Obama Exercises Executive Actions

[Arganis]

regardless...anyone can take his spot...its just a bad taste in the mouth because at face value it makes it seem like his life and his families lives are more important than yours or mine.

Cause they are. Wake up and smell the roses. Think every life is equal? Think again. Equality is an illusion, the only thing humans are all equal in is death.

[Faroth]

Haven't been a big fan of a lot of Obama's policies, but I actually don't have a problem with these. I like that they are focused on background checks for gun purchases and mental health more than "RAWR, RESTRICT GUNS!"

[Seranthor]

This isn't. But stay tuned, it's the sequel.

Polls and the political moment show that the time the sharply reduce and limit gun ownership in this country has come.

When you think about it this entire argument is insane.

So it seems you are bent out of shape because he DIDNT ban guns, is that it?

[Endus]

Hearsay wasn't used to obtain a warrant.

"In Illinois v. Gates, probable cause was achieved for the warrant under the new "totality-of-the-circumstances" standard because the investigation by DEA and Detective Mader would have, on its own, been probable cause for a search warrant. The Gateses' actions were suspicious because Florida is a known source of illegal drugs. Lance Gateses' stay at a motel for one night and immediate return to Chicago suggests that he was not going for a vacation and also implies that he might be involved in something illegal. The Court, after having heard oral argument, furthermore requested in November 1982 that the parties and amici submit briefs on the broader issue of whether the exclusionary rule should be modified. When the opinion in Gates was rendered, however, the Court declined to rule on the issue, stating that the issue was "not pressed or passed upon below"[2] and that the exclusionary rule had become too difficult as an issue of great public importance to have been re-examined at the time."

I even bolded the important shit, and italicized the REALLY important shit for you.

You're just proving that warrants are dead easy to get, which was the original point. "Yeah, this guy went to Florida for only one day, search his car and house for drugs."

There are plenty of other cases where hearsay was sufficient.
Probable cause exists when an officer has either personal knowledge or trustworthy Hearsay from an informant or witness.
Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar–Spinelli test.
Information used to establish probable cause need not be admissible in court: E.g., "hearsay," or even "double hearsay."

You're wrong. And it's very clear you haven't done even a modicum of research on the subject, since there's plenty of other sources out there which say the same thing.

Yes, cops will need a warrant to search for illegal guns. No, such a warrant won't be all that hard for them to get if they have any kind of evidence that you've got them.

[Seranthor]

he forgot point #24....where we regulate the media to make the shooters celebrities

all you see on tv anymore is shooting here murder here rapeist here break in here hostage there

bowling for columbine was a good movie he went to canada they have so many less murders and stuff and almost as many guns...theyre media reports on the good stuff

also listen to this it sums up americas attention pritty well for news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hii17sjSwfA

What? Canada has almost as many guns, almost as many guns as where?

[Tinykong]

Because it's not like the children of the President of the United States are at any kind of risk due to their father's position or anything.

And other kids aren't at risk? The idea of some international plot to kidnap the first family like a hollywood movie is more far fetched than a parent kidnapping their kid because they lost custody. That is a lot more likely to happen, but, who cares about poor people in America.

[vaeevictiss]

So we should just let him be assassinated.

Great plan there sparky, lets put you in charge of the Secret Service.

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^ Did not actually read the EOs.

great job creating the red herring there

[Templar 331]

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2003_spr/cook.htm

http://today.duke.edu/2000/09/brady901.html

Unless I'm missing something, that law doesn't have anything to do with assault weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H...Prevention_Act

[Priestiality]

You're just proving that warrants are dead easy to get, which was the original point. "Yeah, this guy went to Florida for only one day, search his car and house for drugs."

There are plenty of other cases where hearsay was sufficient.
Probable cause exists when an officer has either personal knowledge or trustworthy Hearsay from an informant or witness.
Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar–Spinelli test.
Information used to establish probable cause need not be admissible in court: E.g., "hearsay," or even "double hearsay."

You're wrong. And it's very clear you haven't done even a modicum of research on the subject, since there's plenty of other sources out there which say the same thing.

Yes, cops will need a warrant to search for illegal guns. No, such a warrant won't be all that hard for them to get if they have any kind of evidence that you've got them.

So wait, first you say "well Gates V. Illinois voided Aguilar-Spinelli" and now you're linking to shit about Aguilar-Spinelli. Uh and I'm pretty sure asking police to leave my property and them complying is reason enough. As I pointed out, actual police work takes place in between hearsay and warrant.

In May 1978, the Bloomingdale, Illinois Police Department received an anonymous letter. The letter stated, "This letter is to inform you that you have a couple in your town who strictly make their living on selling drugs. They are Sue and Lance Gates, who live on Greenway, off Bloomingdale Rd. in the condominiums. Most of their buys are done in Florida. Sue, his wife, drives their car to Florida, where she leaves it to be loaded up with drugs, then Lance flies down and drives it back. Sue flies back after she drops the car off in Florida. May 3 she is driving down there again and the car back he has the trunk loaded with over $100,000.00 in drugs. Presently they have over $100,000.00 worth of drugs in their basement. They brag about the fact they never have to work, and make their entire living on pushers. I guarantee, if you watch them carefully you will make a big catch. They are friends with some big drug dealers who visit their house often."


