Cyberpunk 2077

[Zenfoldor]

Wow, my comments of the game being untouchable after the initial review barrage aged like milk. I'll be the first to admit, I never saw the PS4/XBO issues coming. I am not playing on those consoles, but it is nearly impossible to argue that this game now doesn't have a gigantic cloud hanging over it. Hopefully they get it completed soon.

[Tech614]

It's not going to be that bad. It has been a costly disaster but not one that is even threatening for a second to bankrupt them or anything to that degree. Realistically what is going to happen is they are going to focus on patching the game, leading up to the official next gen editions of the game and the first DLC. If they are smart, it will be a sizable DLC they release 100% free, and it better be pretty damn good.

It's not going to bankrupt them but it sure as hell is going to make independent investors less likely to work with them in the future meaning they might have to take a publishing deal and report to another AAA publisher for their next release instead of being in charge of it. If of course they want to make games on this scale in the future, without outside help they will need to scale back down to smaller scale projects.

[Xilurm]

It's not going to be that bad. It has been a costly disaster but not one that is even threatening for a second to bankrupt them or anything to that degree. Realistically what is going to happen is they are going to focus on patching the game, leading up to the official next gen editions of the game and the first DLC. If they are smart, it will be a sizable DLC they release 100% free, and it better be pretty damn good.

Exactly. People are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, the ps4/xbox one version are really bad. They are going to be fixed.

Remember when Bethesda died with Fallout 76? People are going to be all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI.

Remember when Bioware died with ME:Andromeda and Anthem? People are going to be (already are) all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing the next Mass Effect.

So yeah.

[Cringefest]

Exactly. People are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, the ps4/xbox one version are really bad. They are going to be fixed.

Remember when Bethesda died with Fallout 76? People are going to be all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI.

Remember when Bioware died with ME:Andromeda and Anthem? People are going to be (already are) all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing the next Mass Effect.

So yeah.

Comparing Bethesda to CDProjekt is absurd. They're two completely different companies in terms of size. Bethesda can afford to lose stuff. CDPR... not really.

[minteK917]

Comparing Bethesda to CDProjekt is absurd. They're two completely different companies in terms of size. Bethesda can afford to lose stuff. CDPR... not really.

Actually cdpr are now bigger then ubisoft.

[Frozenbeef]

Even on max graphics 1440p, no dsl...they look ugh... like it looks like something from dcuo..maybe even worse :S

[Cringefest]

Actually cdpr are now bigger then ubisoft.

Are you sure? I'm not an expert but the numbers I'm looking at seem to be telling a different story.

Edit: you're right I was looking at the wrong place.

[Nehezbegar]

Even on max graphics 1440p, no dsl...they look ugh... like it looks like something from dcuo..maybe even worse :S

You must go check Your eyes then xD

[Polyxo]

Exactly. People are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, the ps4/xbox one version are really bad. They are going to be fixed.

Remember when Bethesda died with Fallout 76? People are going to be all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI.

Remember when Bioware died with ME:Andromeda and Anthem? People are going to be (already are) all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing the next Mass Effect.

So yeah.

I mean, looking at their perfection of the Witcher series from the first one to Witcher 3, the first one was really rudimentary and odd to play, and their design slowly perfected itself. I wonder if we'll see a similar progression if we see Cyberpunk 2078 and Cyberpunk 2079 or whatever.

The only thing that I think is genuinely bad, and not really up to par in terms of implementation outside of bugs is the driving. It, along with the traffic, feels really rudimentary, without much going into it. Cars don't really react well to traffic obstructions, you can feel the polygons in the road as you go over hills and stuff. Cars turning feels a bit odd too. I don't REALLY mind it, because I mostly just use cars as a faster way to get from one point to the other and still look around at the city, but if we see sequels to Cyberpunk 2077, I want them to put work into improving that side of things singificantly.

[jackofwind]

You must go check Your eyes then xD

Looks pretty bad to me tbh, like halflife 2 graphics quality.

[Edge-]

Not hating on the game at all for this, it's first person so they didn't really need to spend time making sure that the full-body animations all fit.

Amusing to see what appear to be some of the same tricks used with Crysis 2 when it comes to body morphing when crouching/looking down. Just an interesting little video.

[bloodkin]

If they can even recover from this.

