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  1. #1841
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Really? Men don't make any choices that lead to having a child?

    Are men just really stupid?
    So you're saying that everyone who has sex (even with protection) are making a conscious choice to have a kid?

    No, they're doing something with a vanishingly small risk of impregnation, which can be cancelled by the woman.

    Just like when I jump in my car I'm not making a choice to have myself killed.

  2. #1842
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    But you basically think the same thing?
    That females in many animal kingdoms choose mates based on bright colors, strength, fighting ability? Do you disagree with what I said? If you can really warp what I am saying to somehow think I hate women, then you must agree that a certain someone in this thread is a full fledged man hater.

  3. #1843
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    That females in many animal kingdoms choose mates based on bright colors, strength, fighting ability? Do you disagree with what I said? If you can really warp what I am saying to somehow think I hate women, then you must agree that a certain someone in this thread is a full fledged man hater.
    What the fuck do peacocks have to do with his comment?

  4. #1844
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    What the fuck do peacocks have to do with his comment?
    You now just asked what I thought, why are you now cursing at me about his comment?

  5. #1845
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    You now just asked what I thought, why are you now cursing at me about his comment?
    His comment was about women. You're babbling about the rest of the animal kingdom. Usually, when someone says, "I wouldn't have said it that way", it means that they had the same idea, but think it was framed poorly. Do you agree with his statement, but just dislike the phrasing?

  6. #1846
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    His comment was about women. You're babbling about the rest of the animal kingdom. Usually, when someone says, "I wouldn't have said it that way", it means that they had the same idea, but think it was framed poorly. Do you agree with his statement, but just dislike the phrasing?
    You asked me what I thought and I shared it. If this is the question you meant, say it next time.

    I have no idea what he really meant. I just felt like that was what he was referring to in an over and under exaggerating way. No, I do not think women are birthing machines, and I think child birthing is one of the hardest things a human can go through.

    Again, if you think I have a hidden dislike for women, you cannot then disagree that SOMEONE in this thread is a raging man hater.

  7. #1847
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Well, that's one way to shrug off plain misogyny - just say he doesn't really mean it.


    This woman explains it 1000 times better then i ever could, im just a dumb man after all. It starts at 12:22.
    Last edited by Cybran; 2013-01-21 at 09:59 PM.

  8. #1848
    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    So you're saying that everyone who has sex (even with protection) are making a conscious choice to have a kid?

    No, they're doing something with a vanishingly small risk of impregnation, which can be cancelled by the woman.

    Just like when I jump in my car I'm not making a choice to have myself killed.
    They're choosing to partake in an activity they know can result in a pregnancy and child. You can't just declare you don't want to deal with consequences you know were a possibility of an activity you elected to partake in.

  9. #1849
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post


    This woman explains it 1000 times better then i ever could, im just a dumb man after all. It starts at 12:22.
    Thats such a harsh video. I have seen it before, and its not popular at all with the hardcore feminists of youtube.

    Yeah, she does seem to articulate and form sentences better than you...

    Off topic, I like her speaking voice.

  10. #1850
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Really? Men don't make any choices that lead to having a child?

    Are men just really stupid?
    Did you read what I was replying to? She was talking about women suffering when they get an abortion or give birth. Guess they shouldn't have gotten pregnant. You seem to be fond of that particular piece of advice.

  11. #1851
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayp View Post
    No it doesnt. Its more worriyng then just cheating.
    For example a guy cheats, knocks up a girl, has baby, his current partner finds out, and leaves him problem solved.
    Women cheats, gets pregnant, has baby, lies to current partner its his, now has him or his financial support for 18years even if he leaves her.

    This is not about the petty argument of cheating. This is if such a high % of women would lie about these major things (if the survey is true). Which is much more serious because if the guy doesnt get a dna test, he is fucked for 18years. weigh it up.

    Funny thing is that it would probably be cheaper for the male to set up an assasination than pay the child support here in Sweden as well.


    (just saying)

  12. #1852
    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    Funny thing is that it would probably be cheaper for the male to set up an assasination than pay the child support here in Sweden as well.


    (just saying)
    Someone from sweden said that there were a few cases of beating women for asking for child support, murdering women and that he had sex when he was 13... Da fuck Sweden?

  13. #1853
    Quote Originally Posted by DisposableHero View Post
    Did you read what I was replying to? She was talking about women suffering when they get an abortion or give birth. Guess they shouldn't have gotten pregnant. You seem to be fond of that particular piece of advice.
    And you said that the difference between that and men having to pay child support is "They're not suffering because of their own choices."

  14. #1854
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Someone from sweden said that there were a few cases of beating women for asking for child support, murdering women and that he had sex when he was 13... Da fuck Sweden?
    Not sure what's happening over here imo, but we have our priorities wrong, in this case too much socialism can be bad.

