Why are the orcs and draenei still at war?

[Deleted]

Not anything set in stone, though I'm sure it'd have been done behind the scenes of dictated lore.

I'd say it just didn't happen because the orcs really don't care.

[The Madgod]

which is a real show of character if you ask me.

What, that the orcs blame themselves for making a rather literal deal with the devil, despite the circumstances which led the devil to them? I'd agree. Warcraft orcs are one of the better races in the world. They're so deliciously complex, yet still "simple".

I'd say it just didn't happen because the orcs really don't care.

Bollocks. The orcs definitely care, at least the older ones do. You'd have to ignore a good deal of lore in order to say that they didn't care about slaughtering hundreds while under the sway of demons.

[Sky High]

What, that the orcs blame themselves for making a rather literal deal with the devil, despite the circumstances which led the devil to them? I'd agree. Warcraft orcs are one of the better races in the world. They're so deliciously complex, yet still "simple".

thats' what I'm sayin braj.

[Rhywolver]

World of Warcraft is not Earth. The orcs are not Germany. The draenei are not only big on demon hate, including much of anything that's been tainted by it, but have also formed alliances with an organization which is at war with the Horde.

The orcs are not Germany.

Just had to quote that. The orcs from LoTR were said to be Tolkiens way to deal with his expierences from WW1. He never admited it, but his words were „We were all orcs in the Great War“.

On topic: The can't have all the races become peaceful to each other. This is still a game about a faction war, with some extraordinary, temporary alliances here and there. I don't even remember an orc and a draenei beeing friends in any of all the factions, but I could be wrong here.

[Deleted]

Bollocks. The orcs definitely care, at least the older ones do. You'd have to ignore a good deal of lore in order to say that they didn't care about slaughtering hundreds while under the sway of demons.

But they don't care about calming the waves between them and the Draenei.

[Xarkan]

So, orcs and draenei use to prance around Draenor picking flowers until the demons came and corrupted the orcs forcing them to genocide draenei so now that the orcs have their minds back they are still at war.

I mean, Germany had their last genocide about 70 years ago and they're now allies with all of their targets. And the Germans weren't even corrupted by intergalactic demons. >.<

To answer your question

People keep mentioning that about germans and comparing germans to and holding germans accountable for that blight in their past. And it has been that many years. It is doubtful people will ever let them [be] forgive[n] i guess.

For the wow deal it has been less since the orcs left their demon infused blood lust behind.

Also for your own safety do not ever say to an orc that they were prancing around Draenor picking flowers, it would not end well

[Puck]

The orcs paved a road using the bones of innocent women and children. Of course the Draenei are still pissed.

[Sky High]

But they don't care about calming the waves between them and the Draenei.

why should they if they have joined their sworn enemy of the day? follow me here but i see Draenei paladins on the beaches in Krarasang attacking horde troops under the alliance banner. what message is that gonna send? there is a little give and take here if you want to reach peace.

[The Madgod]

But they don't care about calming the waves between them and the Draenei.

That's mainly due to the younger generation. They're brash and bold (which is partly why Garrosh became so popular) and think the old foolish to live in the past (though really it's just remembering the mistakes of the past). Basically any orc who was a warrior during and prior to the second war is more penitent and would be more willing to calm the waves. It is the younger generation who think it is all too far in the past to really matter.

It's not like the draenei are doing much to champion peace between the two groups either. Out of the two I would say the orcs are the most "in the wrong", but it's hardly black-and-white, as I assume you think.

[Deleted]

why should they if they have joined their sworn enemy of the day? follow me here but i see Draenei paladins on the beaches in Krarasang attacking horde troops under the alliance banner. there is a little give and take here if you want to reach peace.

That is happenening 6 years after they crashlanded on Azeroth. And they allied with the Alliance before they ever knew the orcs were even on Azeroth and that they were at war with them. They allied with them because the Alliance was there to help them when they landed.

