deliver quality product, but instead they deep dive opne world....without any proper design. So we have story, nice looking and designed city as a background for that story...done. ANd the game was advertised as open world, so ppl expected at least GTA V, not to tell RDR2. They still lack skill to jump to Rockstar open world mastery.
    I don't care about any stuff like that. I don't remember a single software in general that did not have bugs at release so I usually wait month or more before buying stuff. That also includes hardware like consoles and pc parts (never buy freshly released shit).

    RDR2 was boring AF, GTA V was mediocre so at some point I just sprinted thru main quests.

    Couldn't care less about company itself, I am only interested in product and if product meets MY needs (to be entertaining). Thats all.
    I don't read any marketing bullshit, I don't create some unrealistic expectations in my head, I don't believe in santa.

    Will I enjoy it? Then it would be great games. Simple as that.

  9. #3709
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaktar View Post
    Didn't see that in the post the dude was quoting. He said he didn't care how the game performed for other people. Don't think people who are having issues care that others are having a great experience either, and why should they?
    I was speaking more about what was being said in the Penny Arcade comic...which is essentially about the people that are saying "you deserve what you get for buying it on a last gen console"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    It isn't about people sharing that they enjoyed the game. It's great if they enjoyed the game.

    It's about the people saying "Fuck you, you deserved to get a shitty product" to the people that bought the game for PS4/XBone.
    I certainly never said that. I said that I don't care about what other experience people had. I care about my experience. I have no interest in feeding the pity party, because it's just the same arguments said over and over. We get it, some people had a bad experience. Take it up with CDPR, the rest of us have no obligation to join the rage crusade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Love it. This is the biggest problem with people today. "Fuck y'all, got mine."
    What else do you expect, exactly? I know the game had problems for some people, but that doesn't concern me. That's their issue to sort out, not mine. I had a good experience, and greatly enjoyed myself. That opinion is just as valid as someone who had a poor one. The difference is, I'm not sitting here expecting other people to agree with me and join me in the white knight crusade.

  11. #3711
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    The difference is back then CDP was not as big as now, the budget of W3 was way way lower than the one of Cyberpunk, it was the first game of their to release on PS console and to be honest expectations were different, the hype was vastly lower (1.5mln preorders of W3 vs 8mln preorders of Cyberpunk), so we were able to see past through it. Right now CDP has more money, more ppl and is in general a bigger company, expectations were different. Also they all the time say 'quality first'...I personally was not as hyped, because i am realistic in life, but tbh I expected improvement over W3 and a quite leap from it, sadly didn't happen. Even If u dont encounter game breaking bugs, outside of story that game doesnt offer anything from Open World design. So if they developed it as Witcher 2, on rails RPG with 2-3 branches in story and some side jobs, game would be awesome and I think they could deliver quality product, but instead they deep dive opne world....without any proper design. So we have story, nice looking and designed city as a background for that story...done. ANd the game was advertised as open world, so ppl expected at least GTA V, not to tell RDR2. They still lack skill to jump to Rockstar open world mastery.
    I couldn't even get past 2nd area in Witcher 3. Only around 5 hours in GTA V. Didn't even try RDR2. Not that interesting games so far. Should try them again but don't see much fun in there. I don't understand how they are that highly valued.
    Cyberpunk has got my attention for 2 weeks soon. It's much more enjoyable than those 3. CDPR did well. Enjoying my time with it more than the earlier games. It's not a 10/10 but so wasn't W3 or GTA V either.

  12. #3712
    Quote Originally Posted by kukkamies View Post
    It's not a 10/10 but so wasn't W3 or GTA V either.
    I dunno about a 10/10 but GTAV is a far better world from top to bottom. CDPR can't even get basic shit like traffic and pedestrian AI right. Literally go block rush hour traffic in GTAV, then do the same in Cyberpunk. Throw grenades in it once it's packed up and look at the hilarious difference in quality. GTAV turns into a chaotic shit show where a million different things can happen and Cyberpunk has every ped get out of their car and duck down in fear at the exact same time like they are a fucking dance crew.

    The fact you even try to compare the quality between the two is outright laughable. CDPR isn't even on Ubisoft's level for making an open world so we definitely shouldn't be comparing them to Rockstar of all people.

  13. #3713
    Quote Originally Posted by kukkamies View Post
    I couldn't even get past 2nd area in Witcher 3. Only around 5 hours in GTA V. Didn't even try RDR2. Not that interesting games so far. Should try them again but don't see much fun in there. I don't understand how they are that highly valued.
    Cyberpunk has got my attention for 2 weeks soon. It's much more enjoyable than those 3. CDPR did well. Enjoying my time with it more than the earlier games. It's not a 10/10 but so wasn't W3 or GTA V either.
    Sony refunding it, the game potentially bricks your PS, CDPR destroying their hard earned reputation...

    You: "they did well".

    Such keen sense of business ahahah

  14. #3714
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Sony refunding it, the game potentially bricks your PS, CDPR destroying their hard earned reputation...

    You: "they did well".

    Such keen sense of business ahahah
    Its a mutual agreement between CDP and PS, CDP released a statement for investors that they concluded with PS to remove game from store and do refunds.

    https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investo...rt-no-66-2020/
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  15. #3715
    Well to be fair there's no AI in the city regarding npcs and police. When it comes to the player it basically boils down to

    If shoot then crouch and scream 'he's crazy'

    If wanted then spawn endless cop function

    If player car in the road then stop.

    It's a little bit underwhelming and honestly more than detracting.

  16. #3716
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    Its a mutual agreement between CDP and PS, CDP released a statement for investors that they concluded with PS to remove game from store and do refunds.

    https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investo...rt-no-66-2020/
    The statement does not say that at all, the statement says it was a result of their talks with Sony about the refunds. CDPR did not ask them to delist the game, Sony just decided that if your game is so broken it needs to be mass refunded then they can't sell it on their store. That simple, there was no "agreement" so not sure where you read that lol.

    This statement is literally just to tell investors physical copies still exist and they will still support and patch that version. Not that they came to some agreement with Sony dude.

  17. #3717
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    Its a mutual agreement between CDP and PS, CDP released a statement for investors that they concluded with PS to remove game from store and do refunds.

    https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investo...rt-no-66-2020/
    Ah yeah well, good job CDPR!

  18. #3718
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    The statement does not say that at all, the statement says it was a result of their talks with Sony about the refunds. CDPR did not ask them to delist the game, Sony just decided that if your game is so broken it needs to be mass refunded then they can't sell it on their store. That simple, there was no "agreement" so not sure where you read that lol.
    Could be i read that wrong, but I don't think its that tragic like some paint it "Sony kicked them out"
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  19. #3719
    Quote Originally Posted by Nehezbegar View Post
    Could be i read that wrong, but I don't think its that tragic like some paint it "Sony kicked them out"
    Well actually, yes Sony did literally kick their game off of their store. The statement was acknowledging what happened to investors and letting them know physical copies are still sold and they will still patch the PS4 version of the game. They did not reach any agreement with Sony- Sony literally just said if your garbage has to be mass refunded then it also can't be sold here.

    Which is also interesting because now if they ever want the game relisted I imagine they are going to have to pass way more then a certification test(which only makes sure your game doesn't brick the console or allow backdoor hacks, has nothing to do with game quality for the ignorant masses that still think this).
    Last edited by Tech614; 2020-12-18 at 08:18 AM.

  20. #3720
    Nothing spells "great job" like having your product removed from the shelves.

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