They have no other big games in the works, There is no telling how long it will take to fix it and even if they do they have killed the trust of the gaming community. Ubisoft,EA and so on can fuck up because they more than one iron in the fire, CDPR had only Cyberpunk.

Wouldn't be surprised if this tanks them so hard one of the bigger company's buys them up.

It's a big problem for them as of now, as I'd think that sales for Gwent weren't anything special and the rest of their lineup doesn't do much.

However, it doesn't mean this has to tank them, with a pit of patience, they could pull off a no man's sky and turn Cyberpunk around, as you said it's the biggest thing they've got, so the better get their shit together and fix this or loose the whole 'we aren't as scummy as EA' shtick.

I've played the game for about 5 hours now (on a mid/low range system) and it's decent for me, but I did anticipate the bugs and crashes. I only had one flying+sitting guy in the road (nomad start) and had some crashes with the first braindance sequence. My biggest gripe is the poor optimization. It should could be a but smoother and easier to run than it does now. The funniest thing to me is that this game could actually run better than RDR2 does on my system, it just needs some work in that department. As some people have compared the game to rockstar games such as GTAV or RDR2, I do think that this game COULD be better (but isn't as of yet), if they also fixed the AI, at least the CDPR lancher works good and is't the smoking shitfest that is the rockstar launcher.

[Xilurm]

I mean, looking at their perfection of the Witcher series from the first one to Witcher 3, the first one was really rudimentary and odd to play, and their design slowly perfected itself. I wonder if we'll see a similar progression if we see Cyberpunk 2078 and Cyberpunk 2079 or whatever.

The only thing that I think is genuinely bad, and not really up to par in terms of implementation outside of bugs is the driving. It, along with the traffic, feels really rudimentary, without much going into it. Cars don't really react well to traffic obstructions, you can feel the polygons in the road as you go over hills and stuff. Cars turning feels a bit odd too. I don't REALLY mind it, because I mostly just use cars as a faster way to get from one point to the other and still look around at the city, but if we see sequels to Cyberpunk 2077, I want them to put work into improving that side of things singificantly.

I don't know but I'm pretty sure a while back they said that when developement for Cyberpunk 2077 is complete, they will start working on the next Witcher game. Obviously they won't after what just happened but the next game will be a Witcher game regardless.

[infinitemeridian]

all i can say is i hope this opens up their eyes and they become better.

CDPR is finished. The gaming community though? They'll never learn.

[bloodkin]

Exactly. People are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, the ps4/xbox one version are really bad. They are going to be fixed.

Remember when Bethesda died with Fallout 76? People are going to be all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI.

Remember when Bioware died with ME:Andromeda and Anthem? People are going to be (already are) all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing the next Mass Effect.

So yeah.

Going to disagree on the part of Bioware. Sure, it technically exists as a company, but it's now part of EA. Meaning that if EA decides that it's done playing with them, it gets tossed in the bin. Currently, I don't think anyone at EA is happy with the disaster of ME:A (I enjoyed the game, but it's launch was just as bad as that of Cyberpunk) or the empty promises for Anthem (which currently has almost nothing but meaningless grinds after the main story). If the next game flops, EA could decide it's done shoveling money into an empty pit. I honestly don't want that to happen, as they made some of the best games I have played, but they've also lost a lot of faith from the communities. ME:A was promised to be some next gen wonder game, same with Anthem and but fell short of those promises by a significant margin. There's just too much of a pattern with these supposed 'next revolutionary game that's going to change gaming forever' were the hype -->subsequent total disappointment and buggy launch kills the game, or puts in directly on life support. ME:A was dropped immediately after launch (EA probably didn't want to salvage that) and Anthem has been bleeding players waiting for any form of an update, which might never come. The only game I can think of that crawled out of the pit of failure is no man's sky ('m out of the loop of fallout 76, last time I heard it was still a dumpster fire but could've recovered?).

[Hobb]

Might of already been posted, but Microsoft and Best Buy are now offering full refunds for Cyberpunk 2077.

https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-an...-2077-refunds/

Edit:
Also CDPR has clarified their earlier post about emailing them if you're having trouble getting a refund. Stating they will refund you personally for physical and digital copies if you can not obtain a refund.