The thing here is that you can't say the Draenei should forgive the orcs, if the orcs have never shown them in the slightest that they regretted their actions.

[GennGreymane]

because they are my friends and I hate orcs

on a serious note...... that road in hellfire

and why saurfang does not eat port.... yes he admits he does bad things, but did the draenei ever get vindication or justice against him?

we humans did a shit job of making them serve for their crimes. they should have listened to me.

[The Madgod]

That is happenening 6 years after they crashlanded on Azeroth. And they allied with the Alliance before they ever knew the orcs were even on Azeroth and that they were at war with them. They allied with them because the Alliance was there to help them when they landed.

The thing here is that you can't say the Draenei should forgive the orcs, if the orcs have never shown them in the slightest that they regretted their actions.

I see an obvious bias here, which confirms my suspicions. Have a good time, then.

I don't like discussing lore with people who refuse to see everything associated with it, for good or bad.

[Deleted]

It's not like the draenei are doing much to champion peace between the two groups either. Out of the two I would say the orcs are the most "in the wrong", but it's hardly black-and-white, as I assume you think.

Well if you're the one side that was slaughtered for no reason, you can kind of understand that the Draenei don't greet the orcs with open arms. The orcs are the most "in the wrong"? Excuse me, but what have the Draenei ever done to deserve the mass-slaugther that happened on Draenor?

[GennGreymane]

That is happenening 6 years after they crashlanded on Azeroth. And they allied with the Alliance before they ever knew the orcs were even on Azeroth and that they were at war with them. They allied with them because the Alliance was there to help them when they landed.

The thing here is that you can't say the Draenei should forgive the orcs, if the orcs have never shown them in the slightest that they regretted their actions.

saurfang wont eat pork, because when they kill the boars the screams mind him of when he killed draenei children
the closest you get to them regretting what they did

[Deleted]

I see an obvious bias here, which confirms my suspicions. Have a good time, then.

What bias?

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saurfang wont eat pork, because when they kill the boars the screams mind him of when he killed draenei children
the closest you get to them regretting what they did

I don't doubt that there are orcs who regret what they did. But as long as they never show that in some form to the Draenei, and try to make amends, the Draenei won't know and you can't expect them to forgive the orcs.

[Jawless Jones]

I'd say it just didn't happen because the orcs really don't care.

I'd say it just didn't happen

I'd say

I'd

thats your opinion, and its a subjective one at that

[Deleted]

thats your opinion, and its a subjective one at that

Thanks, Sherlock.

[Jawless Jones]

saurfang wont eat pork, because when they kill the boars the screams mind him of when he killed draenei children
the closest you get to them regretting what they did

i guess you havent seen the rest of the conversation between him and garrosh...

talk about pick and choosing select parts of a quote...

[Sky High]

That is happenening 6 years after they crashlanded on Azeroth. And they allied with the Alliance before they ever knew the orcs were even on Azeroth and that they were at war with them. They allied with them because the Alliance was there to help them when they landed.

The thing here is that you can't say the Draenei should forgive the orcs, if the orcs have never shown them in the slightest that they regretted their actions.

so outland and the Draenei with the alliance there didn't mean anything? and no they came to azeroth with the intended purpose of joining the alliance. they knew they were at odds with the orcs from the get go. and I'm not saying they should forgive the orcs for anything. but if they want to mend the fence joining the side that at it's core is against the orcs is not a step in the right direction. i know all too well the orcs are to blame for what happened, but why should they try to reach peace with the Draenei when they stand with the alliance?

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i guess you havent seen the rest of the conversation between him and garrosh...

talk about pick and choosing select parts of a quote...

this is genn greymane we are talking about here: treat him as if he's your not so sane uncle.

[Deleted]

Maybe I can give a more simple example. Let's say you kill someone and the family of that person finds out it was you. Of course they hate you. Now after a couple of years you start to regret what you've done. But you never actually tell them that. Can you expect them to forgive you?