Detective Mader decided to follow up on the tip, obtaining further information that an "L. Gates" had purchased an airline ticket leaving from Chicago's O'Hare Airport and arriving in West Palm Beach, Florida. Working with the DEA, Mader was able to ascertain that Gates had boarded the plane and arrived in West Palm Beach. The DEA surveillance team determined that Gates had met a woman at a Holiday Inn room registered to Susan Gates and that the couple had gotten into a car together driving toward the Chicago area. They estimated the pair due back in Bloomingdale within 22 to 24 hours.

Mader signed an affidavit laying down the events as they had unfolded, in addition to the anonymous letter. A judge of the Circuit Court of DuPage County issued a warrant. Upon the Gateses' arrival home, the Bloomingdale Police searched the car, recovering over 350 lb. of marijuana. A search of the Gateses' residence led to the discovery of additional marijuana and weapons.

Again, important shit is bolded. Now, back to my previous point: In Illinois v. Gates, probable cause was achieved for the warrant under the new "totality-of-the-circumstances" standard because the investigation by DEA and Detective Mader would have, on its own, been probable cause for a search warrant.

This rejected the Aguilar–Spinelli test and put in place a totality-of-the-circumstances standard. This was put into place because the court recognized that there was more evidence that the Gateses were involved in drug trafficking than just the letter standing alone. The court agreed that if the letter had just stood alone it would not be probable cause to get a warrant

[Mormolyce]

Cars started as a method to get from point A to point B faster, now we have NASCAR...I'd vote for a ban on that. The internet was invented as a way for medical centers to share information and help the world, now it's a bunch of psychos and porn...

The internet was started with ARPANET, which was designed for communication, particularly between powerful research computers at major US universities. Though it was not intended to be completely limited to that one application.

This is a really silly comparison anyway.

[Seranthor]

Conservatives:



Meanwhile, back in the real world...

God, why are people so quick to jump down Obama's throat? It's like the Republican party is driven by fear, hatred, and paranoia to push political agendas. Oh wait...

Aleros, I'm looking at these with an open mind, however, you appear to continue your attacks on the right, Why is that? If I was to go after Obama for ANYthing he did today I'd go after him for using those kids as props and exploiting them, but I haven't... I'm still reading the Executive Orders and mulling over the ramifications. Thus, I've no reason to attack, demonize, belittle, denigrate or otherwise verbally abuse anyone, unlike you.

I guess you finished reading them and have returned to your attack mode. Jolly good show.

[Mormolyce]

And other kids aren't at risk? The idea of some international plot to kidnap the first family like a hollywood movie is more far fetched than a parent kidnapping their kid because they lost custody. That is a lot more likely to happen, but, who cares about poor people in America.

So you can't see any reason at all why it might be sensible to provide protection to the family of the President of the US? They're no more in danger of kidnapping attempts or attacks by zealots or lunatics than any other kids in the country? Don't you feel kind of silly while typing that?

[Landin55]

Huzzah America is finally leaning to leaving third-world gun regulations!

[Venant]

And other kids aren't at risk? The idea of some international plot to kidnap the first family like a hollywood movie is more far fetched than a parent kidnapping their kid because they lost custody. That is a lot more likely to happen, but, who cares about poor people in America.

So what are you suggesting, we should disband the secret service because clearly it is a crazy idea that anyone would try to harm the president or his family?

[ScottsdaleHokie]

Unless I'm missing something, that law doesn't have anything to do with assault weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H...Prevention_Act

Yeah, I was thinking of the wrong Act. Trying to find something on the AWB, but damned near impossible to find something that isn't from a biased source.

[Seranthor]

Actually strictly speaking, the House Republican Majority represents 2.5 million fewer Americans than the Democratic Minority due to redistricting.

The Right is a distinct and declining minority in this country because "Colin Powell" Republicans like myself have abandoned the Republican Party for greener pastures.

I somehow doubt that the General would support your positions, so to compare yourself to him is a flat dishonest attempt to justify your positions. But, you are welcome to try and liken yourself to Gov Dean, I'm sure he needs more folks to follow him.

[Sky High]

What I've concluded from this thread is that the constitutionality is irrelevant as long as they are fighting for your side.

being that there is no action that can be considered unconstitutional, your point is invalid.

[Seranthor]

So wait, you're all in agreement then?
Excellent! I guess all this debate was completely unnecessary.

Actually, you might want to check out what the NRA Pres said not less than a couple weeks ago about putting officers in the schools... and the left went complete batshit over it. Today Obama came out with putting them in the schools. I'm waiting for the left to call him batshit crazy too.

[ptwonline]

Actually, you might want to check out what the NRA Pres said not less than a couple weeks ago about putting officers in the schools... and the left went complete batshit over it. Today Obama came out with putting them in the schools. I'm waiting for the left to call him batshit crazy too.

The NRA also suggested things like VOLUNTEERS because they also don't want more taxes to pay for it or the dreaded police state. That's really what sent people--if you'll pardon the expression--ballistic.

[Landin55]

And other kids aren't at risk? The idea of some international plot to kidnap the first family like a hollywood movie is more far fetched than a parent kidnapping their kid because they lost custody. That is a lot more likely to happen, but, who cares about poor people in America.

But a president being shot in a moving car during a parade isn't? If anything Obama is gonna have to up the security (especially for his kids who the republicans decided to involve.)