[Spoilers] Ra-den: Titan or Titanic Creation?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

cho says he tore the heart of the "mogu god", and that the titans fell silent for generations before the mogu went deranged.

"you stopped telling us what to do? than F U bitch, we don't need you anymore." *takes heart*

Yeah and that Mogu God is most likely Ra'den. Considering the model and how it's bleeding well there you go. He's not an actual Titan.

[Donald Hellscream]

it doesn't seem plausible to me that Ra-den is a titan, he was beaten by a mogu, a very strong mogu but nothing godly about him. Even with an army of mogu Lei shen wouldn't be able to beat a titan as in all likelyhood the titan could just squash the mogu and be done with it. i am certain Ra-den is more along the lines of the keepers of ulduar, maybe even Algalon, even using dirty tricks im certain the mogu wouldn't be able to defeat a titan.

[Deleted]

He'd have to be a small Titan if he can fit inside Mogu'shan Vaults... just sayin.

[Ryme]

He cannot be a titan, Lei Shen could not hope to capture a Titan, it's stupid to even entertain the idea that he could.

[RyanEX]

Here's a thoery.

Ra-den IS a titan. He's the titan that everyone's say's Fell in battle with an old god. However, like C'thun, he didn't die. He simply needed to recover his power. That is what the other titans created the Vale for. To help him recover while they go about their business on other worlds. When the titans fell silent Lei Shen went into MSV to find out what was going on and found Ra-den's slumbering or barely conscious body.

Be it for whatever reason, maybe he was already being corrupted or maybe just a flaw in him, Lei Shen took advantage of the situation and stole Ra-den's heart(let's be honest, we know it's not likely going to be an actual heart). With his newly gained powers her became the Thunder King and had Ra-den transferred to ToT to power his generator or whatever. And being away from the Vale has caused his weakend body to slowly fall prey to the curse of flesh

[Chickat]

I dont think hes a titan. Have to go to work more later.

[crazymack]

The missing Keeper from Ulduar is called Tyr.

ah yes that's right...

[Grocalis]

He is not a Titan. He is basically the Mogu'shan Vaults version of Thorim.

[Edlarel]

I really like this theory. Until we hear otherwise, I think this could be the most plausible of answers.

Here's a thoery.

Ra-den IS a titan. He's the titan that everyone's say's Fell in battle with an old god. However, like C'thun, he didn't die. He simply needed to recover his power. That is what the other titans created the Vale for. To help him recover while they go about their business on other worlds. When the titans fell silent Lei Shen went into MSV to find out what was going on and found Ra-den's slumbering or barely conscious body.

Be it for whatever reason, maybe he was already being corrupted or maybe just a flaw in him, Lei Shen took advantage of the situation and stole Ra-den's heart(let's be honest, we know it's not likely going to be an actual heart). With his newly gained powers her became the Thunder King and had Ra-den transferred to ToT to power his generator or whatever. And being away from the Vale has caused his weakend body to slowly fall prey to the curse of flesh

[Deleted]

I really like this theory. Until we hear otherwise, I think this could be the most plausible of answers.

Meh, plausible but I doubt it.

[Drilnos]

Yeah and that Mogu God is most likely Ra'den. Considering the model and how it's bleeding well there you go. He's not an actual Titan.

Stone constructs and robots don't bleed.

[Cairm]

Algalon is a titanic watcher, who's now watching over Azeroth after his defeat in Ulduar. He came on Azeroth because a fail-safe system popped up on his iPhone, when we killed Loken.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Algalon_the_Observer[COLOR="red"]

Thanks, but that is something i know. I was more implying the theme that seem recurent with Ulduar, and the fact that it might just be a sentence formulation that leads some of you to think much more then you should over a dungeon journal description.

[Deleted]

Here's my 2 cents.

If you listened to Lorewalker Cho's audio, he explain that Mogu, much like Tol'vir and other beings were created by the titans to fight the old Gods and their minions (in that case, Y'Shraaj and the Mantid) and once the Old Gods have been defeated and locked away, the titans left and their creations fell to the Curse of Flesh, so did the Mogu.

THan he explain how Lei Shen became known as the Thunder King and tells that he riped out the heart of a "mogu god". Seeing as how Ra-Den has a huge opening inside his chest, he was the so called mogu god, from which Thunder King took his power.

[DeLos]

Ask yourself:
Do you really think Blizzard would introduce a Titan without a major build up?
With Blizzard's philosophy of everyone experiencing the story (see LFR) do you really think they would put a major lore event, that confronting a titan would be, as a hard mode only boss?

Nice thought, but there is no way he is a Titan.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Stone constructs and robots don't bleed.

They don't but that didn't stop this guy from bleeding. Of things can be fleshified why not a construct?(I don't consider Flesh a bad thing but this Curse of Flesh crap annoys me to hell)

[Drilnos]

Ask yourself:
Do you really think Blizzard would introduce a Titan without a major build up?
With Blizzard's philosophy of everyone experiencing the story (see LFR) do you really think they would put a major lore event, that confronting a titan would be, as a hard mode only boss?

Nice thought, but there is no way he is a Titan.

On the other hand, does anyone really think they'd put a Titan in LFR?

They don't but that didn't stop this guy from bleeding. Of things can be fleshified why not a construct?(I don't consider Flesh a bad thing but this Curse of Flesh crap annoys me to hell)

So now we're discussing two things we've never seen in-game before. A Titan, or a Titanic construct that's in the process of being reverse fossilized from the inside out. Or something else entirely. Personally I think it's simpler to assume he always had a gooey center.

[Totle]

He's most probably a keeper/watcher like the bosses from Ulduar and Loken.

[DeLos]

On the other hand, does anyone really think they'd put a Titan in LFR?

Short answer: Yes.

If we ever do fight a Titan it will be a major part of lore. And, if it is done in a raid, it WILL be in LFR. Blizz will want everyone to have a part in the story. That was the whole point of LFR, everyone gets to experience the content.

Also, there will be a great deal of build up and prep. It wont be, 'oh, you did hard modes and now you get to kill a Titan.'

[Drilnos]

Short answer: Yes.

If we ever do fight a Titan it will be a major part of lore. And, if it is done in a raid, it WILL be in LFR. Blizz will want everyone to have a part in the story. That was the whole point of LFR, everyone gets to experience the content.

Also, there will be a great deal of build up and prep. It wont be, 'oh, you did hard modes and now you get to kill a Titan.'

Let's think about it another way. Maybe meeting this particular Titan isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, when in the next expansion we could be up to our eyeballs in them?

After all, if they are going to do another Legion expansion, pretty much the only way they could do one bigger than TBC is to plop us in the middle of a Legion-Titan war.

[Ragedaug]

As far as I know, a Titan would not be a keeper. So the likelihood is that this "Titan Keeper" is a keeper designated by the titans, versus a titan who is a keeper.