Cyberpunk 2077

[kaminaris]

That's just victim blaming, really.

They had ample opportunity to correct the record and state that certain features were not going to show up in the finished product. They also had an obligation, as an entity working with other businesses, to not lie about the ability for the game to run smoothly on base consoles.

Sony pulling a game - and a major release, at that - is exceptionally rare. So this isn't a case of consumers overreacting. It's a full on scandal.

Like every other company out there promising stuff and not delivering. At this point it is just naive to believe in marketing.
How many games were suppose to revolutionize industry or innovate shit and then turned out to be empty promises or crap?

You should never believe in any company promises and only judge stuff once its out.

[rrayy]

Only because of the bullshit toxic reception people are giving. I don't get why people are so mad. 'It's buggy on the oldest of consoles, so obviously CDPR needs to be dragged in the street and lynched'. They are patching it, there was another 17 gig patch I'm downloading right now. People needed to chill the fuck out and enjoy the game. If I can play it despite the bugs AND enjoy it, despite getting the worst of the worst of it, it isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.

I remember being pissed as hell about the Shadowlands launch, but general consensus is that it was a smooth launch. Tons of people on this forum, one of the biggest group of WoW critics there are, defended Blizzard, saying 'just wait, it's your fault for playing on high pop server'. Well, where are these people now? Jesus fucking Christ, I can't stand it when something that should be considered a masterpiece gets fucking destroyed on all the forums and triggers a refund and public apologies just because PR lied about how well it ran on old consoles and everyone else gets a couple small bugs and dropped frames.

I'm not saying they didn't fuck up, but man, they didn't fuck up THAT hard. If this masterpiece of a game is only known for it's shitty launch as the years go by, I'm going to be very disappointed. It's like Mass Effect: Andromeda all over again, an entire series gets canned because a few loud people didn't like the facial animations.

Sony and Microsoft pulled the game. That is bad no matter how many excuses you make or how much BS you write. Stop making excuses for it. It's embarrassing.

[Justitiaxx]

Only because of the bullshit toxic reception people are giving. I don't get why people are so mad. 'It's buggy on the oldest of consoles, so obviously CDPR needs to be dragged in the street and lynched'. They are patching it, there was another 17 gig patch I'm downloading right now. People needed to chill the fuck out and enjoy the game. If I can play it despite the bugs AND enjoy it, despite getting the worst of the worst of it, it isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.

I remember being pissed as hell about the Shadowlands launch, but general consensus is that it was a smooth launch. Tons of people on this forum, one of the biggest group of WoW critics there are, defended Blizzard, saying 'just wait, it's your fault for playing on high pop server'. Well, where are these people now? Jesus fucking Christ, I can't stand it when something that should be considered a masterpiece gets fucking destroyed on all the forums and triggers a refund and public apologies just because PR lied about how well it ran on old consoles and everyone else gets a couple small bugs and dropped frames.

I'm not saying they didn't fuck up, but man, they didn't fuck up THAT hard. If this masterpiece of a game is only known for it's shitty launch as the years go by, I'm going to be very disappointed. It's like Mass Effect: Andromeda all over again, an entire series gets canned because a few loud people didn't like the facial animations.

The game got pulled by Sony. That is a pretty big decision, the second biggest was refunds. Hence what people are saying is justified, it's a rushed game.

[Selastan]

We were promised! I wonder why prople still believe in santa, we were promised areal combat and dance studio in wotlk.
Just as if years of experience never taught you anything.

I was going to mention the dance studio myself. Cut content is a thing, I don't know why it's such an issue here. It's not like they pulled a Fable or No Man's Sky, far from it.

Even if it was true, is bitching about scrapped features and a buggy launch to the extent that Sony and Microsoft pull the game really justified? I mean, if you ignore the bugs the game is still better than the Witcher 3, and CDPR's dick is STILL wet from all the gamer saliva that Witcher 3 earned them. Does it really matter, does it REALLY FUCKING MATTER if the marketing was shit if the game is good? Like @kaminaris said, marketing always over hypes games, and it's not like they sold a bad one here, even in the worst case scenario the game is still fun. They over hyped, sure, but it's not like they had fucking Peter Molyneux doing the marketing. We've seen far worse marketing have much less fallout.

All this, this whole thing, it sucks. It's pointless entitled toxicity and trolling. CDPR's stock already took a hit. You can bet the higher ups are pissed, even if they admitted it was their fault. All this rage and angry circlejerking is only going to hurt the chances of CDPR making more Cyberpunk content in the future. You guys got your fucking refunds, you won. You can shut up now. What more do you want them to do?

- - - Updated - - -

The game got pulled by Sony. That is a pretty big decision, the second biggest was refunds. Hence what people are saying is justified, it's a rushed game.

It isn't. I've played it. On PS4, the worst of the worst. For every lie and exaggeration that CDPR made, toxic gamers made 100 more. The hate is more over hyped than the game itself.

[Cringefest]

Okay, as far as I know the only lie was 'it runs great on base PS4 and XBox One'. What features didn't make it in?

- - - Updated - - -

And 'it runs great' is subjective. I know it's pretty bad on PS4 but I'm still able to enjoy it, that could still be a definition of 'it runs great'.