We’ve just started reaching out to people who sent us a message with a confirmation of receipt. We send these emails out in waves, so don’t worry if you don’t receive an answer immediately,” CDPR writes in its new statement, issued via the official Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account on Friday afternoon. “At the same time, we’d like you to know that our intention is for every owner of a physical copy, or a digital copy bought at retail, who has valid proof of purchase (and sends us an email at helpmerefund@cdprojektred.com within the time window) to receive a refund. We will do this out of our own pocket if necessary.”

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/...d-ps4-xbox-one

[Bennett]

Then request a refund and jump on hate bandwagon. Because thats what you are suppose to do? You had good time? Irrelevant, OTHER people have issues so it touches you in bad way.

I don't understand what your point is here - the devs are objectively at fault and shold be challenged - even if I personally like the game

A product is only worth what the consumer base as a whole says - not just the individual

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Yes, nobody cares whether you cheat in a singleplayer game.

Let's just add an ability to one shot all enemies - who cares it's a single player game


That's a bad excuse - just because it's single player it's fine to have extremely obvious and game breaking exploits like that? Turning on console commands or mods to cheat is one thing - exploiting something the game allows you to do is just bad design on their part

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Not hating on the game at all for this, it's first person so they didn't really need to spend time making sure that the full-body animations all fit.

Amusing to see what appear to be some of the same tricks used with Crysis 2 when it comes to body morphing when crouching/looking down. Just an interesting little video.

Makes you appreciate the actual difficulty of making games like fallout that allow first and third person shooting

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Even on max graphics 1440p, no dsl...they look ugh... like it looks like something from dcuo..maybe even worse :S

Obviously this is very cherry picked - you've chosen a very boring scene during the day which is not the game's aesthetic strength

That said - the game has exceptional character models on important NPC's - but aside from that it's not a ground breaking game graphically

[Edge-]

Makes you appreciate the actual difficulty of making games like fallout that allow first and third person shooting

Kinda sorta. This is more just them not needing to bother with making the part of the body you can't see look good because...they don't have to. It's not as if it's some incredible feat of animation or engineering, but why waste the time on it if the player's never going to see it? I hate to use "cutting corners" because it has a negative connotation, but this was a smart use of resources on their part. Given the state of the rest of the game (at least on console), I wouldn't have wanted them spending time on this anyways.

[Tech614]

Exactly. People are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, the ps4/xbox one version are really bad. They are going to be fixed.

Remember when Bethesda died with Fallout 76? People are going to be all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI.

Remember when Bioware died with ME:Andromeda and Anthem? People are going to be (already are) all over their dick when they go full steam ahead with marketing the next Mass Effect.

So yeah.

Bethesda and EA release games at a far more often rate then once every 4 years. They can afford busts. This won't bankrupt CDPR but you're kidding yourself if you don't think this is massively impacting their bottom line. Just look at their stock tanking.

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Actually cdpr are now bigger then ubisoft.

You might want to look at current stock and rethink your comment. They passed Ubisoft in May, their stock since the launch of 2077 has absolutely tanked and they are back well below Ubisoft in market value now.

Ubisoft also has far more dev studios, far more employees and release multiple games a year. CDPR has all their eggs in a single basket, they can survive as a company just off GOG but that would mean massive dev layoffs and they wouldn't exactly be the same company.

[Fkiolaris]

I don't know but I'm pretty sure a while back they said that when developement for Cyberpunk 2077 is complete, they will start working on the next Witcher game. Obviously they won't after what just happened but the next game will be a Witcher game regardless.

Finishing development for them probably does not mean the release though, you could see that with Witcher 3 and this game where the proper development started after they were done with patching Witcher 3 into shape to be GOTY-level. Also, the next game is at present the Cyberpunk 2077 multiplayer game, which is a standalone. Obviously, if the single-player tanks hard or causes enough damage, they might reconsider.

Anyway, on the game itself, I played a few more hours and the game still runs fine on a mid-level PC and I am thoroughly enjoying it so far, especially the random events and side-missions. One thing that so far seems expensive to pursuit is the upgrade system. I am breaking down everything I don't need and doesn't give much money and I just don't have enough to upgrade low-level items that are iconic for example, into a useful level for me. I imagine the costs will be trimmed at some stage, otherwise you will just pick a couple of items and get those upgraded only (unless high-level items give a ton of mats).