  15. #1855
    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    Not sure what's happening over here imo, but we have our priorities wrong, in this case too much socialism can be bad.
    How the hell does that even relate to socialism?
    It's like saying goats eating being fed rhododendron is socialism's fault. :S

  16. #1856
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    that he had sex when he was 13... Da fuck Sweden?
    she*

    and that would be me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    Not sure what's happening over here imo, but we have our priorities wrong, in this case too much socialism can be bad.
    Has nothing to do with socialism, it's got to do with the police being unable to protect women from abusive men. Even if they've left them they can still find them and hurt them.
    Last edited by mmoc506e44f6eb; 2013-01-21 at 11:07 PM.

  17. #1857
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post


    This woman explains it 1000 times better then i ever could, im just a dumb man after all. It starts at 12:22.
    Well I guess I am a raging man hater on here but that video is crap.

    If you look at history women have always been disposable when compare to men because we could not carry on the family name or business. And if we look at womb as making women women have value then what of women who cannot bare children? Do they not have value? That whole way of thinking makes women valuable not as a person but as a reproductive tool. I will agree with what was said about marriage/fatherhood and how that is shown in the media. There are not many strong male examples in the media you either get the whorish alpha male, the I am just happy to find a woman that wants to sleep with me male, or damaged goods beware.

    As for male identity the times have changed and with it a lot things that encompassed male identity have become neutral, the provider, the protector and etc are not roles that women take up as well. The trade off with that is now men can take on roles as the nurturer, the comforter, and etc but some men are unwilling to embrace this traditionally female roles. Women have moved on from the traditional roles they were forced to take for so long and yes that has come at the cost of the "male identity" because the male identity was built around that of the female identity.

    blah....I am not going to write a wall of text about this.

  18. #1858
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    she*

    and that would be me.



    Has nothing to do with socialism, it's got to do with the police being unable to protect women from abusive men. Even if they've left them they can still find them and hurt them.
    .... And the other way around.
    I had sex when I was eleven. I was coerced by a 13 year old girl. Not you, Tiili!
    But please don't forget that the problem isn't that the police is unable to protect women from abusive men. The police is unable to protect people from abusive people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebildays View Post
    If you look at history women have always been disposable when compare to men because we could not carry on the family name or business. And if we look at womb as making women women have value then what of women who cannot bare children? Do they not have value? That whole way of thinking makes women valuable not as a person but as a reproductive tool. I will agree with what was said about marriage/fatherhood and how that is shown in the media. There are not many strong male examples in the media you either get the whorish alpha male, the I am just happy to find a woman that wants to sleep with me male, or damaged goods beware.

    As for male identity the times have changed and with it a lot things that encompassed male identity have become neutral, the provider, the protector and etc are not roles that women take up as well. The trade off with that is now men can take on roles as the nurturer, the comforter, and etc but some men are unwilling to embrace this traditionally female roles. Women have moved on from the traditional roles they were forced to take for so long and yes that has come at the cost of the "male identity" because the male identity was built around that of the female identity.
    Does the phrase 'women and children first' ring a bell? Or the fact that crimes against women were, historically, always rated as much more atrocious than crimes against men?
    I'm not saying that women were treated fairly in the past six thousand years. I'm not saying they were treated better either. I'm just saying that, at least on this one, you're wrong.

  19. #1859
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    .... And the other way around.
    I had sex when I was eleven. I was coerced by a 13 year old girl. Not you, Tiili!
    And did you report that to the police?

    But please don't forget that the problem isn't that the police is unable to protect women from abusive men. The police is unable to protect people from abusive people.
    Depends on how you look at it. If a woman has got a kid with an abusive man and she gets a protected identity the man still somehow has the right to see the kid. It's a major flaw in the system. Through the kid he can find out where the woman lives = major fuck up from the state. It got a woman murdered in Malmö not too long ago.

    But yes, it applies to abusive people in general aswell.

  20. #1860
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    And did you report that to the police?
    I was eleven. I didn't even realize it was an option. Besides, boys don't cry, right?


    Depends on how you look at it. If a woman has got a kid with an abusive man and she gets a protected identity the man still somehow has the right to see the kid. It's a major flaw in the system. Through the kid he can find out where the woman lives = major fuck up from the state. It got a woman murdered in Malmö not too long ago.

    But yes, it applies to abusive people in general aswell.
    And this goes the other way as well... An abusive woman can track her ex through the children as well.

    Domestic abuse towards males is only recently getting more attention... And it's such a big problem here that the police has taken to putting up posters all over the place, notifying males that are domestically abused by their spouses to seek help from the law.
    Yet I'm not going to insinuate that only males are the target of domestic violence. Because that would be rubbish. I do expect the same courtesy from others.

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