Are you serious? All that stuff about customisation, choices that make a difference in the story, a living city. None of that happened. Check the reviews. Some of them explain it well. Even in here a few posts ago. For some the bugs are not the man issue. It's the lack of depth in a game that was promised depth.

Nothing wrong in a nice linear game, but this ain't one. There's so many little fuck ups.

- - - Updated - - -

We were promised! I wonder why prople still believe in santa, we were promised areal combat and dance studio in wotlk.
Just as if years of experience never taught you anything.

So let me get this straight.
A company acts the bollox, and you blame consumers?

- - - Updated - - -

I was going to mention the dance studio myself. Cut content is a thing, I don't know why it's such an issue here. It's not like they pulled a Fable or No Man's Sky, far from it.

Even if it was true, is bitching about scrapped features and a buggy launch to the extent that Sony and Microsoft pull the game really justified? I mean, if you ignore the bugs the game is still better than the Witcher 3, and CDPR's dick is STILL wet from all the gamer saliva that Witcher 3 earned them. Does it really matter, does it REALLY FUCKING MATTER if the marketing was shit if the game is good? Like @kaminaris said, marketing always over hypes games, and it's not like they sold a bad one here, even in the worst case scenario the game is still fun. They over hyped, sure, but it's not like they had fucking Peter Molyneux doing the marketing. We've seen far worse marketing have much less fallout.

All this, this whole thing, it sucks. It's pointless entitled toxicity and trolling. CDPR's stock already took a hit. You can bet the higher ups are pissed, even if they admitted it was their fault. All this rage and angry circlejerking is only going to hurt the chances of CDPR making more Cyberpunk content in the future. You guys got your fucking refunds, you won. You can shut up now. What more do you want them to do?

- - - Updated - - -



It isn't. I've played it. On PS4, the worst of the worst. For every lie and exaggeration that CDPR made, toxic gamers made 100 more. The hate is more over hyped than the game itself.

Yes Skinner. Everyone is wrong and you're right

[D3athsting]

Safe to say this is the first big misstep from cdpr? The hype for this game was so uber-mega huge that this fail doesn't really come as a surprise to me

[Kotuthan]

Got my refund. Going to buy Horizon Zero Dawn for my PS4 instead.

[madmossy]

Wow, did you really call people that may have epilepsy idiots? Most video games and tv programs do not cause epileptic seizures anyway, but flat out calling people that have this disorder idiots is uncalled for. You don't see people here on the forums calling you an idiot for your poor use of grammar and punctuation. Get over yourself.

I don't believe anyone afflicted with it was even asking for the warning label anyway.

You literally reading between the lines and making up your own interpretation of something.

The idiots I refer too are those that need warning labels on everything rather than use their own common sense. People like you pretty much.

[Cringefest]

You literally reading between the lines and making up your own interpretation of something.

The idiots I refer too are those that need warning labels on everything rather than use their own common sense. People like you pretty much.

Here's a shovel to dig your hole deeper.

[bluesock]

My dude still thinks CDPR still has the same stock value as it did in late spring and summer when their stock is literally tanked. You're hilarious.

Even more hilarious that you think CDPR is worth anywhere near the amount Bethesda was literally sold for. CDPR literally has 3 dev studios, GOG and 5 games. That's it. They don't even own the IPs their games are based in and instead licensed them. CDPR wouldn't be sold for anywhere near what Bethesda was not even in the summer, let alone now with their stock literally in the shitter. Bethesda not only owns far more dev studios, they own IPs like TES, Fallout, Doom and Wolfenstein. Yes, actually own the IPs not just licensed games from them.

Ah right. So now you're just talking out of your arse.

I'll take that as your concession.

[Nehezbegar]

I'm really torn a this point. I don't ever pre-order, but with the reputation of CDPR I felt safe enough to take a gamble on my first ever collector's edition since I was already a big fan of the Cyberpunk tabletop. I still don't even have my copy, so I'm left at a crossroads where part of me wants my goddamn money back while the other part of me has some (perhaps naive) hope that the game is actually good and I just need to play it first. The bugs don't bother me overmuch since they can be fixed, but the amount of people who have called the game shallow is really worrying. All I really expected was Cyberpunk Fallout 4, but from the looks of things (and the relatively short game times) it feels like it's watered down and weak even compared to that. Low weapon diversity, poor customization, no barbershop or transmog system, life paths affect little, most of the Cyberwear is purely stat based, the game itself is only 60 or so hours long with side campaign stuff included, ect. Jank I can handle, but at least Fallout 4 has room for more than one play-through with a fair amount of unique POIs worth investigating, even if it didn't live up to FNV.

In the end the CE statue and content looks cool, but at this rate it feels more like a monument to a failed dream. I don't know if CDPR can pull a No Man's Sky or not, particularly with the game getting pulled on consoles. Been thinking about it for a few days and I'm still just not sure what to do. Head says refund, heart says that in 10 years I'll be pretty happy to have the figure in my collection.

I would roll with it. I have CE, the figurine and the goodies are worth imo. And keep the game eventually it will be good, we can say CDP did a big fuckup for the whole week with stupid asf decisions, but they tend to fix the shit they broke .

[AidanJLowe]

Well, here's one summary I could find for now. I've seen a number of posts along these lines, but this is the most recent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkga...nd_in_various/

From someone who didn't watch most of the material, they sold me with the setting & promotional video of the 2018 E3 trailer & I held out for reviews then pre-ordered the night before downloaded and rdy to go day 1.

But now reading something like that thread while in no way the same ball park it's Anthem all over again with the showcase of features & essentially sold a product with little to none of them making it into the final product. It's a more complete package than Anthem for sure no question about it but they may as well cancel any plans they had for an online version, as soon as people complete the story or have already got their refunds this is going to be forgotten about just like Anthem, they're still trying to fix that game I believe.

I've got to wonder now with all the pushbacks was that because of Covid-19 working situations or has it been going through major iterations late on, sure seems that way. It needed more time and them choosing to release in line with next gen consoles for Christmas has definitely bit them in the butt. Long way to recover for them now.

[Hobb]

Yes. 7 > 8. Good job.

Go back to kindergarten and learn basic math.

That's completely incorrect. CDPR's value was $8.1B US back in May.

After CDPR's failed launch of Cyberpunk 2077 it's value further dropped to $6.8 US. Last checked $7.5B > $6.8B.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...more-expensive

Edit:
Currency exchange is throwing the value off some so went to Bloomberg's site.

[Jtbrig7390]

Ah right. So now you're just talking out of your arse.

I'll take that as your concession.

How is he talking out of his ass.

CDPR doesn't own any of the IP's they have made. Witcher is based on a book series and Cyberpunk is based around the board game. Their stock has tanked 30% (if not more now) and their total value is no where near a company like Bethesda who owns a shit ton of ip's and studios.

- - - Updated - - -

Unironically Ubisoft

You mite want to look into that because no they don't and on top of that there is a lot of cases of sexual harassment or worse within Ubisoft.

[Thelyron]

Pretty much exactly as i expected, game is fun, but i feel that things are missing and unfinished, and everything is tinged by my saltiness about the fact that it should have been shadowrun.

[kaminaris]

So let me get this straight.
A company acts the bollox, and you blame consumers?

So let me get this straight, you still believe in empty promises? I guess that's why marketing bullshit and brainwashing still works.
Yes I blame naivety. If you believe it is amazing, it changes everything, again, then you deserve to be scammed.

Oh and by the way I have some emails from nigerian price that can make you rich, interested?

[StayTuned]

So let me get this straight, you still believe in empty promises? I guess that's why marketing bullshit and brainwashing still works.
Yes I blame naivety. If you believe it is amazing, it changes everything, again, then you deserve to be scammed.

Oh and by the way I have some emails from nigerian price that can make you rich, interested?

Comparing official product announcements of a billion dollar valued gaming company to Nigerian prince scam emails.

Are you loose or something? That's not even apples and oranges anymore.

[segara82]

Some people have forgotten just how buggy Witcher 3 was at first. CP2077 makes fun of it, amongst others with a Roach-sticker on your car. But they kept at it, patches and bugfixes, and DLC that made Witcher 3 the lauded game that it is today. I expect CP2077 to get the same treatment, with new questlines and districts coming in the next year to keep us further entertained.

So, yeah, it could have been better.
But it will get better, that i am certain of.

[Ringthane]

You should never believe in any company promises and only judge stuff once its out.

I really think that's what people are doing. No matter what was promised, if the finished product is crap, then it's crap.

Look at Bioshock Infinite - another game where there was so much stuff that never made it into the final product. But the final game was enjoyable and was not a buggy piece of junk. It's not so much that people are upset with not getting what they thought they were getting - it's that what they got is such a heap of crap.

- - - Updated - - -

Some people have forgotten just how buggy Witcher 3 was at first. CP2077 makes fun of it, amongst others with a Roach-sticker on your car. But they kept at it, patches and bugfixes, and DLC that made Witcher 3 the lauded game that it is today. I expect CP2077 to get the same treatment, with new questlines and districts coming in the next year to keep us further entertained.

So, yeah, it could have been better.
But it will get better, that i am certain of.

But how many times can the same company go back to that well? Why should anyone buy their games at launch if they're all going to be buggy and unplayable until a future date? Why should I keep buying a product if every time the company that makes it puts out junk and says "Just wait until we fix it and it will be awesome!"?

[Thelyron]

Like every other company out there promising stuff and not delivering. At this point it is just naive to believe in marketing.
How many games were suppose to revolutionize industry or innovate shit and then turned out to be empty promises or crap?

You should never believe in any company promises and only judge stuff once its out.

So let me get this straight, you still believe in empty promises? I guess that's why marketing bullshit and brainwashing still works.
Yes I blame naivety. If you believe it is amazing, it changes everything, again, then you deserve to be scammed.

Oh and by the way I have some emails from nigerian price that can make you rich, interested?

No, we should absolutely believe what a company promises. And then, if it turns out they lied, and that they can't keep up the promises, they should go to jail. False advertising should be cracked down on and punished very harshly.